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Thanks Prof for the supplement idea for the above.  However, I ran the numbers and no way it compares to consuming spinach (or arugula).  Check out the math here and let me know what you guys thinK

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Best_High_Nitrate_Supplement.aspx
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I tested the Nature's Way Veggie Blend capsules this morning.  I took 4 of them mixed in with my smoothie (my normal smoothie does not move the Berkeley Test Strips at all from depleted).  My reading before the smoothie plus capsules was depleted.  My readings 1 and 2 hours later were depleted with absolutely no change whatsoever in the color.
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*Cured my intermittent ED which started at ~35 years old by adding in nitrate-containing foods DAILY (arugula, beets, romaine, spinach) and drinking occasional POM juice. Interestingly, I have seen no changes in cholesterol/LDL/HDL or any other typical blood parameters.

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I tested the Nature's Way Veggie Blend capsules this morning.  I took 4 of them mixed in with my smoothie (my normal smoothie does not move the Berkeley Test Strips at all from depleted).  My reading before the smoothie plus capsules was depleted.  My readings 1 and 2 hours later were depleted with absolutely no change whatsoever in the color.

You'd have to take the entire bottle to get 30 mg of nitrates according to my calculations.
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From the paper the calculations are different...

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Each capsule of this supplement contains 900 mg desiccated vegetable product, and label recommendations suggest a daily intake of 2 capsules daily,
which equates to >500 mg nitrate and 0.2 mg nitrite per day

So the 4 capsules I took should've yielded about 1000mg of nitrate.  Unfortunately, it just ended up giving me a large stomach pain throughout the day yesterday (probably the garlic or wheat grass in the formula) and didn't ever show up on the Berkeley Test Strips.  Theoretically, these veggie capsules should be a good option for nitrate consumption but I wasn't able to prove it.

Can anyone add their experience with this supplement and the Berkeley Test strips?
Age 38
5'8" 145lbs

*Cured my intermittent ED which started at ~35 years old by adding in nitrate-containing foods DAILY (arugula, beets, romaine, spinach) and drinking occasional POM juice. Interestingly, I have seen no changes in cholesterol/LDL/HDL or any other typical blood parameters.

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From the paper the calculations are different...

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Each capsule of this supplement contains 900 mg desiccated vegetable product, and label recommendations suggest a daily intake of 2 capsules daily,
which equates to >500 mg nitrate and 0.2 mg nitrite per day

So the 4 capsules I took should've yielded about 1000mg of nitrate.  Unfortunately, it just ended up giving me a large stomach pain throughout the day yesterday (probably the garlic or wheat grass in the formula) and didn't ever show up on the Berkeley Test Strips.  Theoretically, these veggie capsules should be a good option for nitrate consumption but I wasn't able to prove it.

Can anyone add their experience with this supplement and the Berkeley Test strips?

You're right!  Will modify the page.  Gonna order this asap and test.

Does this seem reasonable to have that much nitrate in two capsules?  It would have to be about 25% nitrate, right?  Or  a good percentage, right?
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No, it makes no sense whatsoever honestly.  Unless Nature's Way somehow concentrated the nitrates/nitrites in the dried vegetable products.  Most of the products in the formula are not even high nitrate foods.  It has to be a mistake in the paper.
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*Cured my intermittent ED which started at ~35 years old by adding in nitrate-containing foods DAILY (arugula, beets, romaine, spinach) and drinking occasional POM juice. Interestingly, I have seen no changes in cholesterol/LDL/HDL or any other typical blood parameters.

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No, it makes no sense whatsoever honestly.  Unless Nature's Way somehow concentrated the nitrates/nitrites in the dried vegetable products.  Most of the products in the formula are not even high nitrate foods.  It has to be a mistake in the paper.

EH:

Look at this:

http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~russ/MSDS/sodium_nitrate_crystal.htm

""Emergency Overview
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DANGER! STRONG OXIDIZER. CONTACT WITH OTHER MATERIAL MAY CAUSE FIRE. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. MAY CAUSE IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. ""

Every nitrate I have been reading about is indeed a strong oxidizer.  They even used sodium nitrate in gunpowders at one time.

And check this out on that same page:

"Ingestion:
May cause gastroenteritis and abdominal pains. Other symptoms may include dizziness, bloody diarrhea, convulsions, and collapse. Purging and diuresis can be expected. Small repeated doses may cause headache and mental impairment. Rare cases of nitrates being converted to the more toxic nitrites have been reported, mostly with infants.
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« Last Edit: May 09, 2016, 09:14:06 pm by PeakT »
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Check this out.  There would have been some nitrite in the capsules - not much but a little.  Look at what happens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjF5cDcMd0

And then look at what you get with nitrate of which there is a lot:  a bunch of nitric acid and salt!  Niether of those is going to make you feel too good.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110421133610AAGbPoe

Anyway, all of this makes me wonder if it really does have that much nitrate!
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Check this out.  There would have been some nitrite in the capsules - not much but a little.  Look at what happens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjF5cDcMd0

And then look at what you get with nitrate of which there is a lot:  a bunch of nitric acid and salt!  Niether of those is going to make you feel too good.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110421133610AAGbPoe

Anyway, all of this makes me wonder if it really does have that much nitrate!

Peak, Didn't you mention at one time that the spinache needs to be eaten and not included in a smoothie?

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Check this out.  There would have been some nitrite in the capsules - not much but a little.  Look at what happens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjF5cDcMd0

And then look at what you get with nitrate of which there is a lot:  a bunch of nitric acid and salt!  Niether of those is going to make you feel too good.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110421133610AAGbPoe

Anyway, all of this makes me wonder if it really does have that much nitrate!

Peak, Didn't you mention at one time that the spinache needs to be eaten and not included in a smoothie?

Well, a couple of us have felt we got a little better results by chewing it.  Factor5a said the opposite though, so do some experimentation on your own and let us know wha tyou find!
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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 09:37:21 am »
Yep, too good to be true. Thats the problem with most supplements.
Since I saw the stuff in a study I thought they check the true content of NO.
I ordered the stuff but hasnt arrive yet but aint going to take it.
I'll invest in spinach too. Popeye was right long time ago :)

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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 10:20:01 am »
Yep, too good to be true. Thats the problem with most supplements.
Since I saw the stuff in a study I thought they check the true content of NO.
I ordered the stuff but hasnt arrive yet but aint going to take it.
I'll invest in spinach too. Popeye was right long time ago :)

This is interesting stuff.  The reviews on Amazon are very good for such a weird product.  4.5*.
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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 04:39:57 pm »
My calcs are a bit different. From the paper the capsule is 900mg and has 27,890mg/100g.  since the capsule is 900mg there should be 27,890*.9/100=251 mg nitrates per capsule. The paper lists  spinach at 741mg/100g. 100g=3.5oz so approx 1/2 bag of spinach would give you 741mg . It seems spinach would be the better choice.

 I've tried 2 veg caps on an empty stomach in the morning along with 2 caps of NAD 1/2hr before workout and the addition of veg caps seemed to give me more workout energy in lifting weights. Don't know yet if it's just a placebo effect. NAD=nicotinamide riboside from HPN Niagen.


From the paper the calculations are different...

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Each capsule of this supplement contains 900 mg desiccated vegetable product, and label recommendations suggest a daily intake of 2 capsules daily,
which equates to >500 mg nitrate and 0.2 mg nitrite per day

So the 4 capsules I took should've yielded about 1000mg of nitrate.  Unfortunately, it just ended up giving me a large stomach pain throughout the day yesterday (probably the garlic or wheat grass in the formula) and didn't ever show up on the Berkeley Test Strips.  Theoretically, these veggie capsules should be a good option for nitrate consumption but I wasn't able to prove it.

Can anyone add their experience with this supplement and the Berkeley Test strips?
« Last Edit: May 10, 2016, 05:43:20 pm by mqsymth »

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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 05:05:46 pm »
If we convert the number into grams it makes the calculation easier...

27,890 mg = 27.890 g

27.890 g per 100 g of veggie capsule powder, that is 27.89%

27.89% of 900 mg (or 0.9g) is 251mg (0.251g) per capsule

Here is the calculation in algebraic terms...

27.890 g               X
_________  =  ________

100 g                 0.9 g

Any way you slice it, the numbers in the paper don't seem to make sense.  I think the real number is probably 25.1mg per capsule (as you said) and the scientists made a mistake in the paper by one decimal place.  Thus the real number per 100 g of veggie powder is probably 2,789mg and not 27,890mg.

So if that is the case, in order to get the same effect out of capsules that you get in a large amount of arugula/spinach/beets, you'd need to take at least 10 -20 capsules.  Like I said, they really caused me intense stomach pain so I'll pass on that, but if anyone wanted to try it, please let us know.
Age 38
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*Cured my intermittent ED which started at ~35 years old by adding in nitrate-containing foods DAILY (arugula, beets, romaine, spinach) and drinking occasional POM juice. Interestingly, I have seen no changes in cholesterol/LDL/HDL or any other typical blood parameters.

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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 05:11:46 pm »
Yes you are right.  Sorry I miscalculated but I've corrected above.

If we convert the number into grams it makes the calculation easier...

27,890 mg = 27.890 g

27.890 g per 100 g of veggie capsule powder, that is 27.89%

27.89% of 900 mg (or 0.9g) is 251mg (0.251g) per capsule

Here is the calculation in algebraic terms...

27.890 g               X
_________  =  ________

100 g                 0.9 g

Any way you slice it, the numbers in the paper don't seem to make sense.  I think the real number is probably 25.1mg per capsule (as you said) and the scientists made a mistake in the paper by one decimal place.  Thus the real number per 100 g of veggie powder is probably 2,789mg and not 27,890mg.

So if that is the case, in order to get the same effect out of capsules that you get in a large amount of arugula/spinach/beets, you'd need to take at least 10 -20 capsules.  Like I said, they really caused me intense stomach pain so I'll pass on that, but if anyone wanted to try it, please let us know.

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Re: Review of Nature's Way Garden Veggie Supplement for Nitrate Content
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 05:11:46 pm »