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Barry

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How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« on: October 10, 2016, 02:33:09 am »
My test was 260 im 28 trying to increase test with lifestyle changes such as 7-8 hours sleep every night and diet full of red meat chicken and lots of green veg.  It's been 3 weeks and I'm still not waking with morning wood I'm using this as the yardstick to measure as i believe morning wood is a sign of testosterone.  How long should i give it? 

I believe I've had low T since puberty so I'm doubtful this will work. Should also mention I'm taking minoxidil however my first blood test 18 months ago that showed low T was before I started taking it.  The only thing I've consistently done since puberty is stay up late and get little sleep. 
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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2016, 07:44:06 am »
What other tests have you had run? Are you dealing with primary or secondary hypogonadism? The answer to that question will determine what, if anything, lifestyle changes can correct. Your thyroid function? A testosterone test, in isolation, doesn't give sufficient information.
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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2016, 08:08:40 am »
Thanks for your reply iv had thyroid checked and was "in range" however in UK they only check t4 not the active t3 so you could have low conversion and low active hormone but normal or high t4  and still be given the all clear so I have no idea if thyroid is working.

Secondly or primary? No idea I've not been given a diagnosis for hypogonadism and no Dr will investigate it either because in the UK the "normal"  test range is 200-800 so even at 260 in my 20s im all fine and dandy according to the dr because I'm in range.  I have every single symptom of low T.   >:(

I have high blood pressure and cholesterol despite eating a sugar free diet of meat fruit and veg and exercise 5-8 hours a week.  High body fat despite only weighing 150Ib soaking wet all this and I'm told all is well
At this rate il be dead of heart disease by 40
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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2016, 08:23:48 am »
Unfortunatetly if your Test is starting at 260 it will take some time (assuming your body can still produce adequate test).

I have had great results with tongkat ali in the past combined with zinc.  That was the only natural combination that ever booster my Total test +200 and free test 50% and simultaneously lowered my estrogen.

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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2016, 09:08:12 am »
Which brand of tongkat worked for you?
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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2016, 02:35:31 pm »
Could it be easier to LOWER your T by 60 points so you qualify for treatments?
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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2016, 03:00:20 pm »
My test was 260 im 28 trying to increase test with lifestyle changes such as 7-8 hours sleep every night and diet full of red meat chicken and lots of green veg.  It's been 3 weeks and I'm still not waking with morning wood I'm using this as the yardstick to measure as i believe morning wood is a sign of testosterone.  How long should i give it? 

I believe I've had low T since puberty so I'm doubtful this will work. Should also mention I'm taking minoxidil however my first blood test 18 months ago that showed low T was before I started taking it.  The only thing I've consistently done since puberty is stay up late and get little sleep.

My personal experience is that sleeping longer almost restores morning erections the same night that you do it.  But I've read that to recover from a huge sleep deficit can take weeks to recover in other ways.

Have you read this page?

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/causes_of_low_testosterone.aspx
« Last Edit: October 10, 2016, 11:24:20 pm by PeakT »
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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2016, 10:33:29 pm »

Secondly or primary? No idea I've not been given a diagnosis for hypogonadism and no Dr will investigate it either because in the UK the "normal"  test range is 200-800 so even at 260 in my 20s im all fine and dandy according to the dr because I'm in range.  I have every single symptom of low T.   >:(



Really feel for you, a lot of us have been in similar positions, is there any way to bypass the NHS and go to a private provider? If you can you should do it.
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2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Andriol 160mg
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 

Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2016, 05:12:53 am »
I could go to a private clinic but it's really expensive 290 just for the initial consultation an I don't know how much continued treatment would be but il do it if I have to.  I've changed Dr and am going to see a different Dr il ask to see a male Dr too who may be more understanding of my issues. 

As a last resort if all else fails I'm going to buy testosterone from a steroid selling website and self medicate.  I literally have nothing to lose my testosterone is already at the same level as people who are hypo due to steroid abuse

I went on a bodybuilding fourm an there was a thread about post steroids and hypogonadism most guys were complaining of bieng at 300-400 after years of steroids im 260 and never used steroids so what harm could i possibly do. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2016, 07:14:00 am »
I could go to a private clinic but it's really expensive 290 just for the initial consultation an I don't know how much continued treatment would be but il do it if I have to.  I've changed Dr and am going to see a different Dr il ask to see a male Dr too who may be more understanding of my issues. 

As a last resort if all else fails I'm going to buy testosterone from a steroid selling website and self medicate.  I literally have nothing to lose my testosterone is already at the same level as people who are hypo due to steroid abuse

I went on a bodybuilding fourm an there was a thread about post steroids and hypogonadism most guys were complaining of bieng at 300-400 after years of steroids im 260 and never used steroids so what harm could i possibly do.

It is your body, your health, your choice. But you ask what harm you could do? If the gray/black market testosterone is adulterated, not at the advertised potency, you can shut down what natural production your body is capable of but not raise your levels. That is a miserable scenario. It may not happen, but it is a risk you run.

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2016, 09:21:37 am »
I could go to a private clinic but it's really expensive 290 just for the initial consultation an I don't know how much continued treatment would be but il do it if I have to.  I've changed Dr and am going to see a different Dr il ask to see a male Dr too who may be more understanding of my issues. 

As a last resort if all else fails I'm going to buy testosterone from a steroid selling website and self medicate.  I literally have nothing to lose my testosterone is already at the same level as people who are hypo due to steroid abuse

I went on a bodybuilding fourm an there was a thread about post steroids and hypogonadism most guys were complaining of bieng at 300-400 after years of steroids im 260 and never used steroids so what harm could i possibly do.

We have had other U.K. men have troubles find knowledgeable and understanding physicians in the U.S.  Check out this page as some of them had very definite ideas about how to improve that experience.  (See the U.K. links.)

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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2016, 01:50:54 am »
Regardless if is secondary ,
change your habits.
What are your habits like(lifestyle, deodorants used,supps,food etc etc)
Naturally will take time though.In the end it is worth it.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2016, 08:14:32 am »
I'm doing my best to get min 7 hours sleep and aiming for 8 eating red meat 3 times a week and chicken, lamb and fish getting carbs from potatoes. Eating plenty of fat mostly from meat 30% of daily kcal is fat plus eating broccoli with every meal.

 limited sugar intake zero fizzy drinks though caffeine intake in the form of tea. Zero chocolate cakes or microwave meals. Active lifestyle with at least 3-4 hours exercise a week cycle to work 5 days a week 10 mile round trip. Used to take zinc but stopped.  Might consider tongkat need to know a quality brand? heard some are dodgy an full of mercury??

My lifestyle has always been fairly good with the exception of sleep its the only variable that's been consistently poor my whole adult life.

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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2016, 08:22:22 am »
My test was 260 im 28 trying to increase test with lifestyle changes such as 7-8 hours sleep every night and diet full of red meat chicken and lots of green veg.  It's been 3 weeks and I'm still not waking with morning wood I'm using this as the yardstick to measure as i believe morning wood is a sign of testosterone.  How long should i give it? 

I believe I've had low T since puberty so I'm doubtful this will work. Should also mention I'm taking minoxidil however my first blood test 18 months ago that showed low T was before I started taking it.  The only thing I've consistently done since puberty is stay up late and get little sleep.
lotta red meat. which means lots of HCAs, right?
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BeefnEggs.aspx
Every male needs to take an aggressive approach to protect himself from prostate cancer. If you've grown up in a Western society, then you have spent decades eating beef (especially) and other meats cooked at high temperatures.  That delicious black residue on your meat is filled with various cancer causing agents such as HCA's (heterocyclic amines) that head straight for your prostate. (The typical fast food burger, that we literally live and die for, is loaded with the stuff.)Many aspects of the Western lifestyle increase risk for prostate cancer and current lifetime estimates are 16%. [36]

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Prostate.aspx

what's your bodyfat percentage?


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Re: How Long to Increase Testosterone Via Lifestyle Changes?
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2016, 09:36:59 am »
so what harm could i possibly do.

I have profound sympathy for anyone who wants to self-treat when they are genuinely low T and can't get help from their doctors.

That said, you can hurt yourself self-treating.  Here are  just a few examples:

a) Driving your hematocrit too high (increased risk of stroke, heart attack)

b) Driving your estradiol too high (imo increased risk of prostate cancer and BPH) or too low if you self-treat with an AI (osteoporosis, increased heart attack risk)

c) Driving your blood pressure too high (increased risk of stroke and atherosclerosis)

It is possible for a well-educated man to do reasonably well at a TRT program and, to be frank, most doctors around the globe would probably do much worse as far as protocols.  However, one thing that almost all doctors will do is monitor hematocrit which could save your life.

One other thing:  are you concerned about fertility?
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And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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