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How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« on: October 23, 2016, 03:52:10 am »
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After doing a little bit of research I came to the conclusion that my sky high cholesterol levels must be the cause of my ill health, from what I read cholesterol has a causative effect on every issues I have. It serves as a precursor for the biosynthesis of steroid hormones so there must be a correlation here as all the values from my test are pretty high/elevated.

I elaborated the following plan :

Lifestyle :
- Exercise more (currently only do 25-30 minutes weightlifting every 2 days), and maybe add some cardio too?
- Take a sleep study (here in France if available), as it seems that bad sleep negatively impact cholesterol levels.
- No more fat, only the fat from lean cuts of chicken/turkey.

Supplements :
- Cholesterol lowering : Red Yeast Rice, Beta Sitosterol, Lingzhi/Reishi (good for liver too apparently), Fish Oil (Tryglicerides), soluble Fibers (Acacia), Pantethine
- Testosterone lowering : Pygeum, Beta Sitosterol, Lingzhi/Reishi, Vitex (very high doses)
- FSH lowering : Vitex
- SHGB lowering : Boron

Medication :
- Testosterone lowering : Sprironolactone (last resort)

I will also try to find a good Endocrinologist and I will take these tests this coming Wednesday :
A1C
DHT
PROGESTERONE
17-hydroxyprogesterone
PSA
PTH

Thank you for any input you may have [:
« Last Edit: October 23, 2016, 09:40:18 am by PeakT »

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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2016, 09:38:36 am »
Are you on any treatment? Your Testosterone is super high.

Hi, I'm confirming you I'm not on Testosterone or any other steroids, I find it super high too.

Those are some weird units.  Your cholesterol being high could mean a deficiency in a hormone, like thyroid or something else, as hormones use cholesterol for their synthesis. 

Cortisol is high.  Any chance you freak out when getting blood pulled?  If not you'd want to follow that up with a 4-point saliva test.

Oily skin is probably a function of too much DHT, which is created from testosterone, which is high so DHT is likely high.

The hormone deficiency causing high cholesterol is an interesting theory, thyroid values came back normal but it could be another thing I haven't tested.

Yes cortisol is high, I didn't freaked out more than usual during the blood collection (78 vials but the nurse was so good I didn't feel a thing), I'm constantly stressed out, I'm working on it but I can't help to think there is also a physical/biochemical/hormonal cause involved. Yes I was planning to do a cortisol 24h saliva test, I live in France so it's less available down here.

Yes that's what I thought about the oily skin, either DHT or cortisol, or both may be the cause. I was envisaging finasteride to treat the oily skin, hair loss, and prostate problems but I've been advised against it as the sides are too nasty D=

Thanks again and have an excellent day

The big movers in cholesterol are the following:

a) Saturated fat.  Don't believe what they tell you on the internet.  Drop your saturated fat to 1 gram or less per meal and your cholesterol will drop very significantly.  You don't need saturated fat for anything and it lower nitric oxide.

b) Hypothyroidism.

c) Being overweight.  Every pound overweight adds a point to your cholesterol.

d) Any of the production line hormones at the lower end of the range per Dr. Dzugan's work.  Dr. Dzugan found in his patients if estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, etc was low, cholesterol would ramp up to try to compensate.
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2016, 04:06:58 am »
The big movers in cholesterol are the following:

a) Saturated fat.  Don't believe what they tell you on the internet.  Drop your saturated fat to 1 gram or less per meal and your cholesterol will drop very significantly.  You don't need saturated fat for anything and it lower nitric oxide.

b) Hypothyroidism.

c) Being overweight.  Every pound overweight adds a point to your cholesterol.

d) Any of the production line hormones at the lower end of the range per Dr. Dzugan's work.  Dr. Dzugan found in his patients if estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, etc was low, cholesterol would ramp up to try to compensate.

Thank you so much for your answer [:

a) Well I used to believe it and I was using coconut oil to cook D=, I totally stopped but I'm eating about 400g of chicken/turkey breasts (w/o skin) per day, which makes approximately 2 grams saturated fats per meal, please let me know if I should my meat intake too? Didn't know about nitric oxide, very good info.

b) Thyroid test came back normal and I supplement with iodine and selenium, but I will keep an eye on it.

c) I'm 144lbs / 5'84", but I might be skinny fat D:

d) Most interesting, well all the mentioned hormones are in the normal range (elevated T) except for Progesterone that I will have tested on Wednesday. I will check out Dr. Dzugan's work, is it the same Dzugan from this study?   

Correction of steroidopenia as a new method of hypercholesterolemia treatment. : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21407165

Thanks again and have an excellent day [:


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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 06:58:00 am »
my cholesterol levels were always in the high range of normal, despite having a relatively healthy diet and not eating fast food as well as exercising.

first time i can remember them telling me that was when i was 17.. i am 32 now.

never made sense to me.

once i started thyroxine sodium, my cholesterol levels went down. i started clomid at the same time, so my testosterone also went up.

aside from fixing your hormones, obviously eating the right foods and exercising will do wonders.  minimizing your sugar intact is also important.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 01:42:15 pm »
The big movers in cholesterol are the following:

a) Saturated fat.  Don't believe what they tell you on the internet.  Drop your saturated fat to 1 gram or less per meal and your cholesterol will drop very significantly.  You don't need saturated fat for anything and it lower nitric oxide.

b) Hypothyroidism.

c) Being overweight.  Every pound overweight adds a point to your cholesterol.

d) Any of the production line hormones at the lower end of the range per Dr. Dzugan's work.  Dr. Dzugan found in his patients if estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, etc was low, cholesterol would ramp up to try to compensate.

Thank you so much for your answer [:

a) Well I used to believe it and I was using coconut oil to cook D=, I totally stopped but I'm eating about 400g of chicken/turkey breasts (w/o skin) per day, which makes approximately 2 grams saturated fats per meal, please let me know if I should my meat intake too? Didn't know about nitric oxide, very good info.

b) Thyroid test came back normal and I supplement with iodine and selenium, but I will keep an eye on it.

c) I'm 144lbs / 5'84", but I might be skinny fat D:

d) Most interesting, well all the mentioned hormones are in the normal range (elevated T) except for Progesterone that I will have tested on Wednesday. I will check out Dr. Dzugan's work, is it the same Dzugan from this study?   

Correction of steroidopenia as a new method of hypercholesterolemia treatment. : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21407165

Thanks again and have an excellent day [:

He has a couple of studies I believe on the subject, so you might poke around a bit more.
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2016, 09:27:50 am »
my cholesterol levels were always in the high range of normal, despite having a relatively healthy diet and not eating fast food as well as exercising.

first time i can remember them telling me that was when i was 17.. i am 32 now.

never made sense to me.

once i started thyroxine sodium, my cholesterol levels went down. i started clomid at the same time, so my testosterone also went up.

aside from fixing your hormones, obviously eating the right foods and exercising will do wonders.  minimizing your sugar intact is also important.

What you say about your cholesterol levels is very interesting, I've read a book called Biochemical Individuality written by Roger J. Williams, a renowned Biochemist, which demonstrates that "normal" levels of any markers can vary a lot from one person to another.

Yes I ordered some weights to exercise, carbs wise I eat around 170g per day (Veggies + 60g (uncooked) brown rice).
 
He has a couple of studies I believe on the subject, so you might poke around a bit more.

I will, I cut out all extra fats and I'm already feeling better.



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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2016, 11:19:15 am »
The big movers in cholesterol are the following:

a) Saturated fat.  Don't believe what they tell you on the internet.  Drop your saturated fat to 1 gram or less per meal and your cholesterol will drop very significantly.  You don't need saturated fat for anything and it lower nitric oxide.

b) Hypothyroidism.

c) Being overweight.  Every pound overweight adds a point to your cholesterol.

d) Any of the production line hormones at the lower end of the range per Dr. Dzugan's work.  Dr. Dzugan found in his patients if estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, etc was low, cholesterol would ramp up to try to compensate.

Thank you so much for your answer [:

a) Well I used to believe it and I was using coconut oil to cook D=, I totally stopped but I'm eating about 400g of chicken/turkey breasts (w/o skin) per day, which makes approximately 2 grams saturated fats per meal, please let me know if I should my meat intake too? Didn't know about nitric oxide, very good info.

b) Thyroid test came back normal and I supplement with iodine and selenium, but I will keep an eye on it.

c) I'm 144lbs / 5'84", but I might be skinny fat D:

d) Most interesting, well all the mentioned hormones are in the normal range (elevated T) except for Progesterone that I will have tested on Wednesday. I will check out Dr. Dzugan's work, is it the same Dzugan from this study?   

Correction of steroidopenia as a new method of hypercholesterolemia treatment. : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21407165

Thanks again and have an excellent day [:

You need TSH, free T3 and free T4 and ideally rT3 to test for hypothyroidism.  Did you doc this?  And were you in the lower part of the range on either free T3 or T4 or over 2.0 with TSH?

Btw, I encourage to go as highly plant-based as possible:  the fiber will help lower cholesterol as well and, of course, then you get all the nice nitric oxide boosting benefits as well.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2016, 12:40:27 pm »
The big movers in cholesterol are the following:

a) Saturated fat.  Don't believe what they tell you on the internet.  Drop your saturated fat to 1 gram or less per meal and your cholesterol will drop very significantly.  You don't need saturated fat for anything and it lower nitric oxide.

b) Hypothyroidism.

c) Being overweight.  Every pound overweight adds a point to your cholesterol.

d) Any of the production line hormones at the lower end of the range per Dr. Dzugan's work.  Dr. Dzugan found in his patients if estradiol, progesterone, testosterone, DHEA, etc was low, cholesterol would ramp up to try to compensate.

When I started losing weight, my cholesterol was about 235, with 185 LDL and 35 HDL (my triglycerides were always pretty good, and have gotten phenomenal -- in the 40s-50s -- so I will leave them out of this).

I lost 60 pounds and changed my diet a lot to exclude a lot of saturated fat, sugars, meats, and processed foods.  Not completely, but a lot better than what I had been doing.

Total cholesterol dropped to 185 or so -- which is actually about a point per pound lost.  LDL cholesterol dropped to 135 or so...  Still shitty, but a significant difference.  HDL dropped to 32, then clawed its way up to 40 over time.  Trigs were in the 40s at this time -- I was eating about as saintly as I ever had in my life.  I got within a sniff of being at ideal weight by BMI.

May I interject that at this point in my life, I pretty much want to punch everyone I meet who scarfs pizza in front of the TV every night and has great cholesterol.  They exist.  It's mostly genetics, and genetics is a class A bitch.

Anyway, in the end it took a statin to get my cholesterol safely within "normal", and at this point the damage has already been done (aortic stenosis, CAC of 156, and -- while things have improved with Clomid -- ominously weaker erections that are slower to rise and quicker to fall than they should be), at the age of 43.

My biggest mistake in life, it seems, was to not get my cholesterol checked in my 20s-30s.  For most guys that would probably be a minor mistake.  But for a few lucky ducks like myself...
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2016, 04:13:53 pm »
This is one of the pretty fascinating studies Peak is referring to by Dr Dzugan:

OBJECTIVE:
In 2002 we proposed a new hypothesis of the etiology and pathogenesis of hypercholesterolemia. There is paucity of information in the literature regarding the association of steroidopenia and hypercholesterolemia. Our goal is to determine if the treatment of steroidopenia with hormonorestorative therapy (HT) to youthful levels will normalize total cholesterol (TC) levels.

MATERIAL AND METHODS:
We retrospectively analyzed 43 hypercholesterolemic patients treated with HT. Laboratory workup included lipid profile, serum pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S), progesterone, total estrogen, cortisol, total testosterone, and vitamin D-3 levels at presentation with follow up ranging from 3 to 9 months. HT therapy included a combination of several agents such as pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), triestrogen, progesterone, testosterone, hydrocortisone, and vitamin D-3.

RESULTS:
HT lowered mean TC from 228.8 mg/dL to 183.7 mg/dL (19.7%) (p<0.05) in all patients. In 12 men of mean age 58, HT statistically significantly lowered TC from 227.9 mg/dL to 177.1 mg/dL (22.3%) (p<0.05). Apparently it did so mostly by lowering LDL and triglycerides (TRG) while HDL did not appreciably change. In 31women, mean age 57, TC declined from 229.2 mg/dL to 186.3 mg/dL (19%) (p<0.05). HDL, LDL, and TRG are also decreased to a statistically significant degree. These results were associated with statistically significant elevations in pregnenolone, DHEA Sulfate, testosterone, progesterone but not total estrogen, cortisol or vitamin D-3 changes in both men and women.

CONCLUSIONS:
We conclude that correction of steroidopenia with the use of hormonorestorative therapy is an effective strategy for normalizing and maintaining cholesterol homeostasis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21407165
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2016, 06:09:50 pm »
May I interject that at this point in my life, I pretty much want to punch everyone I meet who scarfs pizza in front of the TV every night and has great cholesterol.  They exist.  It's mostly genetics, and genetics is a class A bitch.

You're a riot dude!
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2016, 10:05:46 pm »
This is one of the pretty fascinating studies Peak is referring to by Dr Dzugan:

OBJECTIVE:
In 2002 we proposed a new hypothesis of the etiology and pathogenesis of hypercholesterolemia. There is paucity of information in the literature regarding the association of steroidopenia and hypercholesterolemia. Our goal is to determine if the treatment of steroidopenia with hormonorestorative therapy (HT) to youthful levels will normalize total cholesterol (TC) levels.

MATERIAL AND METHODS:
We retrospectively analyzed 43 hypercholesterolemic patients treated with HT. Laboratory workup included lipid profile, serum pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEA-S), progesterone, total estrogen, cortisol, total testosterone, and vitamin D-3 levels at presentation with follow up ranging from 3 to 9 months. HT therapy included a combination of several agents such as pregnenolone, dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), triestrogen, progesterone, testosterone, hydrocortisone, and vitamin D-3.

RESULTS:
HT lowered mean TC from 228.8 mg/dL to 183.7 mg/dL (19.7%) (p<0.05) in all patients. In 12 men of mean age 58, HT statistically significantly lowered TC from 227.9 mg/dL to 177.1 mg/dL (22.3%) (p<0.05). Apparently it did so mostly by lowering LDL and triglycerides (TRG) while HDL did not appreciably change. In 31women, mean age 57, TC declined from 229.2 mg/dL to 186.3 mg/dL (19%) (p<0.05). HDL, LDL, and TRG are also decreased to a statistically significant degree. These results were associated with statistically significant elevations in pregnenolone, DHEA Sulfate, testosterone, progesterone but not total estrogen, cortisol or vitamin D-3 changes in both men and women.

CONCLUSIONS:
We conclude that correction of steroidopenia with the use of hormonorestorative therapy is an effective strategy for normalizing and maintaining cholesterol homeostasis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21407165

Pretty fascinating?!  It's awesome research that simply does not get enough air time.  There are a couple of studies where testosterone dropped LDL but the studies are equivocal.  I think this ties back to Dzugan who is saying that you cannot just look at T by itself:  you have to look at the other hormones as well.
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 12:45:48 pm »
You need TSH, free T3 and free T4 and ideally rT3 to test for hypothyroidism.  Did you doc this?  And were you in the lower part of the range on either free T3 or T4 or over 2.0 with TSH?

Btw, I encourage to go as highly plant-based as possible:  the fiber will help lower cholesterol as well and, of course, then you get all the nice nitric oxide boosting benefits as well.

I only tested "T4L : 13.30 ng/l (7.00-14.80)" and "TSH : 1,900 mUI/l (0,350-4,940)", I will test T3 and rT3 (didn't know what it was until then) next time.

Yes that's what I thought about diet, I will lower my meat intake and increase my fiber intake, but how much carbs can I eat without impacting my blood glucose levels negatively? I will do a little bit of research about nitric oxide biological functions. Thanks

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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 04:52:10 pm »

There are a couple of studies where testosterone dropped LDL but the studies are equivocal.
 

Testosterone and Fuhrman's Nutritarian diet lowered my LDL by 40-ish points in 3 months.  Probably even faster than that, but 3 months is when I had the tests done. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2016, 07:10:30 pm »
but how much carbs can I eat without impacting my blood glucose levels negatively?
Everyone is different.  You have to measure A1C, fasting insulin/glucose and post-meal glucose surges.  All of these you can pull yourself here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_labs.aspx

Well, the post-meal glucose surges, you have to use a glucose meter from, say, Walmart.  They are now very cheap and quite easy to use.

I have lots of info here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Diabetes_Prediabetes.aspx

I will do a little bit of research about nitric oxide biological functions. Thanks
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Re: How Do You Lower Sky High Cholesterol Levels?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2016, 08:40:36 am »


Well, the post-meal glucose surges, you have to use a glucose meter from, say, Walmart.  They are now very cheap and quite easy to use.

Id be careful about what meter you get
my pregnant friend monitors her glucose and will take her  glucose  via left hand and then take it again with right hand and get 60pt range !

a1c seems best if you are diabetic

but this issue goes back to my thinking that SS cardio is better than HIIT cardio for keeping glucose down
 if you have high  a1c, cut down on carbs. just keep eating at least 50 carbs to prevent muscle being broken down

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/how-many-carbohydrates-do-you-need.html/
Early research into the topic of starvation and low-carbohydrate dieting found that as few as 15 grams of carbohydrates per day can limit nitrogen loss in the body. And raising carbohydrate intake to 50 grams per day severely limits the need for the body to use amino acids for gluoconeogenesis

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