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Testosterone Replacement, Libido and Aging Spouse, Menopause
« on: October 24, 2016, 05:49:40 am »
I've been on T replacement for 20+ years. I am 53, reasonably fit and generally very interested in sex. I do have my health issues and it's not uncommon for me to simply be exhausted at the end of the day, and crash. Even so, given proper timing (not waiting until 11PM when I'm so tired I can't see straight, for example) , sex could be a regular thing "if" ..... let's just say 2 willing (and affectionate) persons are required.

Menopause. It's an issue for the man in a typical aging relationship. I certainly did not know what to expect. More specifically, I did not understand that 2 out of 3 women completely and totally lose interest (starting around age 45-47) in sex and affection. Coupled with the fact that women physically change, dry out, and become internally fragile. Many can't have sex, post menopause. Unless modern medical science helps out.

I found myself in my early 40's, as horny as a 20 year old, with a unwilling and physically incapable partner. Not just for a short period of time, but for years. Folks, that's TOO SOON.

Yes, proper HRT works wonders for some women, and many report feeling younger with it's use. But HRT does not fully restore all (or even most) women to their former, younger, affectionate, "horny" selves, and, IMHO, at best, can be said to make sex possible, by increasing vaginal wall strength and lubrication.

I truly believe that many of the men here are not young, and with proper T replacement, will find themselves with a strong libido. Those of us who are faithfully married may also find great frustration. It's worth noting that T replacement affects a marriage/relationship, and it's worth considering all of the information carefully. From my end, I felt unwanted and used. I provide, work long hours, extra days, and receive no reward what so ever.

We can kid ourselves into thinking that most or even many, post menopausal women are still as affectionate and have a strong libido. Or we can accept the reality that most post menopausal women do not retain these aspects of personality or capability. And understand that T replacement (and Viagra etc) can cause unforseen issues with the man and his view of the relationship.

One can search for menopause and sex. Most of the "facts" have been watered down. Reality is rather harsh, 2 out of 3 lose drive, interest and ability.

https://www.menopause.org/for-women/sexual-health-menopause-online/sexual-problems-at-midlife/decreased-desire






« Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 01:22:28 pm by cujet »
53 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 200
Height 5' 10"
Very active, daily workouts and some cardio.
0.75g compounded 10% T cream, rotated daily to shaved armpits, shaved shoulders, remainder on scrotum
169Mg WPthyroid (same as old Armour formulation)
Perfect bloodwork labs (Mar 2017) , my T=702, TSH 0.5, other thyroid levels normal.


Daily workouts with weights, low-glycemic diet, high in clean protein, very low carb (salad/fish/low fat meats, uncooked veggies, nothing else, ever) Carbs/starch can cause me to have intestinal problems, so I avoid them.

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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 06:39:36 am »
I've been on T replacement for 20+ years. I am 53, reasonably fit and generally very interested in sex. I do have my health issues and it's not uncommon for me to simply be exhausted at the end of the day, and crash. Even so, given proper timing (not waiting until 11PM when I'm so tired I can't see straight, for example) , sex could be a regular thing "if" ..... let's just say 2 willing (and affectionate) persons are required.

Menopause. It's an issue for the man in a typical aging relationship. I certainly did not know what to expect. More specifically, I did not understand that 2 out of 3 women completely and totally lose interest in sex and affection. Coupled with the fact that women physically change, dry out, and become internally fragile. Many can't have sex, post menopause. Unless modern medical science helps out.

Here I am, as horny as a 20 year old, and finding myself with a unwilling and physically incapable partner. Not just for a short period of time, but for years.

Yes, proper HRT works wonders for women, and many report feeling younger with it's use. But HRT does not fully restore all (or even most) women to their former, younger, affectionate, "horny" selves, and at best, can be said to make sex possible, by increasing vaginal wall strength and lubrication.

I truly believe that many of the men here are not young, and with proper T replacement, will find themselves with a strong libido. Those of us who are faithfully married, and not young, will probably also find great frustration. It's worth noting that T replacement affects a marriage/relationship, and it's worth considering all of the information carefully. From my end, I felt unwanted and used. I provide, work long hours, extra days, and receive no reward what so ever.

We can kid ourselves into thinking that most or even many, post menopausal women are still as affectionate and have a strong libido. Or we can accept the reality that most post menopausal women do not retain these aspects of personality or capability. And understand that T replacement can cause unforseen issues with the man and his view of the relationship.

One can search for menopause and sex. Most of the "facts" have been watered down. Reality is rather harsh, 2 out of 3 lose drive, interest and ability.

https://www.menopause.org/for-women/sexual-health-menopause-online/sexual-problems-at-midlife/decreased-desire

Cujet - HRT for post-menopausal women can ABSOLUTELY restore libido and sexual function, but only if done correctly (just like for males). A common mistake is only replacing E + P (and at low doses and with synthetic hormones) - although this can help with vaginal dryness and painful intercourse, it typically does NOT do much in the way of libido and arousal. This is where TESTOSTERONE comes into play. Just as E + P decline for post-menopausal females, so do testosterone levels but unfortunately they are often ignored/neglected.

One of my favorite aspects of working in this field is when I treat both husband and wife and see the transformation of their marriage. I am not being boastful, but these treatments have literally saved dozens of marriages that were struggling for the exact reasons you mention.
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2016, 06:39:36 am »

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2016, 07:37:42 am »
But there's still the problem of persuading a female spouse that HRT would be good for her in various ways, and isn't just a ploy for the male get more sex. This is more difficult if she's become somewhat indifferent to this part of the relationship, and views it more as spousal duty than anything else. We're accumulating evidence in the form of good studies that HRT is good for hypogonadal males. Are there starting to be similar studies on females that aren't tainted by the use of synthetic hormones?
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2016, 07:58:15 am »
For the man starting to experience this, it's utterly confusing. As mentioned above, getting his spouse to try something, said to have risks, that she feels she has no need for......

Post menopausal Women often develop other interests, are perfectly content and happy to be free of mood swings, and, sadly, often unaffectionate.
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53 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 200
Height 5' 10"
Very active, daily workouts and some cardio.
0.75g compounded 10% T cream, rotated daily to shaved armpits, shaved shoulders, remainder on scrotum
169Mg WPthyroid (same as old Armour formulation)
Perfect bloodwork labs (Mar 2017) , my T=702, TSH 0.5, other thyroid levels normal.


Daily workouts with weights, low-glycemic diet, high in clean protein, very low carb (salad/fish/low fat meats, uncooked veggies, nothing else, ever) Carbs/starch can cause me to have intestinal problems, so I avoid them.

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2016, 02:09:14 pm »
For the man starting to experience this, it's utterly confusing. As mentioned above, getting his spouse to try something, said to have risks, that she feels she has no need for......

Post menopausal Women often develop other interests, are perfectly content and happy to be free of mood swings, and, sadly, unaffectionate

Cujet,

Ask her about it when you're in a cafe in Paris, maybe?  No, seriously, Dr. Saya is saying that he is seeing women willing to go that route, so you never know until you try, eh?
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2016, 02:40:51 pm »
Ask her about it when you're in a cafe in Paris, maybe?  No, seriously, Dr. Saya is saying that he is seeing women willing to go that route, so you never know until you try, eh?

That route already explored with E, P and T. Quite diligently too. While many claim it's a "fix", it is not the answer for everyone. There really is more to the situation than just a few hormones.

My reason for posting this was simply to be informative. Let's look at it over time:

In our younger years, we are sexually attracted to each other and active. However, we know many men complain about lack of sex after a child or two. And by our late 30's, we hear of many marriages devoid of regular sex. The large percentage of which are due to female lack of libido. But not always, as many of us here with low T know!

By middle age, sex starved marriages seem common, and true sexless marriages make up more than we are willing to admit. 25% of all marriages are technically sexless, and most of them are centered in the long term category. Not the newlyweds! Translation: Guys our age.



The reason this should be understood by middle aged men is that "IF" you have a less than ideal situation now, you will likely be in for a shock (and much regret) come menopause. HRT may not fix those women who really did not want sex in the first place. I'm not telling men to have a girl on the side, but I am saying to evaluate a situation accurately and to understand what the likely future holds. Understand that low T, ED and Fatigue can affect men to the point where the "good years" are simply gone. Understand that a woman withholding affection during those "Good Years" is the source of much unnecessary stress and regret.

In my line of work, I do notice what the true "alpha" males do, and they always go for sexy younger women. The reason is simple, these men want, and get, sex. And they are unwilling to play games to get it.



« Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 01:25:20 pm by cujet »
53 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 200
Height 5' 10"
Very active, daily workouts and some cardio.
0.75g compounded 10% T cream, rotated daily to shaved armpits, shaved shoulders, remainder on scrotum
169Mg WPthyroid (same as old Armour formulation)
Perfect bloodwork labs (Mar 2017) , my T=702, TSH 0.5, other thyroid levels normal.


Daily workouts with weights, low-glycemic diet, high in clean protein, very low carb (salad/fish/low fat meats, uncooked veggies, nothing else, ever) Carbs/starch can cause me to have intestinal problems, so I avoid them.

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2016, 03:13:31 pm »
Ask her about it when you're in a cafe in Paris, maybe?  No, seriously, Dr. Saya is saying that he is seeing women willing to go that route, so you never know until you try, eh?

The reason this should be understood by middle aged men is that "IF" you have a less than ideal situation now, you will likely be in for a shock (and much regret) come menopause. HRT may not fix those women who really did not want sex in the first place.


Agree. If that's the case, it would reflect a deeper issue with the partner herself and/or the marriage itself. Libido, ESPECIALLY for females, is a very complex phenomenon. If libido decline coincided with the timeline of hormonal decline - then there is a much greater likelihood that a well-designed HRT regimen will offer significant benefit in that area. If the libido decline PRECEEDED the hormonal decline in a meaningful way - well then there are "other" problems needing resolution.
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2016, 03:29:46 pm »
In my line of work, I do notice what the true "alpha" males do, and they always go for sexy younger women. The reason is simple, these men want, and get, sex. And they are unwilling to play games to get it.

Yep - huge issue.  I wish I had an easy answer for you.

And, on a philosophical note, it is going to be an ever growing issue as anti-aging matures.  Mentally, I feel much much younger than I am.  It's really an odd thing actually - a bit Phantom of the Opera-ish.

Anyway, where I was headed is that the health conscious crowd - and this is accelerated with HRT and other anti-aging strategies - really feel and act differently than most of their peers.  I think this social phenomenon will keep increasing. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2016, 05:47:52 pm »
cujet:

You and I have almost exactly the same situation.  I have been on TRT for 10 years. Here's my story and like yours is a constant frustration in my marriage.

My wife is 6 years older than I. She started having menopause symptoms in her late 40s. She also started gaining A LOT of weight and feeling tired around this time as well.  It took a lot of convincing over a couple of years to get her to see my TRT doctor who treats women also.  As I suspected, her hormones were in the tank and she was very hypothyroid. TRT doctor put her on Armour Thyroid and bio identical compounded E, P, and T creams. Over the last 5-6 years she has not consistently used the creams, though she does take the Armour religiously.

I have keep telling her to use the creams for at least 4-5 weeks, get blood work, see the doctor and make changes to get were she feels her best. And, to keep trying as it may take some time to get things adjusted right. But she just doesn't apply the creams consistently enough to get blood work <sigh>.

Our sex life the last 5-6 years is practically none. We go months without intimacy, and she has no libido whatsoever. Before menopause she was assertive and passionate about having intimacy. Now, nothing.  I have talked to her about this many times over the last 5-6 years, but no change.  I even told her that people who live in the same house, pay the bills but don't have intimacy are called roommates.  And that is exactly where our marriage has been heading.  Sex is part of marriage and if there is no sex, it is no longer a marriage (serious illness or injury being an exception). 

I exercise, eat right (whole foods) and take care of myself to try to be and feel my best. I am 51, weigh 200lbs with a 30in waist.  I believe both spouses should take care of themselves to some degree, its part of making your marriage first and working on the marriage. It is frustrating when one spouse just doesn't seem to care.

As you can tell, like you, I am sexually frustrated in my marriage.  I believe in being faithful but this cannot go on much longer.   Thanks guys for letting me vent  :(

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2016, 06:32:43 pm »
A big issue for anyone - male or female - are that lowered hormone levels lead to lower neurotransmitter levels.  There's just no motivation in that place.  How many of us on here had no motivation to go to the gym when we were low testosterone but, afterward, were gym rats or road rats or whatever?  It's just so difficult to get the person to a healthy enough place to where they care about things.  Low hormones (often) = just existing = just coasting. 

The above may not be the case with your wives but just pointing out that I sure don't know the answer to that one.  It's just a common human issue...
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2016, 09:12:37 pm »
Right on PeakT.  When my testosterone was in the 200s, I had little motivation, but I still went to the gym and kept to a healthy whole foods diet.  What I noticed was that I would come home from work, eat dinner then fall asleep on the couch. I just happen to talk to my dad about it, and he said I had low T because the same thing happened to him.  I didn't know he was on TRT at the time.  I saw his Urologist and sure enough my T was in the low 200s.  After starting TRT, I quit the job I no longer enjoyed, found a better one and went back to school to finish my degree.

I do understand since I was in similar shape, and trying to understand where my wife is at. What frustrates me is there is no effort on her part to get better which affects our marriage in other ways besides the lack of intimacy. I don't think there really is an answer when someone is not motivated and just coasting.



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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2016, 09:22:06 pm »
Cujet/az4stringer:

There was another thread that mentioned the Michelle Weiner-Davis Ted talk and book - The Sex Starved Marriage. You may find it helpful.

I know it doesn't help but I feel your pain. Cujet, everything you said are the same things I've been feeling. Almost like I wrote it. As my T levels have normalized my need for intimacy or even just physical touch has become a constant. You ask yourself what is wrong with me, does she not love me anymore etc. I keep thinking I don't want to live the rest of my life this way and I'm only 51. Don't want to wake up 20 years from now with regrets.

One thing that I'm sure is an issue for my wife is having had a hysterectomy and having her ovaries removed. She had endometriosis and elected to removed the ovaries. She isn't on hormone replacement because of all the controversy surrounding whether it helps or causes more problems. Got to think that has had a huge impact on her drive and other things.

Wish there was an easy or clear path.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2016, 10:14:50 pm »
Right on PeakT.  When my testosterone was in the 200s, I had little motivation, but I still went to the gym and kept to a healthy whole foods diet.  What I noticed was that I would come home from work, eat dinner then fall asleep on the couch. I just happen to talk to my dad about it, and he said I had low T because the same thing happened to him.  I didn't know he was on TRT at the time.  I saw his Urologist and sure enough my T was in the low 200s.  After starting TRT, I quit the job I no longer enjoyed, found a better one and went back to school to finish my degree.

I do understand since I was in similar shape, and trying to understand where my wife is at. What frustrates me is there is no effort on her part to get better which affects our marriage in other ways besides the lack of intimacy. I don't think there really is an answer when someone is not motivated and just coasting.

Yeah, this is much more than just a TRT problem of course.  What do you do with a sexless marriage in general? TRT highlights it, but the root cause is points back to other much larger players.  There are lots of guys not on TRT with the same issue - young and old with wives/girlfriends pre and post menopause. 

The real truth is that sex is the only major pleasure in life for us guys.  Sure music is great.  Chocolate and beer are fantastic.  And ping pong and golf are better still. But there simply is no comparison to the what happens in the bedroom.  (Well, sure, you can do crack or heroin, but I was talking about sustainable lifestyles.)

So, without sex, life for us men is nothing more than a noble chore.  Essentially, you become a eunich on a mission for the emperor...


One last thought:  what really pisses me off about this is that Big Pharma very likely screwed this up for all of us.  I'll bet every one of the above females has seen the negative research and been warned by their doctors or by friends who have talked to their doctors.  But they just don't want to talk to their hubbies about it, because they think that he might take it personally.  And, because of our God awful FDA system that requires tens of millions to fund a study, we have very few studies of bioidentical hormones in females.  Essentially women are back where we were 20 years ago, when they were saying that testosterone would cause prostate cancer, etc. 

The current FDA-based system that we have just destroys capitalism.  If you didn't have the gargantuan costs associated with three major phases and armies of lawyers and statisticians and on and on, this would have been done and settled back in 1988 and these men above would likely not be going thru all of this.

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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2016, 04:31:12 am »
Excellent post Peak! I do agree that modern medical science has, and can have, solutions for many issues. YET, our FDA is directly responsible for much of my suffering with fatigue. As I was on a thyroid protocol that worked perfectly. After the FDA took Armour off the market, I failed hard and never recovered. My autoimmune issues kicked into high gear and started damaging my body. 

I'm just starting to understand why! The relationship of T4, T3, reverse T3 and the conversion of each.

(male health fails as we age, earlier than women, and is often out of our control)
Again, another reason why an unaffectionate partner deserves timely evaluation followed by action. Failure to take action results in much resentment, regret and unhappiness, and yes, ultimately, failure.

Started the thread, not to vent, but to inform. Men who put up with affectionless relationships, especially in middle age, are setting themselves up for failure. That failure is not limited to the bedroom, but to overall well being, success and happiness.

Furthermore, betrayal of a marriage comes in many forms. The withholding of affection is, most certainly, a betrayal, as is obesity. Consider carefully what's being communicated: I'm happy, but you can't have me, and you can't have anybody else!
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53 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 200
Height 5' 10"
Very active, daily workouts and some cardio.
0.75g compounded 10% T cream, rotated daily to shaved armpits, shaved shoulders, remainder on scrotum
169Mg WPthyroid (same as old Armour formulation)
Perfect bloodwork labs (Mar 2017) , my T=702, TSH 0.5, other thyroid levels normal.


Daily workouts with weights, low-glycemic diet, high in clean protein, very low carb (salad/fish/low fat meats, uncooked veggies, nothing else, ever) Carbs/starch can cause me to have intestinal problems, so I avoid them.

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2016, 07:52:27 am »
Just a quick dispatch from my end:  my wife (1 year older, 51) is just now starting to hit some of the unpleasant menopause symptoms:  weight gain (she has been skinny her whole life), fatigue and dwindling libido.  After four years of low T from my end of the bed, I have complete sympathy for what she is going through.  She put up with my lack of energy, bad mood, and intermittent sex for long time.  I tell her now, "I owe you some patience after what you went though with me".  Maybe we are lucky it hit me first in that regard.  But here is where I am hopeful:  she is so impressed with my turnaround on TRT, she wants to go see my doctor.  Like Dr. Saya, they treat over 60% women in their office.  She is ready to fire her OB who says, "It is normal, you are fine" without pulling any labs.  So, I am going to encourage her along that path. 

You all bring up very good points here.  She even warned me:  you are going to start feeling better right around the time it hits me.  Hate when she is right...  ;D >:(
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2/15/17 labs:  Total T (peak day): 1169 (250 - 1100 ng/dl).  Free T 198 pg/ML (46-225).  Sensitive E2: 40 High.  PSA 0.2  Hemocrit 44.2. SHBG: 32

Pre HRT numbers:
Total T  440 >> 375 >> 512 (Mar 16)
Free T  50 pg/ml (35 -155) LOW (Mar 16)
SHBG:  45 (HIGH Normal)  (10-50 nmol/L)
Estradiol (Ultrasensitive):  14 LOW (15 - 26 pg/ml)

Supplements:  Multivitamin, plus additional B12, B6, D, K2, Fish Oil, Magnesium, and Coq10

Evening stack:  2g Arginine, 100 mg Pycnogenol, 2.5G Kyolic garlic, 2g Vitamin C.  2 mg Cialis EOD

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Re: Testosterone Replacement, Libido and Aging Spouse, Menopause
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