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HCG - Does It Hinder Testosterone Therapy?
« on: December 13, 2016, 02:32:26 pm »
I have been on testosterone therapy for the last four years (will be 62 next year). I take my injections every four days (.4ML). My doctor who is the head of mens health at a hospital here in RI has always told me not to bother with taking HCG because it does not help and hinders the whole idea behind using the test therapy. So I'm wondering if that is true. But lately I'm getting tired of my nuts looking like raisenetts. Does it stop a person from getting the full affect of the t - therapy.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2016, 06:56:17 pm »
A lot of in the know TRT doctors actually highly recommend getting on HCG while on TRT.  Unfortunately most doctors aren't on this page yet. 

In my personal experience it will definitely preserve your fertility (to a higher degree at least) and absolutely reinflate your boys back to life.  On 250iu of hcg e3d my testicles were fuller than pre TRT days.  The problem with HCG is it has a high ability to convert to E2 so you must monitor you e2 levels while on HCG.

Many people report including HCG to there T-therapy provides an increased sense of well being, there is no blockage of Testosterones effect.  If anything your overall test levels will increase as your body starts to produce a little bit in addition to the Testosterone you are taking, you may even need less testosterone to reach the desired effect.

HCG can also increase pregnenolone and DHEA levels which are important for well being as well.

Hope this helps!
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2016, 06:56:17 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2016, 06:59:42 pm »
I have been on testosterone therapy for the last four years (will be 62 next year). I take my injections every four days (.4ML). My doctor who is the head of mens health at a hospital here in RI has always told me not to bother with taking HCG because it does not help and hinders the whole idea behind using the test therapy. So I'm wondering if that is true. But lately I'm getting tired of my nuts looking like raisenetts. Does it stop a person from getting the full affect of the t - therapy.
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I can't imagine why he would say that.  Consider this:  Dr. Lipshultz, who can run circles when it comes to TRT around almost any doc in the country, studied giving HCG + TRT to men.  What did he find?  Did the men get shut down or have major issues?  No, what he found was that it restored their fertility.  Yes, if you do low dose HCG at the right dosage and frequency, you can reactivate the testicle to where fertility is restored.

Around a fourth of men that have been on TRT for awhile will find that restoring HCG will do things like restore libido and improve mood as well.

Finally, consider this:  if your testosterone has been significantly raised from TRT, your LH will drop to near zero.  This happened to me.  You have LH receptors all over your body and their purpose is not that well understood.  But you have some in the hippocampus for example.  HCG will latch onto those receptors and can hopefully restore some of their original purpose:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/LH_Luteinizing_Hormone_Receptor.aspx

Finally, HCG may increase some of our "production line"hormones such as progesterone and cortisol, which have probably fallen if your LH is truly 0 or near to it.  I believe this happened to me and here is a discussion of that:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HCG_Increase_Pregnenolone.aspx

So I'm not trying to push you onto HCG.  But I'm just trying to point out that your doctor made a statement where he/she was either a) ignorant or b) just trying to get you out of his office.
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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 08:53:16 pm »
I'm also at a loss for why your doctor would say something like that.  I agree with PeakT, it's either out of ignorance or just to simple end the conversation.

No drug is perfect but until I see some halfway decent evidence that hCG provides anything less than positive results, I'm sold on it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2016, 02:53:27 pm »
I would give him some feedback since he's the head of men's health there and maybe he'll do a little research on the subject and you'll be helping other patients in the future, i.e. those to come.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 07:10:35 am »
My free T increased 70 points on hcg!

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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 11:37:27 am »
My free T increased 70 points on hcg!

From what to what?
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 05:19:25 pm »
I have been on testosterone therapy for the last four years (will be 62 next year). I take my injections every four days (.4ML). My doctor who is the head of mens health at a hospital here in RI has always told me not to bother with taking HCG because it does not help and hinders the whole idea behind using the test therapy. So I'm wondering if that is true. But lately I'm getting tired of my nuts looking like raisenetts. Does it stop a person from getting the full affect of the t - therapy.
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The doctor I go to very good and is on the t-therapy himself.  He just feels at my age I don't need the HCG for fertility reason. He also feels that like I stated he believes that it prevents you from getting the full effect of the testosterone therapy.  I want to go back on it and be able to get my testicles back to normal size. I have sent he an email and I'm waiting for a response.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 06:46:46 pm »
My free T increased 70 points on hcg!

From what to what?
Total T went from 492 to 531 and FreeT went from 95 to 121.  I was a ways off and these numbers also reflect starting 30mg of pregnenolone and 20mg of dhea.
So I went from doing .10ml of Tcyp EOD only to doing the .10 ml of Tcyp EOD plus 250 iu of HCG EOD and the pregnenolone/dhea.  My E2 was 23 with the sensitive test through Labcorp.  I recently bumped my Tcyp to .12ml Eod. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2016, 07:17:18 pm »
I have been on testosterone therapy for the last four years (will be 62 next year). I take my injections every four days (.4ML). My doctor who is the head of mens health at a hospital here in RI has always told me not to bother with taking HCG because it does not help and hinders the whole idea behind using the test therapy. So I'm wondering if that is true. But lately I'm getting tired of my nuts looking like raisenetts. Does it stop a person from getting the full affect of the t - therapy.
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The doctor I go to very good and is on the t-therapy himself.  He just feels at my age I don't need the HCG for fertility reason. He also feels that like I stated he believes that it prevents you from getting the full effect of the testosterone therapy.  I want to go back on it and be able to get my testicles back to normal size. I have sent he an email and I'm waiting for a response.

Unless he's including testicular atrophy in his definition of "full effect of testosterone therapy", then I couldn't fathom what he is referring to.
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2016, 06:21:19 pm »
My doctor filled my script for HCG. Twice a week 500 iu. I take .4ml of testosterone cypionate does it matter if both shots (HCG and testosterone cypionate) fall on the same day.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2016, 06:32:23 pm »
My doctor filled my script for HCG. Twice a week 500 iu. I take .4ml of testosterone cypionate does it matter if both shots (HCG and testosterone cypionate) fall on the same day.
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Your estradiol could spike to too high of levels.  I am doing 250iu HCG every other day and .10ml of test cyp. Every other day, on separate days.  My estradiol levels were 23 which is good.  I am currently upping my T shots to .12ml. You may be fine but be cautious of E2 spikes!! Best wishes.

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2016, 06:36:05 pm »
Also, HCG has made everything a good amount better with the testes and sex for me.

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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2016, 06:37:29 pm »
My doctor filled my script for HCG. Twice a week 500 iu. I take .4ml of testosterone cypionate does it matter if both shots (HCG and testosterone cypionate) fall on the same day.

Although at these doses the medications are both theoretically yielding testosterone peaks within a day or so of injections, the relative contribution to testosterone of this amount of hCG is likely to be small. So chances are you won't notice much difference between simultaneous and staggered injections.
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2016, 07:07:06 pm »
My doctor filled my script for HCG. Twice a week 500 iu. I take .4ml of testosterone cypionate does it matter if both shots (HCG and testosterone cypionate) fall on the same day.

Although at these doses the medications are both theoretically yielding testosterone peaks within a day or so of injections, the relative contribution to testosterone of this amount of hCG is likely to be small. So chances are you won't notice much difference between simultaneous and staggered injections.


I meant to say I take .4ml every four days and was told to take the HCG twice a week ( 500 iu each shot)

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