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Evening All -

Given some recent discussions, I thought I'd pop on to offer my experience regarding ED.

Years back, ED was what cause me to seek treatment and testing - its onset was relatively sudden, and I was truly taken aback.  Of course, my Doc initially thought to just throw Cialis at the problem (which worked for a time, but ended up giving me horrible GERD/throat/congestion issues after about six months, which only got worse as time progressed).  About a year later, he tested my T and found it to be low, starting me on a protocol that floored me and, of course, exacerbated the ED issues which led me to him initially.

Even after getting linked up with a 'knowledgeable' Doc in town, I was prescribed 1mg Adex 3x/week, which all but ensured that I could never get an erection without the help of Cialis.  I thought that this was just what life looked like moving forward, and accepted it without much of a second thought.

Skip ahead a couple of years, after attempting a restart and getting connected to the forums here.  I worked with a new Doc to modify my protocol to 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400iu HCG 2x/week - no Adex.  This leaves my E2 levels at the top end of the LabCorp Sensitive Average Range (somewhere around 40).  After about 6 months on this protocol, I came to find that I no longer needed Cialis or Viagra.  After a few successful goes of it drug-free, I swore off the stuff altogether.

While I've dabbled in PDE5 inhibitors since, mainly due to nervousness associated with starting a new relationship, I've since come off of them completely again and, indeed, actually found that taking them made my erections less reliable at times, especially if attempting to go drug-free after having used Viagra/Stendra/Cialis within the past week.

Obviously we each have our own unique situations to work through, but I thought it worth mentioning that, with patience and a proper protocol, it may be worth considering that a life without ED drugs might be possible.
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Age: 30 | Height: 6ft 1in | Weight: 175

Protocol: 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400u HCG 2x/week.

Original Results - 9-2012:
TT: 387 ng/dl
FT: 11.2 pg/ml

Varicocele repair -> on TRT for 1 year -> tapered off T for 1 year -> back to TRT

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I asked Balderdasher to post this because he got rid essentially of his PDE5 inhibitors by

a) tweaking his TRT protocol

b) experimenting with various protocols (Clomid, TRT, etc.)

c) being compliant

All of this took patience and persistence but clearly paid off for him.

If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
My Health History: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/My_Health_Story.aspx.
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Evening All -

Given some recent discussions, I thought I'd pop on to offer my experience regarding ED.

Years back, ED was what cause me to seek treatment and testing - its onset was relatively sudden, and I was truly taken aback.  Of course, my Doc initially thought to just throw Cialis at the problem (which worked for a time, but ended up giving me horrible GERD/throat/congestion issues after about six months, which only got worse as time progressed).  About a year later, he tested my T and found it to be low, starting me on a protocol that floored me and, of course, exacerbated the ED issues which led me to him initially.

Even after getting linked up with a 'knowledgeable' Doc in town, I was prescribed 1mg Adex 3x/week, which all but ensured that I could never get an erection without the help of Cialis.  I thought that this was just what life looked like moving forward, and accepted it without much of a second thought.

Skip ahead a couple of years, after attempting a restart and getting connected to the forums here.  I worked with a new Doc to modify my protocol to 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400iu HCG 2x/week - no Adex.  This leaves my E2 levels at the top end of the LabCorp Sensitive Average Range (somewhere around 40).  After about 6 months on this protocol, I came to find that I no longer needed Cialis or Viagra.  After a few successful goes of it drug-free, I swore off the stuff altogether.

While I've dabbled in PDE5 inhibitors since, mainly due to nervousness associated with starting a new relationship, I've since come off of them completely again and, indeed, actually found that taking them made my erections less reliable at times, especially if attempting to go drug-free after having used Viagra/Stendra/Cialis within the past week.

Obviously we each have our own unique situations to work through, but I thought it worth mentioning that, with patience and a proper protocol, it may be worth considering that a life without ED drugs might be possible.

So it took you literally years to find this protocol, right?

By the way, you're also in Hydranted's camp, who feels better with estradiol in the low 40's
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
My Health History: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/My_Health_Story.aspx.
And check out my new Peak Testosterone Program on the right side of my home page: http://www.peaktestosterone.com.

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Good story.  Thanks, Balderdasher.  Glad things worked out so well for you in the end.

I have been wondering if I might do better in general on T shots rather than Clomid, but TBH life on my current protocol is more than tolerable (although losing morning anxiety would be nice).

ED for me is now more of a worry than a real thing, as I've only had two real instances of it in the last year (both of them within the last month, one of which involved skipping Cialis dose).  My erections are not what they used to be, but generally better than they were in the months leading up to my first ED experience, when I was not at all concerned about them.

Anyway, I sure am curious how I'd do on an injection protocol, with a T that was consistently over 600 (I am generally between 350-550 now).  Someday I may try it and be one of those guys who says, "wish I'd done this years ago".
43 years old
5'7", was 220 pounds when trouble started, now down to 165
Trouble began with abrupt ED Early May '15
Initial T level 130
Started Clomid in hopes of rebooting system June '15
Currently taking 25 mg eod and .25 mg Arimidex every 4 days
T level 480 or so at last reading
ED in check with 2.5 mg Cialis eod and supplements:
POM juice, L-Cit, Pycnogenol

Morning anxiety currently in check with GABA taken every night

Biggest current worry is heart health:
Aortic stenosis (very mild for now)
CAC score 156(!) at age 42
20 mg Crestor and baby aspirin every day
CoQ-10, Vitamin K2, and Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract every day too
Walking 10,000 steps a day

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Evening All -

Given some recent discussions, I thought I'd pop on to offer my experience regarding ED.

Years back, ED was what cause me to seek treatment and testing - its onset was relatively sudden, and I was truly taken aback.  Of course, my Doc initially thought to just throw Cialis at the problem (which worked for a time, but ended up giving me horrible GERD/throat/congestion issues after about six months, which only got worse as time progressed).  About a year later, he tested my T and found it to be low, starting me on a protocol that floored me and, of course, exacerbated the ED issues which led me to him initially.

Even after getting linked up with a 'knowledgeable' Doc in town, I was prescribed 1mg Adex 3x/week, which all but ensured that I could never get an erection without the help of Cialis.  I thought that this was just what life looked like moving forward, and accepted it without much of a second thought.

Skip ahead a couple of years, after attempting a restart and getting connected to the forums here.  I worked with a new Doc to modify my protocol to 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400iu HCG 2x/week - no Adex.  This leaves my E2 levels at the top end of the LabCorp Sensitive Average Range (somewhere around 40).  After about 6 months on this protocol, I came to find that I no longer needed Cialis or Viagra.  After a few successful goes of it drug-free, I swore off the stuff altogether.

While I've dabbled in PDE5 inhibitors since, mainly due to nervousness associated with starting a new relationship, I've since come off of them completely again and, indeed, actually found that taking them made my erections less reliable at times, especially if attempting to go drug-free after having used Viagra/Stendra/Cialis within the past week.

Obviously we each have our own unique situations to work through, but I thought it worth mentioning that, with patience and a proper protocol, it may be worth considering that a life without ED drugs might be possible.

So it took you literally years to find this protocol, right?

By the way, you're also in Hydranted's camp, who feels better with estradiol in the low 40's

It did - mainly because I didn't pay attention to resources like this forum/site.  I was working with a Doc who was known as being one of the more knowledgeable ones in the field, who still thought that 1mg 3x/week was the way to go (he was not using the sensitive test).
Age: 30 | Height: 6ft 1in | Weight: 175

Protocol: 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400u HCG 2x/week.

Original Results - 9-2012:
TT: 387 ng/dl
FT: 11.2 pg/ml

Varicocele repair -> on TRT for 1 year -> tapered off T for 1 year -> back to TRT

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Good story.  Thanks, Balderdasher.  Glad things worked out so well for you in the end.

I have been wondering if I might do better in general on T shots rather than Clomid, but TBH life on my current protocol is more than tolerable (although losing morning anxiety would be nice).

ED for me is now more of a worry than a real thing, as I've only had two real instances of it in the last year (both of them within the last month, one of which involved skipping Cialis dose).  My erections are not what they used to be, but generally better than they were in the months leading up to my first ED experience, when I was not at all concerned about them.

Anyway, I sure am curious how I'd do on an injection protocol, with a T that was consistently over 600 (I am generally between 350-550 now).  Someday I may try it and be one of those guys who says, "wish I'd done this years ago".

When I was on Clomid I was also taking a high dose of Adex - I've often wondered if ED issues may have been relieved if I'd just tried low-dose Clomid.  Honestly, I would have stayed on low-dose Clomid if I hadn't started having nasty visual side effects (tracers/floaters/etc.) - felt great/far more convenient than dealing with HCG, which must be refrigerated.
Age: 30 | Height: 6ft 1in | Weight: 175

Protocol: 40mg T Cyp 2x/week + 400u HCG 2x/week.

Original Results - 9-2012:
TT: 387 ng/dl
FT: 11.2 pg/ml

Varicocele repair -> on TRT for 1 year -> tapered off T for 1 year -> back to TRT

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This is an awesome testament to the virtue of patience when it comes to TRT and hormonal treatments. The journey is different for all.
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Great thread, but I am going to desticky it.
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements. Yes, low T and E.D. are usually medical conditions.  There are potential risk with HRT:  http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks.aspx.
My Health History: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/My_Health_Story.aspx.
And check out my new Peak Testosterone Program on the right side of my home page: http://www.peaktestosterone.com.

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