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How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« on: March 03, 2017, 07:27:34 am »
JustAskin posted this in another thread, but I thought it was so important that I pulled it out here, so it wouldn't get buried in the middle of a thread:

"First I tried every day, my DHT went above 3600!
Then I tried every third day, DHT was about 1800!
Then every sixth day, DHT was 500!
I stopped completely for 2 months, DHT went back to 53.
Then I tried E9D and DHT was at 85.
I went back to E6D and DHT was at 114. Libido thru the roof but PSA raised 1/2 point.
So after talking with Dr. Shippen,
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With this my hang is much fuller, can have sex when I want, and nuts feel tight, full, and warm."
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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 09:15:10 am »
Is he putting T cream on his sack? How much?

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 09:15:10 am »

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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 09:30:38 am »
I would love to hear more about this. What type of "T cream"?

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 07:08:52 pm »
I would love to hear more about this. What type of "T cream"?

Check out this for more information:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Scrotum.aspx

I think all your questions will be answered over there.
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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 08:01:43 pm »
Here's a paper with some hard data on the scrotal application. DHT was generally higher with this location than elsewhere, but surprisingly the end data point at 24 weeks showed similar levels.

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As there is a high concentration of 5a-reductase in scrotal skin, we determined DHT kinetics in the scrotal gel group to assess the full androgen spectrum. DHT levels at week 24, analysed before gel application in the morning, were in the supraphysiological range in both the dermal and the scrotal gel group, with a higher increase in the scrotal group. The fivefold increase in the dermal group is comparable to that found in a pharmacokinetic analysis of 100mg AndroGel applied to non-scrotal skin (10). Surprisingly, we found similar DHT levels in the dermal and scrotal gel group at week 24 when we analysed the levels 2 h after gel application. Other gel studies have also shown that DHT levels increase more after gel application than after application of the (non-scrotal) patch. This may be caused by the fact that 5a-reductase is also detectable in all skin types, and the larger the area covered by the gel, the higher the conversion rate of testosterone to DHT.
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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 08:24:03 pm »
When I was using cream I always applied to my scrotum and inner thighs. never had my dht checked but it never got my total test or free test into normal range. Regretfully, the only thing I got was a lot of unwanted hair growth in both those areas.
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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 09:53:10 pm »
I have a feeling there is a lot more to DHT than just libido, even though that is the first thing you think about.

Mood, motivation etc too

Just wish it was more studied
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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 10:46:18 pm »
When I was using cream I always applied to my scrotum and inner thighs. never had my dht checked but it never got my total test or free test into normal range. Regretfully, the only thing I got was a lot of unwanted hair growth in both those areas.

That sounds like a win win in my case, increased DHT and my wife has a thing for hair in the pubic region :)
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SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
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SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
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Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2017, 02:52:33 pm »
Here's a paper with some hard data on the scrotal application. DHT was generally higher with this location than elsewhere, but surprisingly the end data point at 24 weeks showed similar levels.

Yes, but the "dermal" group applied 125mg of testosterone, while the "scrotal" group applied only 25mg.
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2017, 06:57:06 am »
Here's a paper with some hard data on the scrotal application. DHT was generally higher with this location than elsewhere, but surprisingly the end data point at 24 weeks showed similar levels.

Yes, but the "dermal" group applied 125mg of testosterone, while the "scrotal" group applied only 25mg.

That's true, but why at 24 weeks would the "dermal" group jump into a tie with the "scrotal" group after lagging in the previous five intervals?
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Re: How JustAskin Arrived At His Scrotal DHT Formula For Libido
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2017, 10:43:03 am »
Cream applied to the scrotum works very well for DHT conversion, obvious 5AR activity in the skin there. When I've used it it had to be a daily application, that was backed by testing with applying 2hours prior to blood draw and not applying it all. 25mg of a compounded Cyp cream typically took my DHT above the lab max of 16-79 and highest I ever saw was 104. Seems to spike very quickly within a few hours and return to base line in 12hrs perhaps.
My DHT always tested @ 35-40 on that 16-79 scale so I def wanted to get a bump there.

(this was in addition to my Cyp injections, not in-place of)

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2017, 08:30:38 pm »
Pretty crazy how high this method can increase DHT. The body just keeps producing it without shutting it down.

Since there's no DHT cream legally available in the US, it's an alternative.

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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2017, 08:12:42 am »
Cream applied to the scrotum works very well for DHT conversion, obvious 5AR activity in the skin there. When I've used it it had to be a daily application, that was backed by testing with applying 2hours prior to blood draw and not applying it all. 25mg of a compounded Cyp cream typically took my DHT above the lab max of 16-79 and highest I ever saw was 104. Seems to spike very quickly within a few hours and return to base line in 12hrs perhaps.
My DHT always tested @ 35-40 on that 16-79 scale so I def wanted to get a bump there.

(this was in addition to my Cyp injections, not in-place of)

That makes a lot of sense - that DHT would spike rather than remain high.  That seems to go against what JustAskin experienced though.  But the topicals are in and out pretty rapidly.  Let me see if I can get JustAskin to chime in.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2017, 01:12:20 pm »
What about injecting test(like SQ) into the scrotum instead of cream. Does anybody knows what could happen? 
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2017, 01:27:24 pm »
What about injecting test(like SQ) into the scrotum instead of cream. Does anybody knows what could happen?

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