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29 On TRT - why do I NEED Viagra?
« on: March 12, 2017, 07:10:54 am »
Hey guys,

Have been in and out of the forum over the years. Started a new account for keeps once and for all.

Around 25 I randomly got severe anxiety and depression and was prescribed Sertraline. I was on for about 3 months and then got off - needless to say the stuff destroyed my life and I have never been the same. Most frustratingly it gave me horrendous ED of which I was prescribed Viagra. Of course didn't do that much when the actual sex drive isn't there.

I struggled for the next 2 years with sexual dysfunction and other ailments the meds had caused and stuck around. Drive came back slowly but was never the same. It would return like when I was 18 for a few days and then disappear for weeks at a time. Erection quality was just as inconsistent - but the functioning WAS there when things worked properly.

It wasn't till I started looking into low testosterone and realising I had literally every marker in the book that I should go get tested. And of course - 315 and 270 t levels. Body wasn't making any LH. Possible pituitary damage from the Sertraline? We'll never know...

With HCG not being a long term solution, we started on T injections. 200mg with 0.50mg arimidex twice a week. Absolutely LIFE changing.

Body composition through the roof, confidence through the roof, anxiety decimated, energy, mood. You name it. Except... sexual function.

The problem still is that, I essentially cannot get reliable erections without the use of Viagra, for the most part. And my sex drive itself is not as ravenous as it used to be. A slight breeze when I was 24 would give me erections so hard they could wake me up at night. And this is definitely not an anxiety or in my mind thing - there's definitely something wrong with the mechanics IMO.

E2, prolactin, total t, free t, PSA. They're all perfect to the letter. And for what it's worth, yes I am a low Shbg guy. I work out and my diet is flawless. Plenty of nitric oxide and then some. I've tried all the supps - little to no difference. I can take just 50mg of Viagra however, and the results will last well into the 2 day region. My erections are plump, strong, hang is good etc etc, once a sexual thought is in my mind it's game on. After that two days though, it's anyone's guess as to whether I'll work or not. Morning wood is sporadic also and sometimes even if it is there, is weak. My kegels feel weak too but when I try to work them it seems like they make the ED worse.

Higher testosterone does not help, nor do sexual or androgenic compounds like Proviron. We've tried HcG as well. No real difference. Lower test, higher test, higher e2, lower - nada.

Half my question is why is this happening? And the other half is, why exactly is Viagra helping? My understanding is that for those who need it - they suffer from hardened arteries which shuts off blood supply and which the Vaso dilation of Viagra corrects. But could a seemingly healthy 29 year old be suffering from this same dilemma as guys who are 60? A bit of research says yes, this is getting common amongst younger men.

I've read about dhea and a few other things that TRT can affect that should be corrected but a lot of conjecture about this stuff and not enough hard data yet for
Most docs to be in the know about helping.

Any advice welcome, I've always enjoyed this community and it's input.


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Re: 29 On TRT - why do I NEED Viagra?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2017, 10:15:59 am »
Hey guys,

Have been in and out of the forum over the years. Started a new account for keeps once and for all.

Around 25 I randomly got severe anxiety and depression and was prescribed Sertraline. I was on for about 3 months and then got off - needless to say the stuff destroyed my life and I have never been the same. Most frustratingly it gave me horrendous ED of which I was prescribed Viagra. Of course didn't do that much when the actual sex drive isn't there.

I struggled for the next 2 years with sexual dysfunction and other ailments the meds had caused and stuck around. Drive came back slowly but was never the same. It would return like when I was 18 for a few days and then disappear for weeks at a time. Erection quality was just as inconsistent - but the functioning WAS there when things worked properly.

It wasn't till I started looking into low testosterone and realising I had literally every marker in the book that I should go get tested. And of course - 315 and 270 t levels. Body wasn't making any LH. Possible pituitary damage from the Sertraline? We'll never know...

With HCG not being a long term solution, we started on T injections. 200mg with 0.50mg arimidex twice a week. Absolutely LIFE changing.

Body composition through the roof, confidence through the roof, anxiety decimated, energy, mood. You name it. Except... sexual function.

The problem still is that, I essentially cannot get reliable erections without the use of Viagra, for the most part. And my sex drive itself is not as ravenous as it used to be. A slight breeze when I was 24 would give me erections so hard they could wake me up at night. And this is definitely not an anxiety or in my mind thing - there's definitely something wrong with the mechanics IMO.

E2, prolactin, total t, free t, PSA. They're all perfect to the letter. And for what it's worth, yes I am a low Shbg guy. I work out and my diet is flawless. Plenty of nitric oxide and then some. I've tried all the supps - little to no difference. I can take just 50mg of Viagra however, and the results will last well into the 2 day region. My erections are plump, strong, hang is good etc etc, once a sexual thought is in my mind it's game on. After that two days though, it's anyone's guess as to whether I'll work or not. Morning wood is sporadic also and sometimes even if it is there, is weak. My kegels feel weak too but when I try to work them it seems like they make the ED worse.

Higher testosterone does not help, nor do sexual or androgenic compounds like Proviron. We've tried HcG as well. No real difference. Lower test, higher test, higher e2, lower - nada.

Half my question is why is this happening? And the other half is, why exactly is Viagra helping? My understanding is that for those who need it - they suffer from hardened arteries which shuts off blood supply and which the Vaso dilation of Viagra corrects. But could a seemingly healthy 29 year old be suffering from this same dilemma as guys who are 60? A bit of research says yes, this is getting common amongst younger men.

I've read about dhea and a few other things that TRT can affect that should be corrected but a lot of conjecture about this stuff and not enough hard data yet for
Most docs to be in the know about helping.

Any advice welcome, I've always enjoyed this community and it's input.

I'm roughly the same age, and we seem to have shared this common experience.  A couple of points based upon my personal observations thus far:

1) When I was on Adex, I always needed Viagra or Cialis regardless of how 'good' my E2 levels looked.
2) Once I got off Adex, and my E2 levels on the sensitive test went up to ~30-40, I began to notice the issue resolving.  I decided to try to get off of the Viagra and Cialis altogether and, while it took 3-4 weeks to resolve, I've since seen my ED nearly completely 'cured' (~95% success rate at this point I'd say).

In light of this, it might be worth ditching the Adex and Viagra for a couple of months to see if it makes a difference.  If you post your labs, we might be able to dig in a little more.  It definitely took some time and patience and, luckily for me, I have an understanding significant other who was supportive in the interim.  I also had to ditch the idea the mid-to-high range E2 is a bad thing for all guys.  Completely worth the challenge though.

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Re: 29 On TRT - why do I NEED Viagra?
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2017, 12:42:52 pm »
A few comments:

 Keep in mind the different things were covering different rates.

 Many other hormones can cause that problem so be sure to pull everything and so dont assume it's just T

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Re: 29 On TRT - why do I NEED Viagra?
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2017, 01:51:21 pm »
For some guys the mechanics of it are so separate from the hormonal side, for instance I have all the desire and libido that I rightly should but the ability to make good on that comes from Viagra. I think that HRT and Erections can have a very different set of circumstances at play.

Couple of things I notice that are typical glaring problems...automatic use of Anastrozole and no mention of Estrogen testing.

These are two critical fail points.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2017, 02:27:18 pm »

The problem still is that, I essentially cannot get reliable erections without the use of Viagra, for the most part. And my sex drive itself is not as ravenous as it used to be. A slight breeze when I was 24 would give me erections so hard they could wake me up at night. And this is definitely not an anxiety or in my mind thing - there's definitely something wrong with the mechanics IMO.

E2, prolactin, total t, free t, PSA. They're all perfect to the letter. And for what it's worth, yes I am a low Shbg guy. I work out and my diet is flawless. Plenty of nitric oxide and then some. I've tried all the supps - little to no difference. I can take just 50mg of Viagra however, and the results will last well into the 2 day region. My erections are plump, strong, hang is good etc etc, once a sexual thought is in my mind it's game on. After that two days though, it's anyone's guess as to whether I'll work or not. Morning wood is sporadic also and sometimes even if it is there, is weak. My kegels feel weak too but when I try to work them it seems like they make the ED worse.


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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2017, 04:53:46 pm »
Some great info already there guys - and I shall follow up each.

YES - I have seemingly noted in the past two years or so of TRT that the Arimidex compound itself, brings with it its own side effects. I have tried using Zinc and natural stuff to control E2, but to be honest I just haven't had the balls to continue on with it. As soon as I get a little bloated after a few days, I race back to the Arimidex. I should probably wait it out, as I'm lean and not gyno prone, but that thought is always there lingering. Another thing is that my skin (back particularly) has been utterly horrendous with acne. And funnily enough, I actually think this is from the Arim, not the androgenic T. In the occasions where I've stopped Arim, it seems like my skin starts clearing up in that matter of days. I've never had bad skin.

Is DIM considered the go-to E2 blocker from a natural source? Do we have an agreed standard on dosing and what to use so to speak? I definitely agree there's no set E2 across the board. High has to be VERY high and low has to be VERY low, over long extended periods of time, before damage starts being done. What I find intriguing is that I have my pre-TRT bloods and have tried matching that E2 with my now-raised test levels. Again, no difference. I'm not sure if I follow the whole test to E2 ratio being of high importance. I've tweaked each numerous times, with little to no difference.

As mentioned, I HAVE also had ongoing testing regarding Estrogen. We've tried lowering dosage to up it, and vice versa. No difference. Whenever I do get random strong morning wood, it doesn't seem to be correlated to any particular E2 level (so long as it's in range of say 15 - 33 and not crashed or through the roof), but something else driving it.

My blood pressure is also good as well. It can go up if I eat a crapload of salt, which naturally I avoid being a healthy eater.

I DID have high cholesterol before the TRT, and the TRT actually corrected it. I guess low LH wasn't giving any of that cholesterol the chance to convert to steroid hormones. My doc was most impressed with that one.

We've pulled everything I can think of off the top of my head - any suggestions for things to look for? What does concern me as stated is the DHEA, cortisol, preg, progest, etc. There's what - 26 or so steroid hormones on an endocrine axis, and we really only just look at E2, prolactin, DHT and Test. Surely others get affected / shut down when one is replaced, and need correcting.

On the porn thing - I should probably clarify actually: yeah I can, but I don't actually have "full blown ED", as I would describe it.
It's not that I can NEVER get hard, it's that it's just not reliable.

In my early 20's I could just TALK to a girl - no contact whatsoever - and I would be hard as steel-reinforced concrete. And I could have sex 3 - 4 times a day.
After anti depressants, a total babe could be naked and rubbing against me, and sometimes my mind would rather read a book. Now on TRT, other times I'd be so into it and turned on mentally, but would get only around 70% hard, barely enough for sex. Other times everything would be perfect, but after sex I would be done for the next WEEK. Forget sex even twice a day or once every day. On very very rare occasions - usually after Viagra for the most part - I can have multiple sessions a day and everything's perfect the way it was. I don't expect this naturally to be honest, but I do expect some degree of normality.

I mean, things *DO* actually work, but not reliably and when I need them to - which is how I class ED. If it doesn't work the way I expect it should, and know it can, there's a problem. Even by myself, with porn, whatever, erections are not reliable.

One interesting thing to note is that brain chemicals have a huge bearing on this and it's Serotonin that destroys sex drive in antidepressants. And I have read there's actually some brain chemical calculations of high testosterone / high serotonin, high testosterone / low serotonin, low test / high serotonin etc that influences how your mind and body works. Not to mention the various other brain chemicals. I've always felt that there was some lingering damage from the Sertraline having altered my brain chemicals, but how to test this - and knowing which one to fix is nigh on impossible. I do believe some steroid hormones even deplete and screw around with this.

I have encountered people who have fought post Setraline damage and recovery by taking Wellbutrin - another type of antidepressant that is well known to INCREASE sex drive and associated physical attributes, but I haven't done enough research yet to explore further.

By far and away the most frustrating thing being on TRT now though, is actually having that drive and energy and desire for sex, but the plumbing just not working!!!! Lucky I'm single because no woman would surely put up with this.

One last thing to note is that even using an Enanthate Ester, I seem to feel better by doing EOD injections in small amounts, rather than two 125mg or one 200mg. x4 of 50mg.

Will post bloods when I get home.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2017, 05:10:02 pm »
This might not be the answer you want but I always had inconsistent errections on TRT.

I am off TRT right now and on SERM only and am having way more spontaneous errections and just better errection quality.

Not sure if the testicles play a part or if it's more complex than that.

The body is super complex. So many moving parts and i dont know why errections are better off T.


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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2017, 06:10:20 pm »
Is DIM considered the go-to E2 blocker from a natural source?  ...

DIM isn't known as an E2 blocker. It's supposed to push estrogen metabolism towards safer paths. Kierkegaard posted some interesting information on it recently. The whole story appears quite complicated. A similar situation with I3C.

Calcium d-glucarate may lower estradiol a little. Several guys have been happy with its effects.
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Re: 29 On TRT - why do I NEED Viagra?
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2017, 06:21:58 pm »

With HCG not being a long term solution, we started on T injections. 200mg with 0.50mg arimidex twice a week. Absolutely LIFE changing.

Half my question is why is this happening? And the other half is, why exactly is Viagra helping? My understanding is that for those who need it - they suffer from hardened arteries which shuts off blood supply and which the Vaso dilation of Viagra corrects. But could a seemingly healthy 29 year old be suffering from this same dilemma as guys who are 60? A bit of research says yes, this is getting common amongst younger men.

Couple of questions.  Are you taking 200mg 2 times / week = 400mg/week?  or are you taking 200mg/week? 

200MG is still a pretty hefty dose.  You might be be able lower the dose and thereby reduce the amount of testosterone that is aromatized into E2 and thus would not need the arimidex.   If you are taking 400MG I would definitely try reducing the dose. 

You are correct that viagra works because it vaso-dialates you.  Keep in mind that you can be vaso constricted by more things than just plaque accumulation and/or hardening of the arteries.  You can also be constricted by excess stress hormones.  It could be that you just have an excess of those hormones. 

Last thing.  Antihistamines and some anti-acids can also  erection issues.  You taking any of those? 
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2017, 08:01:38 pm »
I would recommend L-Citrulline.

How long does Viagra last? I didn't think it lasted for 2 days like you said. If a doctor we're to give you a sugar pill that looked exactly the same, would it trick your mind?

There are some websites that recommend supplements that act on the body the same way the ED drugs work.

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2017, 10:43:26 pm »

With HCG not being a long term solution, we started on T injections. 200mg with 0.50mg arimidex twice a week. Absolutely LIFE changing.

Half my question is why is this happening? And the other half is, why exactly is Viagra helping? My understanding is that for those who need it - they suffer from hardened arteries which shuts off blood supply and which the Vaso dilation of Viagra corrects. But could a seemingly healthy 29 year old be suffering from this same dilemma as guys who are 60? A bit of research says yes, this is getting common amongst younger men.

Couple of questions.  Are you taking 200mg 2 times / week = 400mg/week?  or are you taking 200mg/week? 

200MG is still a pretty hefty dose.  You might be be able lower the dose and thereby reduce the amount of testosterone that is aromatized into E2 and thus would not need the arimidex.   If you are taking 400MG I would definitely try reducing the dose. 

You are correct that viagra works because it vaso-dialates you.  Keep in mind that you can be vaso constricted by more things than just plaque accumulation and/or hardening of the arteries.  You can also be constricted by excess stress hormones.  It could be that you just have an excess of those hormones. 

Last thing.  Antihistamines and some anti-acids can also  erection issues.  You taking any of those?

No goodness no. Only 200mg's a week, which puts me right just above high normal at day 2.5 and then drops down steadily back into range. I have actually tried 400mg (high as I've ever gone) for the muscle building qualities. That's all it's good for. Honestly, higher T just absolutely KILLS any semblance of EQ for me and makes me even more unreliable. More bloated, more tired. I suspect what they call 'androgen resistance' to some degree. My body just doesn't like it. Negative on the other drugs, haven't taken antacids in years since I read they kill your boners actually! And even then it was very rarely. We spent a long while removing all 'bad things' (plastics etc) and supplementing (Tribulus, Ginseng, yada yada) etc to try and raise my natural test. None of it was worth a damn. Only thing that worked was Texas T.

Have tried L-Citrulline in the grams. Up to 6 a day if I recall. Nothing much to note. Pomegranate juice etc all too. Makes me more vascular, that's about it. It's a good combination WITH Viagra, but doesn't help on its own. Tried so many different supps. Placebo wouldn't work, its definitely a mechanical problem. Having suffered from crippling anxiety in the past, I can faithfully admit when a problem is all in my head, but this is all physical. Thankfully because every other aspect of my life has increased tenfold due to TRT I can put up with it for the time being, it doesn't bother me immensely, but am still trying to find a permanent fix.

The Viagra doesn't work full power for 2 days, but its *effects* linger around that long in weakened qualities. Say I take it at 7PM. By 8PM I'm seeing purple lights and bursting out of my pants. By 11PM my nose is stuffed and I'm red. At 7AM the next morning it'd be around 70% still there with no side effects. By 7PM that next day it'd be about 40% still there. Then by 7AM the second day it'd start to wear back off to being completely normal. By 7PM THAT night or 7AM the next morning, back to square one.

Speaking of stress. Could cortisol be an issue here? I have been figured to have adrenal fatigue, but all talk of this dropped once I got onto TRT and got my energy back for the most part. I do get uncontrollably tired at times (like almost drunkenly so). My throid's all good.

CDC Interests me, I'll hunt down those posts!

I have always felt that having *full* testicles and virility helps somewhat. I mean I do actually feel better when I'm on HCG as well, but it doesn't completely cure the problem.

So much to take in, one thing I've never understood is that Test doesn't just = Mr Fantastic across the board. How can it turn some people into studs, the higher it goes, and others into castrations? Surely it must be SOMETHING else along the chain it is affecting rather than Test itself. What I've always thought alongside this, is that I can completely see how this WOULD happen however.

If I had taken Test BEFORE the anti depressants when I already was a little horn dog, I can fully appreciate that it would have likely increased that further. Something definitely changed in me though, just wish I knew what and how to reverse it.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2017, 11:09:25 am »
One last thing:  have you pulled all of your thyroid hormones?
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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2017, 11:09:55 am »
ANy Beta-Blockers by chance? Cortisol problems I've read a little that in the absence of Cortisol the body can/will substitute Adrenaline...it's something i'm studying right now for my own symptoms. Something about the Adrenaline (or is it norAdrenaline) being a vaso-CONSTRICTOR, which could cause erection problems.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2017, 03:17:10 pm »
ANy Beta-Blockers by chance? Cortisol problems I've read a little that in the absence of Cortisol the body can/will substitute Adrenaline...it's something i'm studying right now for my own symptoms. Something about the Adrenaline (or is it norAdrenaline) being a vaso-CONSTRICTOR, which could cause erection problems.

Elevated noradrenaline levels can cause blood pressure to rise, vasoconstriction, decreased blood flow, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2017, 08:24:56 pm »
Yeah my thyroid is awesome, textbook spot on. Plus I have a fast metabolism and am always on the lean side.

Have had lowISH B12 and lowISH Vitamin D on most tests - still within range but not ideal. However supplementing the biggest dose I could find of each and ensuring I got plenty of sun to raise them both up didn't make any difference to the problem, although I felt and looked better. Haha.

Iodine, zinc - everything else you could name was all good.

No beta's or any other meds.

ACTUALLY!!!!!!!!!: I did have a bad back issue from a gym injury a while ago, and was prescribed Tramadol. I used it probably once a month if the pain flared up or got really bad (it's fine now) and funnily enough I could probably correlate some of the times when everything worked flawlessly, was after I had taken the Tram - which I believe acts on norepiniphrine, dopamine and serotonin.

Another take on the brain chemical side of things I suppose.

How can you control these stress hormones however? Doesn't too much cortisol bring just as many problems as low cortisol, if you're trying to go the opposite way to what your problem is?

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