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Trevo745

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30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« on: June 18, 2017, 08:39:27 am »
Im 30 yr old and was just recently diagnosed with low t. For the past nine months my blood work has shown t >280 except for one occasion it was 587 back in March. Has anyone else had an experience like this, where their t is normal every now and then, and lower the majority of the time?? So my primary wrote me a script for clomid 50 mg every day, and I took it for the first time yesterday with no effect. How long before I see the benefits of clomid? When my t crashes I have these extreme physical and mental fatigue episodes and I had one the first day I took clomid. . Whrn I have these episodes, my t is lower than 150. Just would like some on advice on how long it takes for clomid to kick in. Thanx.

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 05:58:03 pm »
That is a very large dose of Clomid. Guys here have reported doing well on as little as a quarter pill (12.5 mg) taken every other day. Taking 50 mg every day greatly increases the risk of side effects--estrogenic and vision-related--and sub-optiimal testosterone levels. Testosterone can actually be lower at higher doses, as per the experience of guys reporting on the forum and as expected based on hCG modeling work.

Expect a few weeks for hormone levels to stabilize after starting Clomid. When levels are good the benefits can appear over a period of months. What seems to happen with a virtual overdose such as your PCP prescribed is a short period of feeling better followed by a return to feeling as bad as or worse than you did prior to starting. The long half life of the zuclomifene isomer of Clomid means that it can take weeks for unpleasant side effects to dissipate after one stops taking it.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 56, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
5/2017 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL (348-1197), FT: 16 pg/mL (7.2-24), E2: 50 pg/mL sensitive (8.0-35.0), DHEA-S: 278 ug/dL (71.6-375.4)

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 05:58:03 pm »

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 06:41:22 pm »
As Cat has said that is a massive dose!
Clomid originally was approved for use in women who take the standard 50mg for 5 consecutive days only! and I know from my wifes experience it can have horrendous side effects at this level.
It seems from reading other people protocols which have been dispensed by very well qualified male hormone specialist clinics that your dosage really is far far too high.
Age:56, Height 6' 3" weight 92.5KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Andriol 160mg
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 

Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2017, 07:19:15 pm »
I thought it was a little overkill myself. I think I'm going to half the pills and take one every other day. With lower dosage, what's the normal timeframe of feeling the effects. I'm tired of feeling like crap all the time. Thanx for the help.

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 07:38:55 pm »
yeah that sounds far more sensible.

I felt quite good after 2 days but YMMV others say 1 to 2 weeks however the full benefit can take 6 months or more ( some have said a year) for the full benefits to kick in.
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Age:56, Height 6' 3" weight 92.5KG
2014 Androderm Patches
2014-2016 Andriol 160mg
June 2016 Clomid/Serophene 12.5mg EOD
September 2016 no TRT all natural and supplements for the time being
February 2017 Testosterone cream 100mg daily

Sept 2016
Testosterone   8.2 nmol/l   9-38
Free Testosterone   239 pmol/l   L   250-800
SHBG:  14    nmol/L   9-60
Free Androgen index   586   >400
Oestradiol    112   pmol/L    <190
LH    2.6 IU/L Adult male   2 - 9 IU/L
FSH  1.4 IU/L Adult male L2 - 12 IU/L

22 November
T 6.8  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) L

March 2017
Testosterone:   45.0  nmol/L ( 9-38 ) H ( 1,323 ng/dl )
Free Testosterone:   1512  pmol/L ( 250-800 ) H
SHBG:   17  nmol/L ( 9-60 )
Plasma IGF-1:   227 ug/L ( 55-198 ) H
Plasma cortisol:   434 nmol/L ( 0600-1000 hrs 170-500 nmol/L )
HbA1c:   36 mmol/mol ( 20-40 )
LH:   <0.1 IU/L
FSH:   0.1 IU/L
DHT Plasma Dihydrotestosterone:   7455   pmol/L ( 223 ng/dl ) 

Reference Range Adult males  1000-6000 pmol/L

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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 07:38:55 pm »


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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 01:10:36 am »
Hi there;

I just want to share my experience with you with Clomid;

First I am 45yrs. with low Testosterone (about 300) I have used Clomid in different dosage as follow:
1- 50mg every day; and Average increase in LH, Testosterone increased a little but E2 shot high very fast with less than two weeks. :'(

2- I change the dosage to 25mg every day; Average increase in LH, Testosterone increased and E2 increased fast within approximately three weeks.

3- I change the dosage to 12.5mg every day; less increment in LH, Testosterone increased slow and E2 increased slow. and within one month my testosterone reached 600~700. :).

4- I change the dosage to 12.5mg every other day and testosterone drop fast.

Note:
* I controlled E2 with Arimdex 1 mg as required based on lab sampling (I kept it between 20~30) above that my libido seem to disappear.

* I follow 12.5mg every day for almost one year and my testosterone swing between 450~750

* All the cases Libido improved a little but disappear, on 12.5mg my libido was swinging up and down.

* I used Raw MACA 750mg from now product 2 capsules everyday and ED reduced and libido improved within 1 month. :D

* Take care of some product that contain estrogenic element; for example I took one multivitamin that contain alfalfa and within days I got fast drop in testosterone and when I stopped it, my T increased again.

* Some of multivitamin contain Soy bean take care.

I hope these information is useful to you.


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Re: 30 yr old with low t need clomid advice
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2017, 01:10:36 am »