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A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« on: October 30, 2017, 12:15:44 pm »
Let me apologize in advance, because this post is long-winded (mine tend to be, I type fast). But I am hurtin' these days, so getting ready to make a change.

Some of you may or may not remember me from my temporarily successful run on Clomid (http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=7393.0).

That's a 7 page thread, but I will sum it up in a few lines:

- After having issues with anxiety and heart palpitations, I tested my T levels, they were very low (200s)
- Tried dieting and working out, but it didn't do much
- Went to endocrinologist, she first recommended testosterone cream. I was leary of permantly turning off my nads, so I asked about Clomid
- We gave that a shot, and low and behold my T went up sky high. Up to 1000, and it was even in the 800-1000 range at 12.5 every 2-3 days.
- Downside was my estrogen was also very high at ~60 or higher. She shot down the idea of an aromatase inhibitor. She isn't a male clinic, just a standard endo.
- Since this was an "reset" attempt, we weened slowly off. My T came back down to 450, and then I think 390 or so eventually after many months.
- Not sure what it is now, but I am ready to test it again, think it's probably 300 ish.
- I am going to be 43 in a few weeks. I was 41 when I started on the clomid, and it's been a year or so off. Life has been better since, but challenges below ...


- Did something recently - checked my wife's phone. Honestly I was curious to see what she was doing these days, since our sex life has waned entirely (it's been many months since we've had sex). Didn't know if I would find an affair there, or even a psychological one. What I found crushed me. I was unhappy one night and so came and said "we need to talk". We went through the usual ... we're tired. It's my fault due to porn (which years ago I was a lot more into, maybe once a week now due to lower libido). She didn't take any blame. But later that night, she googled for "what to do not attracted to my husband" as well as "not sexually attracted to my husband". You can bet I was crushed. Angry too, since I was always considered the "catch". Not to sound like a jerk, but I was the one who had lots of options when we were younger and met in college, and previous relationships. She wasn't really having much going on. I still thought her beautiful and loved her, so it worked great. Fast forward 20 years, and now she's not into me. Even though I realized I am a hypocrite, because she doesn't turn me on either (but mainly because she's always been what you would call a prude - lights off, try nothing different. She just likes the good old fashioned standard bang). But if she ever threw something provocative on, I'd be ready to go.

So this has been killing me now for weeks, haven't told her because (A) I don't want to blow my cover, it would turn into me being the bad guy for spying, even though she's the bad guy for failing to be open all these years (who knows how long?) and (B) I get the feeling that confidence, masculinity and such are far better than insecurity, jealousy.

So my original plan was to do something about. I know for many years she saw me as very good looking. I'm 42, not 60. I've been killing myself for years and years to provide for the entire family (she makes peanuts at a part time job, enough to pay for some groceries, I make all the rest, pay for all kids, insurances, mortgages, cars, everything). In doing so I have let myself go for years. It's never been a priority - heck, I commute 5 hours round trip 4 times a week to NYC to make all of this go. If I took a job closer to home, we wouldn't have enough to live the mediocre life we currently live, and I now have an oldest going to college in less than 2 years.

So here are my questions, in no order:

1. Can a wife "smell" low T? Could this be the driver? If other women think I am a "handsome" guy - albeit a few pounds overweight, could this be the main difference? Or is she just done entirely?

2. If a man were to go on TRT, does the wife see that as insecurity, or non-natural and weak? Along these lines, does it make sense to downplay it and/or do it almost in secret? I have to wonder if the only thing worse to a woman who has seen her man get older and soft, is to see him desperately trying to do hormone treatments.

3. I figure no matter what, even if her and I don't work out in the long run, there can't be any harm in me finally putting myself first after 20 years of putting myself last. Whether it's for her, myself, or the next woman ... have you had luck with this? I've stopped trying to be the loving/caring husband, and instead taken more of a path of a normal guy. If I want to golf, I do. Go to gym? I do. Watch football on Sunday? I do. In the past, I was often worried about us being a "couple" and sacrificed these things. Social life is a different challenge, as I work in a far away city, and having spent 20 years working like a dog, social life isn't amazing - not much to work with.

4. Should I consider going back on clomid? I responded well, although it had a side effect (not proven). After coming off of it, a few months later I developed cataracts. The kind that you get from steroids, or diabetes. Neither of which pertain to me. I had my first lens replaced a few months ago, next one in a few months. Do I consider going back on Clomid? It helped my libido, and my anxiety, but still was incredibly hard to lose body fat.

5. If not, what's the latest on TRT? I know that this is probably a very pro-TRT biased board, but my brain WANTS to believe that it's healthy and fine. But of course last thing I want to do is take 8 years off my life due to a cardiac issue or hardened arteries.

6. If I do TRT, and I going to be stuck with no nads, and weekly injections for the rest of my life?

7. Is there any point in trying one more time to get more sleep (I get 6-7 hours), workout more, eat more brazil nuts, celery and parsley and stuff, and do things naturally?

8. I actually don't want to gain much more muscle. I'm already 245 lbs, and a bunch of it is muscle. It's just the fat layer on top of it that I want to shed. When I went on Clomid, I got stronger, and had more energy and libido, but I actually gained some weight in muscle, but saw virtually zero fat loss, even with the exercise.

9. Do I go back to the endocrinologist, who may or may not be greatly qualified (she spoke with plenty of confidence)? Or do I go to a clinic? There is something called Maze Men's Health near me, but it has a few downsides. Whereas the endo lady seems like she's just trying to do her job - she isn't in need of lots of patients as she has plenty, and she goes fully through my insurance, the Maze clinic is one of those places, like many, who say "they dont take insurance because they care about you", and they make you try to get out of network reimbursements. That sounds like it could add up. I also worry about some of these men's clinics really just being marketing experts who know all aging guys are hard up to burn their cash on a fountain of youth snake oil, even if it has deadly side effects. Tell me I am nuts :)

10. Did any of you resolve your sexual situation with your spouse as a result of all of this? My wife and I have a number of issues ... we both like the other person to initiate (I like the woman to be seductive, she likes the man to take charge), she has lots of insecurities sexually, and has always been a little prudish. I've always wanted someone more ... "open minded". But at a minumum, we get along great as friends, still love each other, but I need to have something more intimate than Mr. and Mrs. Parent of 3 kids corporation that we currently run. I'm not sure if she has a major libido issue, or not. My libido issue is probably the low T. Hers may be a husband who isn't appealing because he smells like he has low T.


Thanks in advance, gents.


Age: 43 (as of Nov 2017)
6'0" 245lbs, wavering between 240 and 255

Test results (taken at a time of severe stress and anxiety):
Total Testosterone: 204 (250 - 827)
Free Testosterone: 40.3 (46.0 - 224.0)
TSH: 1.29 (0.40 - 4.50)
Total T4: 8.4 (4.5 - 12.0)
Free T3: 2.7 (2.3 - 4.2)
FSH: 2.6 (1.6 - 8.0)
LH: 1.7 (1.5 - 9.3)
Progesterone: <0.5 ( < 1.5)
SHBG: 19 (10-50)
ACTH: 29 (6 - 50)
Cortisol: 12.8
Estrone:   41  ( <= 68)
Estradiol Ultra Sens: 20  (<= 29)
Estriol:  <0.10

On Clomid, T went up to 1000. E went to 60.
Off Clomid, have come back down to the 300's.

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Re: A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 12:28:18 pm »
Want to add one additional thing - as if you guys need any more from me.

5 years ago my wife and I joined crossfit. I did it for a few years, and enjoyed it, although it was tough work. She loved it as well.

When I had to make more money to make ends meet for us, I had to give up on crossfit because my commute made it impossible. Back then I had an amazing job at a firm that paid great that was 35 mins from my house. Sadly that company shut its doors, and my next option was all the way in NYC. My wife wanted to stay with it because she loved it so much, so for years she's been doing it without me. The gym is a decent gym with good people, and it's not a meat market, plenty of married couples go, although there are of course some younger guys.

The thing is, I've been there, I have seen what it's like. Surrounded by 25-35 year old crossfit regulars (guys) is not really a healthy place for a married 40 year old woman to hang out. Why? You have a number of extreme guys there. Most of which aren't providing for a family, some single, some married, none of them breadwinners. Fitness is their #1 goal. They spend tons of time there. Some are firefighters, cops, or contractors who work their own schedules. Some are just guys with local jobs and 5 minute commutes but are obsessed, working out 6 days a week.

To make a comparison, imagine if I worked out constantly with tons of 25-35 year old female fitness addicts? Women who worried about their abs, their bodies, their hair? Meanwhile I am out working 16 hour days to make it work for my wife and the kids, so that my wife can go to crossfit to oggle the men. I just think that when you are always around that, it's similar to porn, eye candy, etc.

I trust her, I don't think she's doing anything she shouldn't be, but I have no doubt, at least subconsciously, that spending years around guys who think Spartan races and double WODs are the normal thing in life, can't make a white-collared guy like me, who took on 20 hours a week of commuting to pay for everything at the expense of his fitness/health/social life, look good.

This probably reads like sour grapes. It is. Sorry about that.
On a side note, I've started making time for my own working out, but that's at home, at the office, and it pales in comparison to her ability to go 5-6 days a week and work 15 hours a week making $15 an hour.
Age: 43 (as of Nov 2017)
6'0" 245lbs, wavering between 240 and 255

Test results (taken at a time of severe stress and anxiety):
Total Testosterone: 204 (250 - 827)
Free Testosterone: 40.3 (46.0 - 224.0)
TSH: 1.29 (0.40 - 4.50)
Total T4: 8.4 (4.5 - 12.0)
Free T3: 2.7 (2.3 - 4.2)
FSH: 2.6 (1.6 - 8.0)
LH: 1.7 (1.5 - 9.3)
Progesterone: <0.5 ( < 1.5)
SHBG: 19 (10-50)
ACTH: 29 (6 - 50)
Cortisol: 12.8
Estrone:   41  ( <= 68)
Estradiol Ultra Sens: 20  (<= 29)
Estriol:  <0.10

On Clomid, T went up to 1000. E went to 60.
Off Clomid, have come back down to the 300's.

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Re: A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2017, 12:28:18 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 12:44:33 pm »
Relationships are so incredibly complicated.  But I wanted to say one thing and that is that it's not really that it probably doesn't matter whether women can smell testosterone - they can tell whether or not you are excited by them or not.  It's easy to get disillusioned, hurt and many other things and, if your testosterone is low, estradiol high or health is suffering in any number of ways, that can really do it.  So I think health is incredibly relevant myself if you see what I am saying.

Also, I am not saying it's you or anything - no idea the story of your situation.  But a relationship has to have "energy" to keep it going and a lot of things can put the brakes on it, health being one of them.

Anyway, my #1 comment is talk to her.  I think you're stressed and assuming she is thinking a lot of things possibly.  It's possible she was doing those searches for a friend - you don't know until you ask.  And she may want 10X more than you do for your relationship to work out if she is struggling.  But you're not going to know until you talk to her.
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Re: A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2017, 02:22:49 pm »
TRT won't be the answer to all of your problems, unfortunately. 


TRT by itself will only have a mild influence on your physique.  It's not like taking steroids.  It certainly won't help you lose weight much, if you're trying to improve your physical appearance.  You might even gain weight if your estradiol isn't under control.

TRT can be both good and bad for your sex life.  Yes, it can increase your libido, but that can cause problems too if your wife is not in synch.  My libido increased greatly with TRT and my wife of course did not match that, causing me to go through a few weeks of deciding whether to cheat before realizing how stupid I was being because I was in a great marriage.  However, libido is a delicate balance of many things and if you peruse the forums here, you will see some people struggle with it even while on TRT.

Don't get me wrong, TRT can be terrific and I think it's worth considering.  Just don't look for it to be some kind of panacea.  You can always stop TRT, but you'll probably go back to having the crappy levels of T that caused you to try TRT in the first place.

I don't what you're experiencing is that unusual in a long marriage with multiple children.  It's also not unusual to stop being attracted to your spouse at a certain stage in your marriage.

You said you and your wife are still great friends and love each other- why don't you start there and spent the money on some couples' therapy?
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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2017, 05:47:26 pm »
So here are my very novice answers, in no order:

1. Not likely. Most communication is done via non verbal. How you approach and your presence.

2. I think a loving partner would want you to be healthy. Having low T is not a sign of insecurity. It a hormone imbalance

3. May want to consider that you are going to do what it takes to rekindle the flame. You have too may alternatives. Way too soon for that unless you are saying it is not worth the effort. As a divorced guy I promise you will  regret not doing everything possible to save a good marriage. Even if it needs work (all do).

4. If you can find a doctor that will help you manage estrogen. I had the same issue and no doctor in my area would play with AI's. High E can be brutal

5. There is more evidence (as seen here) that healthy hormone levels are beneficial. If you are worried about your arteries focus on your diet and areas that promote inflammation.

6. Your nads may shrink but really what are you doing with them that requires them to be so big. If you reap the positives of TRT (sexual and other) not thinking your slighty smaller nads are going to be an issue.

7. Have yet to see anyone here brag about succeeding this way. If you do you may want to look at all the things that naturally lower your T as well.

8. Likely the high E but everyone is different. You can modify a workout to be toned and not build muscle.

9. People here brag about Defy. Be careful of some Mens Clinics. Not all are created equal. I struggled with high E for over a year. I finally have it under control (40 injected 2x a week)

10. T won't fix everything. Sounds like a couples counselor could help navigate this better.

Don't give up. If your wife is your partner I think you should tell her things have seemed a bit flat but you love her and would like to spice it up. I made it 19 years and it certainly had ups and downs. I never recommend gving up until the last breath is breathed.

God luck sir.

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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 01:42:19 am »
Wow. I donít know where to begin, so Iíll start with you. You need an attitude adjustment. This starts with a complete physical and TRT. Forget the small nads comment, unless you get yourself in order, no one is going to see them except you.  Start working out. Donít fool yourself about ďhaving a lot of muscle underneath the fat.Ē Thatís standard bro speak for I allowed myself to get way out of shape and want to pretend I still got something. Chances are you donít. The ďdoní Have time to workoutĒ comment is another story you tell yourself that holds you back. If you want to workout, you will find a way. Donít confuse going to the gym with this. Get some resistance band and squeeze in 10 minutes in here and there, just be consistent. Start walking with your wife or at lunchtime. I get it, I commute over two hours a day. Catch up on weekends with a harder workout Saturday and Sunday.

Yeah, your wife is looking at younger guys, why wouldnít she? Actually she sounds kind of interesting. A woman that age that works to stay fit is sexy to a lot of us, myself included. Get your hormones in check and get on cialis, 5 mg per day. Stop looking at porn period, start getting aroused by real women, including your CrossFit wife. Iíd assume she has a good body, start paying attention to that. With the higher libido from TRT and the ability that a pde5 will give your sex life should come back as soon as you get in better shape. A few nights of great sex can be a gome changer for you and your wife.

Your attitude towards your wife is pretty bad. Rethink what you feel about her. If this doesnít change none of this will matter. And, if it doesnít matter, then get it together for the next woman. Personally, I think you should work on your relationship. The CrossFit woman sounds intriguing. You probably have a wife with a good body that would be more than willing if you can perform, if sheís not already doing so with someone else.

And the ďIím not 60Ē comment was pretty insulting. Iím 63, workout daily at home, commute 2 1/2 hours daily, five days per week, have 11% body fat, and have sex 5 times per week with my wife of 30 years. Not bragging (well maybe a little) but want to show it can be done.

Sorry to sound tough, but this is all difficult to swallow. You are 45, an age that is make or break for a man. You can get it together or surrender to a bar stool, a remote, and jerking off to porn. Itís your call. The only reason you canít is your attitude. I had to be honest with you. Anything less would be disrespectful.

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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2017, 02:05:17 am »
Mountain Man hit the nail on the head right there! I was in the same exact situation as you are now 1 year ago. As soon as I got on TRT (with Defy, my Dr didnt do much for me) and my junk began to function again I took the wife on a little get away. We had time to devote to one another, talk and sort shit out, and most importantly we made up for lost time in the sex department. Sex is a HUGE part of a relationship, even the bible says to keep your partner satisfied or they will wander. If you are able to masturbate to porn, then you can have sex, even if it is only once a month. When many of us were Low T we couldnt even masturbate, I know I couldnt. After periods of porn with masturbation the brain becomes needy to the porn, without it the brain wont be stimulated, this is a proven fact. Leave the porn alone, especially if she knows you are looking at porn. Imagine how she feels knowing you look at porn but wont fuck her. No wander she is checking out younger stock...

Like Mountain Man, I am not trying to be a asshole, but sometimes it takes a hard dose of reality to see the whole picture. There is no way to sugar coat this situation.

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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2017, 03:26:53 am »
Dude, you donít need TRT. You need to talk to your wife about all this, and THEN consider TRT if your levels are low still. To be frank, TRT should be the last resort, and itís not a miracle cure for a marriage. Google how many guys attempt a restart after being on TRT. Itís not all itís cracked up to be.

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2017, 04:02:13 am »
I absolutely agree Paco, If I could go back in time, I would have never started TRT. I would advise anyone to exhaust every effort to the fullest extent before manipulating hormones.

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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2017, 06:36:06 am »
Another vote for what Paco said. Restored sexual function is not a guarantee. TRT has been of no subjective benefit for me, although I know in theory there should be benefits for long term health.

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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2017, 07:15:55 am »
Fixing my testosterone levels has helped me with women.  My body composition is much better.  But even more importantly, women seem to pick up on little cues from my behavior and mannerisms (confidence and sociability being the biggest things).  Masculinity is such a REAL thing, that I don't find that women really care that I am on hormones (the confidence and muscles are real, not like makeup that you wash off at the end of the day...).  Women only care if you care.  Which is why the bodybuilder preening in mirrors for hours a day is not attractive (even though his body definitely is) -- whether he is on hormones or not, his vanity is not a sign of masculine confidence.

You may have already experienced the best that testosterone has to offer, through your experience with clomid... it's unfortunately hard to say for sure, without trying TRT.  Some guys here have noticed that they have more difficulty with body fat on clomid, although there are no guarantees that TRT would be better for you.

Some doctors will treat low testosterone with clomid indefinitely.  Doctor Saya specializes in this, so I would consider Defy if you wanted to go that route.

If you are unsure about TRT, then going back on clomid (with more estrogen control) would be the most conservative route.  While TRT is not necessarily "for life" there can be significant withdrawal issues and some men find they can't easily get off it.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2017, 09:09:31 am »
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1. Can a wife "smell" low T? Could this be the driver? 

 


Hell yes!
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Labs (Oct 2017) , my T=730, TSH 0.03, T3+T4 mid-range normal.


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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 09:09:53 am »
Wow. I donít know where to begin, so Iíll start with you. You need an attitude adjustment. This starts with a complete physical and TRT. Forget the small nads comment, unless you get yourself in order, no one is going to see them except you.  Start working out. Donít fool yourself about ďhaving a lot of muscle underneath the fat.Ē Thatís standard bro speak for I allowed myself to get way out of shape and want to pretend I still got something. Chances are you donít. The ďdoní Have time to workoutĒ comment is another story you tell yourself that holds you back. If you want to workout, you will find a way. Donít confuse going to the gym with this. Get some resistance band and squeeze in 10 minutes in here and there, just be consistent. Start walking with your wife or at lunchtime. I get it, I commute over two hours a day. Catch up on weekends with a harder workout Saturday and Sunday.

Yeah, your wife is looking at younger guys, why wouldnít she? Actually she sounds kind of interesting. A woman that age that works to stay fit is sexy to a lot of us, myself included. Get your hormones in check and get on cialis, 5 mg per day. Stop looking at porn period, start getting aroused by real women, including your CrossFit wife. Iíd assume she has a good body, start paying attention to that. With the higher libido from TRT and the ability that a pde5 will give your sex life should come back as soon as you get in better shape. A few nights of great sex can be a gome changer for you and your wife.

Your attitude towards your wife is pretty bad. Rethink what you feel about her. If this doesnít change none of this will matter. And, if it doesnít matter, then get it together for the next woman. Personally, I think you should work on your relationship. The CrossFit woman sounds intriguing. You probably have a wife with a good body that would be more than willing if you can perform, if sheís not already doing so with someone else.

And the ďIím not 60Ē comment was pretty insulting. Iím 63, workout daily at home, commute 2 1/2 hours daily, five days per week, have 11% body fat, and have sex 5 times per week with my wife of 30 years. Not bragging (well maybe a little) but want to show it can be done.

Sorry to sound tough, but this is all difficult to swallow. You are 45, an age that is make or break for a man. You can get it together or surrender to a bar stool, a remote, and jerking off to porn. Itís your call. The only reason you canít is your attitude. I had to be honest with you. Anything less would be disrespectful.

I needed to read your response!  Thanks

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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 09:18:22 am »
1.  If you just try to deal with this with your wife, its probably setting yourself up for failure.   These kinds of things are way too emotionally loaded for that.   You need to get a good marriage councilor that you both can see together. 

2.  Never accept "letting yourself go".   Even without the issues between you and your wife, keeping yourself strong and in good health is something everyone should do.   I would go so far as to say that a good diet, regular strength training and cardio throughout ones adult life will save hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical expenses in retirement.   Fitness is like having a second 401k.

3.  TRT won't shrink your balls by that much.   Maybe a little smaller than they are now, but it most likely will hardly be noticeable. 
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Re: A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 11:32:34 am »
At my job, I have to deal with a "difficult to get along with" boss. I am not the problem, I'm laid back, confident and capable. He has issues/fights/distrust, etc with everyone, and I'm the last man standing. So I know it's not me.

HOWEVER, I can only change myself. So, I've made myself the best I know how to be. From attitude, to competence, to involvement, and yes, fitness and physical presentation. I've reviewed myself with introspection and made the changes I could.

It's no different in a marriage. Your partner can't be changed, but you can always improve yourself. Those improvements, if real, will absolutely be noticed.

Word of caution: Women do lose libido, both after childbirth and menopause which may start as early as 45. 2/3 of women over 50 have zero sex drive. It's natural and I wish someone informed me of the truth. You have little time to waste if you want a good sex life. Get yourself in shape, behave like a man, ensure T levels are good and manage your health, your appearance and make sure you have manly interests (any activity that is both male dominated and involves some form of activity) (dirt bikes are a good example) (women hate dirt bikes, but they respect the man who still enjoys them! )
54 years old
Autoimmune Hashimoto's, near zero natural T production
Cause: severe mononucleosis in my early 30's
Weight 200
Height 5' 10"
Very active, daily workouts and some cardio.
Topical 0.75g compounded 10% T cream, rotated daily to shaved armpits, shaved shoulders, remainder on scrotum
190mg NPthyroid (natural dessicated pigs thyroid)
Labs (Oct 2017) , my T=730, TSH 0.03, T3+T4 mid-range normal.


Daily workouts with weights, low-glycemic diet, high in clean protein, very low carb (salad/fish/low fat meats, uncooked veggies, nothing else, ever) Carbs/starch can cause me to have intestinal problems, so I avoid them.

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Re: A series of questions about TRT, wives, and stuff
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 11:32:34 am »