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Arginine

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TRT without HCG didin't work?
« on: November 28, 2017, 06:57:17 am »
I try not to use HCG for few weeks, and I have gone libido, to get orgasm was very difficult, have depressed mood. Start again HCG and feel much better, what HCG do?

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2017, 08:17:21 am »
Many guys report subjective results like this, but it may be hard to pin down what's going on. PeakT has a good article discussing some possible explanations, including increased pregnenolone and activation of LH receptors: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HCG_Increase_Pregnenolone.aspx
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
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5/2017 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL (348-1197), FT: 16 pg/mL (7.2-24), E2: 50 pg/mL sensitive (8.0-35.0), DHEA-S: 278 ug/dL (71.6-375.4)

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2017, 10:27:59 am »
So if I use extra pregnenolone I will increase my libido even more?

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2017, 01:40:02 pm »
I can't recall specific cases where someone reported higher libido from pregnenolone supplementation alone, so I wouldn't give it a high probability. But there can be other benefits.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 56, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
5/2017 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL (348-1197), FT: 16 pg/mL (7.2-24), E2: 50 pg/mL sensitive (8.0-35.0), DHEA-S: 278 ug/dL (71.6-375.4)

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2017, 01:18:38 am »
What other benefits? So what I should use to increase my libido if HCG help a little bit but not full restore my libido? All sex hormones is ok, thyroid also.

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2017, 04:23:27 am »
What other benefits? So what I should use to increase my libido if HCG help a little bit but not full restore my libido? All sex hormones is ok, thyroid also.

Read this article, for example: https://selfhacked.com/blog/top-11-scientific-health-benefits-pregnenolone-including-drawbacks/

Libido is complicated. You might investigate DHT. If you're low then it should be addressed. Otherwise look at neurotransmitters. Just Askin's thread has some ideas on what to experiment with.
I am not a medical doctor; any suggestions are meant to be discussed with your doctor.
Age: 56, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 18 mg T enanthate subQ qod, 250 IU hCG subQ qod, 6.25 mg DHEA orally bid
5/2017 test results: TT: 800 ng/dL (348-1197), FT: 16 pg/mL (7.2-24), E2: 50 pg/mL sensitive (8.0-35.0), DHEA-S: 278 ug/dL (71.6-375.4)

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2017, 06:51:35 pm »
I try not to use HCG for few weeks, and I have gone libido, to get orgasm was very difficult, have depressed mood. Start again HCG and feel much better, what HCG do?

How much hCG are you taking and how often? How much testosterone are you taking?

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2017, 04:50:50 am »
Now I'm on 500iu HCG 3x week, and 80mg testoterone propionate week (injecting ED 12mg).

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2017, 05:00:53 am »
Now I'm on 500iu HCG 3x week, and 80mg testoterone propionate week (injecting ED 12mg).

Its possible that TP is lowering your progesterone too much.
I injected about 25 mg and then 20 mg 4 days later and then 6 mg about 6 days later and my progesterone was not detectable.
Felt terribly depressed with tears pouring out of my eyes for no reason.

Age: 46, HT: 5' 7'', WT: 75 kg

Jan 16 to Oct 16 - Test Enanthate (35mg 2x/week)
Oct 16 to Feb 17 - HCG (500iu 2x/Week)
Feb 17 - Test Propionate (25mg only 2 injections 4 days apart)
Aug 2017 onwards (Astaxanthin + other oils, supplements)
Nov 2017 onwards HCG 300 iu 3Xweek. Very low dose TRT (15 mg /week)
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Total T = 271 ng/dl  (Range 160 - 726)
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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2017, 05:16:13 am »
Now I'm on 500iu HCG 3x week, and 80mg testoterone propionate week (injecting ED 12mg).

Its possible that TP is lowering your progesterone too much.
I injected about 25 mg and then 20 mg 4 days later and then 6 mg about 6 days later and my progesterone was not detectable.
Felt terribly depressed with tears pouring out of my eyes for no reason.

Yes, it can be, about two week without HCG I feel depressed also, when I start HCG it's a little bit better, but still not full recovered, I would say I get back now about 30% libdo, erection, and 50-60% well being.

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2017, 06:33:27 pm »
Now I'm on 500iu HCG 3x week, and 80mg testoterone propionate week (injecting ED 12mg).

Its possible that TP is lowering your progesterone too much.
I injected about 25 mg and then 20 mg 4 days later and then 6 mg about 6 days later and my progesterone was not detectable.
Felt terribly depressed with tears pouring out of my eyes for no reason.

What's the longest time you've taken hCG without a break? Although it's working well for you in the libido department, it still might be a good idea to take a week off hCG every now and then.

Yes, it can be, about two week without HCG I feel depressed also, when I start HCG it's a little bit better, but still not full recovered, I would say I get back now about 30% libdo, erection, and 50-60% well being.

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 11:41:29 pm »


Yes, it can be, about two week without HCG I feel depressed also, when I start HCG it's a little bit better, but still not full recovered, I would say I get back now about 30% libdo, erection, and 50-60% well being.

Out of curiosity, did you ever try pregnenolone?
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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2017, 01:56:21 pm »


Yes, it can be, about two week without HCG I feel depressed also, when I start HCG it's a little bit better, but still not full recovered, I would say I get back now about 30% libdo, erection, and 50-60% well being.

Out of curiosity, did you ever try pregnenolone?

Nope, never try it, but thinking about it.

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 03:18:34 pm »

Nope, never try it, but thinking about it.

It doesn't always work, but it has a good track record when an appropriate dose, i.e. physiological levels are monitored and maintained.
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And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program.aspx
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: TRT without HCG didin't work?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 03:18:34 pm »