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Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« on: March 19, 2016, 09:06:16 pm »
Thanks to Peak Testosterone's suggestion of increasing my Nitric Oxide intake and other changed in my diet, I have practically beat my ED (erectile dysfunction), now I have overnight erections and morning erections.

My refractory period is a bit long, I can achieve erections good enough for PIV sex, but I am not able to ejaculate.
What exactly affects ejaculation and how can I shorten my refractory period?

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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2016, 10:10:38 pm »
Thanks to Peak Testosterone's suggestion of increasing my Nitric Oxide intake and other changed in my diet, I have practically beat my ED (erectile dysfunction), now I have overnight erections and morning erections.

My refractory period is a bit long, I can achieve erections good enough for PIV sex, but I am not able to ejaculate.
What exactly affects ejaculation and how can I shorten my refractory period?

You want to start pulling all those "brain hormones" and see if there is anything unusual:  testosterone, estradiol, DHT, prolactin, DHEA, progesterone are good places to start.  Also, check out this even though it's not exactly what you are describing, it could be related:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/cant_orgasm.aspx
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2016, 10:10:38 pm »

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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2016, 10:31:30 pm »
Dopamine is a major player for our refractory periods; the higher the dopamine the shorter the period.  It's very hard to "just" raise dopamine by itself; I'd look into lowering norepinephrine (if high), which will raise dopamine in the process of being lowered.  High NE is implicated in hypothyroidism and adrenal issues (low cortisol), for example.
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2016, 11:06:21 pm »
Dopamine is a major player for our refractory periods; the higher the dopamine the shorter the period.  It's very hard to "just" raise dopamine by itself; I'd look into lowering norepinephrine (if high), which will raise dopamine in the process of being lowered.  High NE is implicated in hypothyroidism and adrenal issues (low cortisol), for example.

Is there a way to get dopamine tested? How does one raise dopamine naturally?
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2016, 11:18:23 pm »
Dopamine is a major player for our refractory periods; the higher the dopamine the shorter the period.  It's very hard to "just" raise dopamine by itself; I'd look into lowering norepinephrine (if high), which will raise dopamine in the process of being lowered.  High NE is implicated in hypothyroidism and adrenal issues (low cortisol), for example.

Is there a way to get dopamine tested? How does one raise dopamine naturally?

Neurotransmitter testing is notoriously unreliable and controversial.  You could get some sense of dopamine in the blood (as a hormone), which may or may not line up with neurotransmitter levels, by getting a fractionated catecholamine test, which includes dopamine, epinephrine, and norepinephrine.  I've heard dopamine can be a little unreliable, but seeing high norepinephrine is a key indicator of low dopamine, seeing how the first is made from the second.

I'd look at symptoms and signs.  Dopamine governs reward, pleasure, and motivation.  Low dopamine creates a depression-type symptom called anhedonia, loss of pleasure in previously enjoyed activities.  Sound familiar?  Sometimes it's sneaky, in that you don't know how grey things are until you get a bump for whatever reason and realize by contrast that things have been grey all along. 

If you want to go further on this very important neurotransmitter and catecholamine/hormone, I can't recommend Datis Kharrazian's encyclopedic Why Isn't My Brain Working? enough, and it has a whole chapter on dopamine.
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2016, 08:26:45 am »
Dopamine is a major player for our refractory periods; the higher the dopamine the shorter the period.  It's very hard to "just" raise dopamine by itself; I'd look into lowering norepinephrine (if high), which will raise dopamine in the process of being lowered.  High NE is implicated in hypothyroidism and adrenal issues (low cortisol), for example.

Is there a way to get dopamine tested? How does one raise dopamine naturally?

You can get a catecholamine test with LEF that includes dopamine.  However, those are just body plasma levels which doesn't necessarily correspond perfectly with brain levels.  Your brain dopamine is produced by cells in the substantia nigra - just read about Parkinson's for a tour of the issues there.

Natural ways to raise dopamine:  exercise!  And you don't have to go crazy either.  Exercise (without overtraining) throughout the day will really help.  here are some other ideas.  Macuna pruriens will do it, but I think you should pull your dopamine using the LEF test to make sure you are not high first. We've had a couple of guys get palpitations from taking macuna and my guess is that they were already on the high side already - see #15.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/natural_dopamine_increasers.aspx

Low dose deprenyl will also do it, but that is a pharmaceutical.  Green wild oat extract probably does as well - been chatting with someone offline about that - but not a ton of info on that one.  (LEF sells a product.)
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2016, 08:40:41 am »
Green wild oat extract probably does as well - been chatting with someone offline about that - but not a ton of info on that one.  (LEF sells a product.)

I've been trying that as well, for about 3 weeks now, so far haven't noticed anything symptom wise.

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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2016, 09:58:08 am »
Green wild oat extract probably does as well - been chatting with someone offline about that - but not a ton of info on that one.  (LEF sells a product.)

I've been trying that as well, for about 3 weeks now, so far haven't noticed anything symptom wise.

Another guy on here feels that he got huge gains from it.
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 10:50:11 am »
Just Askin has posted his erectile formula here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=9644.0
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Re: Refractory period: how to shorten it?
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2016, 10:50:11 am »