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Title: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 27, 2013, 07:26:20 pm
Just got back from seeing a dermatologist.
He tells me "my acne is caused by testosterone, and there is nothing that
Can be done to get rid of it.  Every guy on T has the same problem"

I need some help on how to get rid of this!
If there is a way I'm certain someone here has the answer!

It mainly located on my chest stomach and back.

It sprung up nearly over night just 2 days after being diagnosed with
Thrush.  I'm leaning towards this fungal infection possibly being the problem?

There must be something to help??
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 27, 2013, 08:38:08 pm
Whoa!  Every guy on HRT has acne?!?  That's just silly, especially for the middle-aged and beyond crowd, which if I remember right, you are in.  I have had very few complaints of acne on this board for example.

As far as the thrush, I'm not sure but sounds reasonable.  If it is acne, they just came up with a study that showed that dairy products and high glycemic diets are big culprits after all:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130220084809.htm

I've got a link with some other ideas here as well:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/acne
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 27, 2013, 10:22:31 pm
You know, I'm so sick of Dr's I could just scream!

To top it all off he was a dermatologist! Which could mean men on trt
Are specifically seeing him for acne problems!
(If you didnt have acne, you wouldn't need a dermatologist!)
And said there was nothing I could do, it will be a constant battle....


Peak you seem to have a link for everything!

Do you know anything about testosterone to DHT conversion
Possibly causing acne?  Ive read that a few other places.

Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 28, 2013, 02:56:48 am

Do you know anything about testosterone to DHT conversion
Possibly causing acne?  Ive read that a few other places.

Yes, TRT can lead to acne as you mentioned.  It's just that it's not that common.  My guess is that it is not really a cause but rather exacerbates the underlying problem.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: JackAndy on February 28, 2013, 04:46:12 am
From what I've heard, the DHT just increases the oil secretions so you have to be that much more diligent about keeping those areas clean and dry. That means changing your shirts more often, maybe always wearing a clean, white cotton undershirt. You could even try some of those anti-bacterial type of shirts which include silver threads etc. I used to get acne on my thighs and what helped me is exfoliating the skin, not with just a loofa, but getting an exfoliating scrub that you rub on. You can feel the difference because your skin will be squeaky smooth like rubber after you finish. I also switched to using a body wash that doesn't have any harmful chemicals in it which can irritate the skin. I mean it's impossible to get rid of them all, but I got as close as reasonably possible. My new bodywash also contains tea tree oil which is a natural disinfectant. To finish it off, I use a lotion to moisturize. When your skin is dry, it secretes more oil. If you keep your skin moisturized with a lotion, it won't make as much oil.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 28, 2013, 03:48:57 pm
From what I've heard, the DHT just increases the oil secretions so you have to be that much more diligent about keeping those areas clean and dry. That means changing your shirts more often, maybe always wearing a clean, white cotton undershirt. You could even try some of those anti-bacterial type of shirts which include silver threads etc. I used to get acne on my thighs and what helped me is exfoliating the skin, not with just a loofa, but getting an exfoliating scrub that you rub on. You can feel the difference because your skin will be squeaky smooth like rubber after you finish. I also switched to using a body wash that doesn't have any harmful chemicals in it which can irritate the skin. I mean it's impossible to get rid of them all, but I got as close as reasonably possible. My new bodywash also contains tea tree oil which is a natural disinfectant. To finish it off, I use a lotion to moisturize. When your skin is dry, it secretes more oil. If you keep your skin moisturized with a lotion, it won't make as much oil.

I've always thought it was likely strongly related to diet.  I guess that part of it is that I still remember a guy in college with horrible, scarring acne.  He went on a raw foods-ish diet based on his description and it completely cleared up his acne.  But he couldn't take eating that way and the acne came right back...
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on March 01, 2013, 12:50:52 am
Well most of my info comes from bodybuilding boards.
It does seem to be fairly common with them!
So it either testosterone or one of the other chemicals
They Injest causing it.  (I'm betting its the T). It seems
Some of the guys with bad cases take accutane?
(Which must be hard on the body as ALOT of guys are afraid of it)
But it appears to really help them..

I've started using a benziol peroxide wash,  and my GD gave me some
Doxycycline which will hopefully help.

This type of acne is horrible!  I must be able to stop this somehow.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on March 01, 2013, 02:56:37 am
Yep, all standard stuff and standard approaches.

I've heard of clindamycin - NASTY stuff by the way - in Retin-A.  But I don't know about doxycycline.  Is it a topical?
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on March 01, 2013, 11:11:25 am
Not topical, it's an oral antibiotic I believe.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on March 01, 2013, 01:34:22 pm
Not topical, it's an oral antibiotic I believe.

Okay.  Well, then watch your intestinal flora.  Almost all of them affect gut flora.  This should be a short term treatment and you should take probiotics in my opinion.  I cannot empahsize enough how important your gut bacteria are:  they affect many counterintuitive things from immunity to blood glucose/insulin regulation.  And on top of that, there is a lot of evidence that hammering your intestines with antibiotics can leave you vulnerable to C. Diff and corresponding colitis, which is just nasty and a life-changing experience.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/What_Are_Probiotics_Good_For
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: JackAndy on March 01, 2013, 05:12:47 pm
Or just wash your skin better. This isn't rocket science.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Questions on March 01, 2013, 07:06:46 pm
I started using clearasil stayclear twice a day and it is already noticeably clearer..
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on March 01, 2013, 11:52:29 pm
Peak, were on the same page! Started probiotics a few days ago!
My thrush is likely caused by previous antibiotic treatment.

And thanks to the poster telling me to wash more....
He's obviously clueless about this type of acne..
(There is no amount of washing to take care if this!)
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on March 02, 2013, 02:04:58 am
Peak, were on the same page! Started probiotics a few days ago!
My thrush is likely caused by previous antibiotic treatment.

And thanks to the poster telling me to wash more....
He's obviously clueless about this type of acne..
(There is no amount of washing to take care if this!)

Well, washing does help a little of course.  Makes sense about the thrush.  And, yes, we all owe our lives to anitbiotics, but they are much harder on the body than most people realize.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 25, 2015, 03:45:04 pm
Timmy

I just use whatever is on sale!
I have had no issues taking "any" probiotic...
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 25, 2015, 04:00:26 pm
Update......

Found a good urologist who is has helped with the Acne quite a bit!!
I've suffered with low T and suffered for years.  Most of the common side effects
I've had to deal with at one time or another and they seemed to be worse for me
Than many others here.

He believes that the "spike" in testosterone after injection was the problem.
I had the pellets planted 10 days ago (after trying gels and IM injections) he believes
Pellets keep a very even T level.

I have to say FINALLY.... Things are falling into place and I feel a lot better!
Morning (and afternoon!!) erections!!  This was not the case with other treatments,
At least not for any length of time. (I'm praying it lasts!)

Don't have any labs yet so I don't know how it's affecting My
E2 or blood cells (both big problems in the past)  but at least I have NO signs of Acne yet
And the little soldier is ready for battle!! :-)



Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 25, 2015, 04:28:23 pm
Update......

Found a good urologist who is has helped with the Acne quite a bit!!
I've suffered with low T and suffered for years.  Most of the common side effects
I've had to deal with at one time or another and they seemed to be worse for me
Than many others here.

He believes that the "spike" in testosterone after injection was the problem.
I had the pellets planted 10 days ago (after trying gels and IM injections) he believes
Pellets keep a very even T level.

I have to say FINALLY.... Things are falling into place and I feel a lot better!
Morning (and afternoon!!) erections!!  This was not the case with other treatments,
At least not for any length of time. (I'm praying it lasts!)

Don't have any labs yet so I don't know how it's affecting My
E2 or blood cells (both big problems in the past)  but at least I have NO signs of Acne yet
And the little soldier is ready for battle!! :-)

Great news.  I remember all your sufferings.  Didn't you believe that you were going to have to go off of HRT at one point?

Pellets deliver nice steady day to day levels, which probably helps some guys.  However, there is a tapering off slowly and so the problem some guys have is that their docs let their testosterone fall too far. 

Also, undecanoate (Nebido) delivers a similar profile to pellets and is much less invasive.  The problem is that the urologist gets a nice reimbursement for the pellets, so they tend to push it. 
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 25, 2015, 05:14:18 pm
Yes, the polycythemia was so bad I was getting my blood withdrawn 3x a week for 6 weeks to get in the normal range!  Then the acne just went haywire.. I could control it with antibiotics, but that schedule was 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off... (( not what I want to do for the rest of my life)

What is nebido?

If all keeps going well we will likely increase pellets next round.
He is testing me at 2 weeks (peak levels for pellets) then at 6 weeks looking for a dropoff.
He seems to be up on things
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 25, 2015, 05:35:08 pm
Is nebido available in the US?
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 25, 2015, 05:38:27 pm
Yes, the polycythemia was so bad I was getting my blood withdrawn 3x a week for 6 weeks to get in the normal range!  Then the acne just went haywire.. I could control it with antibiotics, but that schedule was 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off... (( not what I want to do for the rest of my life)

What is nebido?

If all keeps going well we will likely increase pellets next round.
He is testing me at 2 weeks (peak levels for pellets) then at 6 weeks looking for a dropoff.
He seems to be up on things

It's a large volume injection of a different testosterone ester.  It was approved about a year ago or so I believe here in the U.S.
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Prsartist on February 25, 2015, 05:46:39 pm
Thanks
Will look into that! Do you have any info on what kind of T gains people typically expierence with it?
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: PeakT on February 25, 2015, 06:27:32 pm
Thanks
Will look into that! Do you have any info on what kind of T gains people typically expierence with it?

That's super dependent on when they measure it.  Check out this guy:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6006.msg52221#msg52221
"Nebido 4ml peaked me to  1500 ng/dl and e2 followed shortly. No the peak is lower, but feels as good. Because lower E I think."

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6573.msg55173#msg55173
"Testosterone(5 weeks after injection with nebido) 15 nmol/L = 433 ng/dl"
Title: Re: Need some advise on acne
Post by: Sighalot on February 25, 2015, 08:39:54 pm
I've always thought it was likely strongly related to diet.
I have never noticed much of a difference in amount of acne but i do feel my skin get more oily with chips and chocolate.