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Title: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 01, 2017, 07:30:26 pm
More evidence Peak is on to an answer, plant based is the way to go


http://www.sebastiangrubb.com/resource/article/Mastering-Diabetes-Interview-with-Cyrus-Khambatta-PhD


I was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes in my senior year of college in 2002, and adopted a low carbohydrate diet high in fat and protein, because that's what my doctor and nutritionist told me to do at the time.

I felt terrible and my blood glucose was all over the place, so I instead adopted a low-fat, plant-based whole foods diet and have been able to reduce my insulin usage by 40% while increasing my intake of carbohydrates by 500%.

I teach people how to adopt a low-fat, plant-based whole foods diet for increased insulin sensitivity, and I love EVERY minute of my job.
I received a PhD in a Nutritional Biochemistry at UC Berkeley in 2012 and consider it to be one of my wisest decisions. It provided me insight into the true detriment of saturated fat, and of the true power of a low-fat, plant-based whole foods diet in preventing and reversing heart disease, diabetes and cancer.

Id also look into
Weston A. Price Foundation (WAPF), co-founded in 1999 by Sally Fallon (Morell) and nutritionist Mary G. Enig (PhD), is a U.S. 501(c)(3) non-profit organization dedicated to "restoring nutrient-dense foods to the American diet through education, research and activism."
http://www.westonaprice.org/holistic-healthcare/the-invisible-toothbrush/
One of the many risk factors for heart disease is poor dental health. The root cause for both diseases is probably the sameľnutritional deficiencies, including deficiency of vitamin C. In this article, Dr. Emmanuel Cheraskin presents evidence that serum vitamin C levels are just as important as brushing for the prevention of tooth decay. His research also explains why primitive peoples on nutrient-dense diets have no tooth decay, in spite of the fact that they do not brush their teeth.
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: PeakT on February 10, 2017, 04:26:13 pm
Well, as far as health, I think both flexitarian and vegetarian diets will produce similar results to plant based probably.  (Just my opinion as a layman.)  But, when you throw in sustainability and the ethics of factory farm livestock, plant-diets are the clear winner in my mind. 

Moving this to main board as we now have a few guys who are plant based and this will be of interest to them.
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 10, 2017, 08:30:20 pm
Well, as far as health, I think both flexitarian and vegetarian diets will produce similar results to plant based probably.  (Just my opinion as a layman.)  But, when you throw in sustainability and the ethics of factory farm livestock, plant-diets are the clear winner in my mind. 

Moving this to main board as we now have a few guys who are plant based and this will be of interest to them.

sup
so I had a repairman at my crib and he saw a bottle of Life Extension natural prostate---and asked me if it worked
I said I dunno, I dont have bph issues BUT I did read that specific forumula caused ED in some dudes, so I dont take it
if he wants to prevent BPH issues he needs to
-eat cranberries/grapefruit
-eat a low fat diet(under 15-20%)
make sure e2 is in a 20-30 range
-maybe take daily cialis?

and eat tomatoes and broccoli
According to this research, eating broccoli along with tomatoes maximizes the cancer protection both foods provide.

In the study, rats fed a tomato-and-broccoli combo had way less prostate tumor growth than rats given diets containing either food alone or normal rat chow diets supplemented with lycopene (a cancer-fighting carotenoid isolated from tomatoes) or finasteride (the drug commonly prescribed to men with benign prostatic hyperplasia or BPH).
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=130

other veggies to eat are:
 broccoli, cooked cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, kale, and sauerkraut)
spinach, romaine lettuce, garlic, yams, and mushrooms
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=btnews&dbid=45


I know there are several pages on the topic, but I am in a rush and I dont have time to sift out any good info.  am I missing anything on how to avoid/cure bph?

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BPH_Benign_Prostate_Enlargement
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_BPH
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: PeakT on February 12, 2017, 04:34:58 am
Well, as far as health, I think both flexitarian and vegetarian diets will produce similar results to plant based probably.  (Just my opinion as a layman.)  But, when you throw in sustainability and the ethics of factory farm livestock, plant-diets are the clear winner in my mind. 

Moving this to main board as we now have a few guys who are plant based and this will be of interest to them.

sup
so I had a repairman at my crib and he saw a bottle of Life Extension natural prostate---and asked me if it worked
I said I dunno, I dont have bph issues BUT I did read that specific forumula caused ED in some dudes, so I dont take it
if he wants to prevent BPH issues he needs to
-eat cranberries/grapefruit
-eat a low fat diet(under 15-20%)
make sure e2 is in a 20-30 range
-maybe take daily cialis?

and eat tomatoes and broccoli
According to this research, eating broccoli along with tomatoes maximizes the cancer protection both foods provide.

In the study, rats fed a tomato-and-broccoli combo had way less prostate tumor growth than rats given diets containing either food alone or normal rat chow diets supplemented with lycopene (a cancer-fighting carotenoid isolated from tomatoes) or finasteride (the drug commonly prescribed to men with benign prostatic hyperplasia or BPH).
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=130

other veggies to eat are:
 broccoli, cooked cabbage, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts, kale, and sauerkraut)
spinach, romaine lettuce, garlic, yams, and mushrooms
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=btnews&dbid=45


I know there are several pages on the topic, but I am in a rush and I dont have time to sift out any good info.  am I missing anything on how to avoid/cure bph?

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BPH_Benign_Prostate_Enlargement
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_BPH

Like a true evangelist...
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 12, 2017, 04:56:07 pm

Like a true evangelist...

not at all

consider the guy is looking for directions to the movies.
I told him directions on how to GET to the movies, do I care if he goes? not at all
but I saw the fact he was thinkiing other directions(a Pill) would get him there and no, his directios were wrong.
I am not an evangelist( person who seeks to convert others to the Christian faith, especially by public preaching.)
and just someone who corrects you in either your grammer( our team did good today!)  or when your thinking about "cures" has been misguided by the commercialization of health

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51U-dhiF1cL._SY344_PJlook-inside-v2,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 12, 2017, 08:11:58 pm
Well, as far as health, I think both flexitarian and vegetarian diets will produce similar results to plant based probably.  (Just my opinion as a layman.)  But, when you throw in sustainability and the ethics of factory farm livestock, plant-diets are the clear winner in my mind. 

Moving this to main board as we now have a few guys who are plant based and this will be of interest to them.

I'm inclined to agree but despite my inclinations there's quite abit of evidence that fully plantbased (i.e. vegan) makes a significant difference.   Dr Greger keeps pointing to more and more evidence of that.

Since there are multiple other reasons and since I've actually come to prefer eating entirely vegan I don't invest all that much energy in figuring it out.   Once you get past the barrier of it being different it's actually not especially difficult and rather enjoyable.
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: PeakT on February 12, 2017, 08:21:38 pm


I'm inclined to agree but despite my inclinations there's quite abit of evidence that fully plantbased (i.e. vegan) makes a significant difference.   Dr Greger keeps pointing to more and more evidence of that.

Since there are multiple other reasons and since I've actually come to prefer eating entirely vegan I don't invest all that much energy in figuring it out.   Once you get past the barrier of it being different it's actually not especially difficult and rather enjoyable.

Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 12, 2017, 11:28:11 pm
Well, as far as health, I think both flexitarian and vegetarian diets will produce similar results to plant based probably.  (Just my opinion as a layman.)  But, when you throw in sustainability and the ethics of factory farm livestock, plant-diets are the clear winner in my mind. 

Moving this to main board as we now have a few guys who are plant based and this will be of interest to them.

LOLZ
do we really need to tell guys,"in my opinion"?  or sign our usernames after the post?

at any rate, I dont know any differences between a vegetarian and a vegan except emotional ones
Ive seen this movie called LION KING and it has a song "circle of life" and we are top of the food chain and we can eat whatever we want, cause we can
If you die in your house, your cat or dog, etc will eat you...are they "bad" cause they ate you?
nah
we are animals, we eat other animals
that being said, I dunno when I ate meat last...
(http://vegetarian.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/1002/vegetarian-vegetarians-making-dinner-a-religion-demotivational-poster-1265371283.jpg)
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 12, 2017, 11:30:38 pm


Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 13, 2017, 01:26:33 am


Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)


You assume that one's arteries are only thing one might care about in this world.
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Cataceous on February 13, 2017, 02:16:32 am
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)

You assume that one's arteries are only thing one might care about in this world.

I've got to admit that I don't lose sleep over bee exploitation.
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 13, 2017, 11:09:59 am
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)

You assume that one's arteries are only thing one might care about in this world.

I've got to admit that I don't lose sleep over bee exploitation.

Most people don't including most vegans. Fur though is not made by bees. 
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 13, 2017, 07:13:11 pm


Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)


You assume that one's arteries are only thing one might care about in this world.

as is true on this forum/board

I merely defined words and linked it to what this site is about

people care about whatever they want, but this site is about our individual health not about if bees are ok, that kinda jibber-jabber needs to be in the other topics
Science Lovers, Concerns, Ideas and Hot Topics

unless bess DO affect my arteries? LOLZ
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 13, 2017, 08:33:20 pm


Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!
pescatarians no meat, cept fish
vegetarians  no meat
vegan=a person who does not eat or use animal products. (as if wearing fur is bad for your arteries??)


You assume that one's arteries are only thing one might care about in this world.

as is true on this forum/board

I merely defined words and linked it to what this site is about

people care about whatever they want, but this site is about our individual health not about if bees are ok, that kinda jibber-jabber needs to be in the other topics
Science Lovers, Concerns, Ideas and Hot Topics

unless bess DO affect my arteries? LOLZ

Right ... *I* was the one who threw in all the off-topic jibber-jabber  ... right ....

Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 13, 2017, 08:39:53 pm


Right ... *I* was the one who threw in all the off-topic jibber-jabber  ... right ....

wasnt implying that anyone threw the topic off, just that this isnt the place for that line of whatever you want to call it

go start a new thread since that topic interests you, right?

 8)
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 13, 2017, 10:19:14 pm


Right ... *I* was the one who threw in all the off-topic jibber-jabber  ... right ....

wasnt implying that anyone threw the topic off, just that this isnt the place for that line of whatever you want to call it

go start a new thread since that topic interests you, right?

 8)

"at any rate, I dont know any differences between a vegetarian and a vegan except emotional ones
Ive seen this movie called LION KING and it has a song "circle of life" and we are top of the food chain and we can eat whatever we want, cause we can
If you die in your house, your cat or dog, etc will eat you...are they "bad" cause they ate you?
nah
we are animals, we eat other animals"

I agree that the discussion probably should center on the health aspects of veg*n diets, but it was not I who decided to take it elsewhere.  It's kind of rich that you of all people appoint yourself the relevance police.

Go easy on me, bro.   Those of us who didn't do our PhD's at Berkeley sometimes just aren't smart enough to see the strict nutritional relevance of basing one's moral compass on Elton John songs, hackneyed jokes about bad hunters, or the ghoulish prospect of being eaten by one's pets.

It's a general rule that if you don't want a conversation to go someplace, you don't take it there.   You don't get to say "I'm only interested in discussing the nutritional aspects of plant-based diets, and this is not the place for anything that veers the least bit off that topic.   Now, here's why veganism is morally silly."   

As the kids say, ROFLMAO.

I'm going to continue to post in this thread because it interests me, but feel free to ignore me, as will I you henceforth.





Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Regulus on February 13, 2017, 10:28:31 pm


I'm inclined to agree but despite my inclinations there's quite abit of evidence that fully plantbased (i.e. vegan) makes a significant difference.   Dr Greger keeps pointing to more and more evidence of that.

Since there are multiple other reasons and since I've actually come to prefer eating entirely vegan I don't invest all that much energy in figuring it out.   Once you get past the barrier of it being different it's actually not especially difficult and rather enjoyable.

Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!

Yeah, Peak, I'm rather confused by the studies.   Common sense says to me that someone who is pescatarian but 98% plant based should be darn close to vegan in terms of health benefits.   I mean, even if fish, eggs and dairy aren't the best stuff for you in the world, it's not like they are horrible toxins.   Maybe in large quantities they're awful, but the dose makes the poison.

I don't know which exact study you are referencing, but I have seem plenty like it.

What baffles me is Dr Greger.   He certainly has his point of view, but I haven't found him to be ever dishonest about it.   He keeps citing studies that show big differences from omnivore to vegetarian, and then another big leap from vegetarian to vegan.  Things like a miraculous leap from eating one egg a week to zero eggs a week.    Too good to be credible differences ... how much harm can one egg possibly do?   And yet the science is there.   And yet there is other contradictory science.

Obviously there's something going on, but I don't know what.

I do think it is clear that there's no harm and at least some benefit in going heavily if not entirely plant-based, and so if one is so inclined for whatever reason, it's not a bad thing.  I'm not aware of any credible science that shows that one is worse off for going plant-based (unless you're a "beer and chips" vegan.)
Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: Retardo on February 14, 2017, 07:03:32 am


I agree that the discussion probably should center on the health aspects of veg*n diets, but it was not I who decided to take it elsewhere.  It's kind of rich that you of all people appoint yourself the relevance police.

Go easy on me, bro.   Those of us who didn't do our PhD's at Berkeley sometimes just aren't smart enough to see the strict nutritional relevance of basing one's moral compass on Elton John songs, hackneyed jokes about bad hunters, or the ghoulish prospect of being eaten by one's pets.

It's a general rule that if you don't want a conversation to go someplace, you don't take it there.   You don't get to say "I'm only[/i] interested in discussing the nutritional aspects of plant-based diets, and [this is not the place[/b][/i] for anything that veers the least bit off that topic.   Now, here's why veganism is morally silly."   

As the kids say, ROFLMAO.

I'm going to continue to post in this thread because it interests me, but feel free to ignore me, as will I you henceforth.
dude, you have high test, right?
use it then
if you dont think yourself a god who can self-appoint himself whatever the fk he feels like, id figure out whats wrong
you learn the rules, then you learn how to exploit the rules

you think any girl is going to try to have sex with you?  no, you have to have sex with them, girls play D

same with anything else, you dont wait for someone to tell you, you do what you want and they tell you to  stop, etc

sheesh
nothing new there
"general rule"?"??
whiat the F are youtalking about?
oh wait,//////
dont care....

I done with this thread, post in it all you want, its all yours, "henceforth"   LOLZ dang  harvurd edumaction, eh"  LOLZ

Title: Re: diabetes and plant based diets
Post by: PeakT on February 14, 2017, 06:59:17 pm


I'm inclined to agree but despite my inclinations there's quite abit of evidence that fully plantbased (i.e. vegan) makes a significant difference.   Dr Greger keeps pointing to more and more evidence of that.

Since there are multiple other reasons and since I've actually come to prefer eating entirely vegan I don't invest all that much energy in figuring it out.   Once you get past the barrier of it being different it's actually not especially difficult and rather enjoyable.

Well, I was just going by the studies.  I'm sure you've seen the recent one where vegan, pescatarians and vegetarians were all neck-in-neck. But it could be that a well done plant-based diet could be the ultimate - I hope so!

Yeah, Peak, I'm rather confused by the studies.   Common sense says to me that someone who is pescatarian but 98% plant based should be darn close to vegan in terms of health benefits.   I mean, even if fish, eggs and dairy aren't the best stuff for you in the world, it's not like they are horrible toxins.   Maybe in large quantities they're awful, but the dose makes the poison.

I don't know which exact study you are referencing, but I have seem plenty like it.

What baffles me is Dr Greger.   He certainly has his point of view, but I haven't found him to be ever dishonest about it.   He keeps citing studies that show big differences from omnivore to vegetarian, and then another big leap from vegetarian to vegan.  Things like a miraculous leap from eating one egg a week to zero eggs a week.    Too good to be credible differences ... how much harm can one egg possibly do?   And yet the science is there.   And yet there is other contradictory science.

Obviously there's something going on, but I don't know what.

I do think it is clear that there's no harm and at least some benefit in going heavily if not entirely plant-based, and so if one is so inclined for whatever reason, it's not a bad thing.  I'm not aware of any credible science that shows that one is worse off for going plant-based (unless you're a "beer and chips" vegan.)

Well, if there is a connection it will probably have to do with gut health.  For example, perhaps TMAO?  Or gut flora?