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Title: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2017, 12:29:26 pm
You guys know from my sage brew grey hair treatment that anti-inflammatories (probably) seem to have success against grey hair.  Peroxide levels are supposedly the culprit and so this makes sense.  More evidence of this was indicated in this recent study where grey/white hair is tied to heart disease, i.e. inflammation may be the root cause of both:

http://www.worldhealth.net/news/grey-hair-may-predict-heart-disease/

"Gray Hair May Predict Heart Disease

Posted on April 11, 2017, 6 a.m. in Cardio-Vascular Diagnostics Skin-Hair

Research reveals a link between men with gray hair may and a heightened risk of heart disease.

 Gray Hair May Predict Heart Disease

Most people associate gray hair with the natural aging process. However, new research indicates that gray hair might mean more than the fact that one is aging. Research made public at the recent EuroPrevent 2017 event links the presence of gray hair to a heightened risk of heart disease in men. This is not to say that every man who has gray hair is at risk of a heart attack. Yet it seems as though the graying of hair and atherosclerosis have similar mechanisms like oxidative stress, senescence of functional cells, DNA repair, hormonal changes and inflammation. Additional research is necessary to determine the cutaneous signs of risk that could help medical professionals take preventive action early on in the cardiovascular disease process."
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Retardo on April 20, 2017, 12:32:09 pm
You guys know from my sage brew grey hair treatment that anti-inflammatories (probably) seem to have success against grey hair. 

this doesnt make a lot of sense
i asked hte guys over at the vit C forum
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Bud Smith on April 20, 2017, 12:37:00 pm
Jeez i'm just 36 and nearly completely grey....
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Retardo on April 20, 2017, 12:38:11 pm
Jeez i'm just 36 and nearly completely grey....
Im around that age, but older
and I'm not gray at all!
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Bud Smith on April 20, 2017, 01:04:21 pm
You are living the dream retardo.
Funnily enough if i dip my head in diesel it completely eradicates my grey hair, but it's a little messy.
A grey head of hair is fine, its grey pubes we should really be worried about.. My blood pressure will double the day i find one...
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: lowtguy2015 on April 20, 2017, 07:00:00 pm
I think the sage brew is just a dye. If it was more than that, don't you think there would be a variety of successful treatments by now? I mean, anti-inflammatories are not new and the guys in hair loss forums have been putting all kinds of stuff on their hair for decades (including various anti-inflammatories). Improvements to grey hair would have been pretty darn obvious by now I think.
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Boxcar on April 20, 2017, 07:14:54 pm
Jeez i'm just 36 and nearly completely grey....

My grandmother was mostly grey at that age (when she was still having kids, no less). She is 94 now, with not a hint of heart disease. So if you are going grey really early, that may just be genetic.
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2017, 09:47:35 pm
I think the sage brew is just a dye. If it was more than that, don't you think there would be a variety of successful treatments by now? I mean, anti-inflammatories are not new and the guys in hair loss forums have been putting all kinds of stuff on their hair for decades (including various anti-inflammatories). Improvements to grey hair would have been pretty darn obvious by now I think.

Well, first of all, its not a miracle cure.  It just got rid of a lof of grey but certainly nothing you could sell.  And the reason I dont think it's a die is that it changes the color of the roots.
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2017, 09:51:19 pm
You guys know from my sage brew grey hair treatment that anti-inflammatories (probably) seem to have success against grey hair. 

this doesnt make a lot of sense
i asked hte guys over at the vit C forum

Well sage boosts catalase and catalase is certainly well-respected to n the research:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usatoday.com/story/2388619/

"Several supplement makers say the enzyme catalase can prevent the growth of gray hair."
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Kierkegaard on April 21, 2017, 04:26:49 am
Peroxide is the main culprit in grey hair?  Dang it, I'm trying to remember lectures from Ben Lynch on the enzymes that break down peroxide.  I think glutathione is the big one here. 
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Nocturne on April 21, 2017, 06:08:17 am
Think modern medicine wants to CURE or PREVENT heart disease?

TREATMENTS, they like.  CURES...  Not so much.
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 22, 2017, 01:18:23 am
Think modern medicine wants to CURE or PREVENT heart disease?

TREATMENTS, they like.  CURES...  Not so much.

Not to be too jaded, but there are many examples of this:

a) Most cardiologists seem to hate lifestyle intervention, and, of course, those would eliminate 90% of their business.

b) Most endocrinologists seem to hate TRT, and, of course, TRT would probably remove a third of their business (diabetes)



Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 22, 2017, 01:18:50 am
Peroxide is the main culprit in grey hair?  Dang it, I'm trying to remember lectures from Ben Lynch on the enzymes that break down peroxide.  I think glutathione is the big one here.

If you find those, let me know.
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: Baldur2630 on April 22, 2017, 07:01:05 am
Think modern medicine wants to CURE or PREVENT heart disease?

TREATMENTS, they like.  CURES...  Not so much.

Not to be too jaded, but there are many examples of this:

a) Most cardiologists seem to hate lifestyle intervention, and, of course, those would eliminate 90% of their business.

b) Most endocrinologists seem to hate TRT, and, of course, TRT would probably remove a third of their business (diabetes)
I've been trying to get this across to people for years. Doctors have been trained to treat SYMPTOMS, not diseases. It would be a complete disaster for the medical profession, the drugs industry, the teaching hospitals, the regulatory bodies, the high street pharmacies and all the so-called health care professionals if the majority of people were healthy. If you think your government want you to live to a ripe old age, you are out of your mind. Once you stop working and paying taxes, the sooner you shuffle off your mortal coil and join the choir invisible, the better. Think how much money that they will save on your pension and they can pocket a bit more for their next Mercedes or holiday in the Bahamas!
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: lowtguy2015 on April 22, 2017, 10:05:02 am
Would a dye just wick down into the root of the follicle? Seems possible, but not sure. I guess what I don't understand is the sage thing has been around for a long time and somehow a non-dying effect has been overlooked? And many topical anti-inflammatories of all sorts have been applied to the head (for a variety of things like hairloss, skin conditions, etc.) but no improvement to grey hair. Its just not adding up to me.

Also, you could make the argument that all kinds things have been put the face of people with grey facial hair. Yet somehow this pretty obvious connection has been missed?
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 22, 2017, 11:37:37 am
Think modern medicine wants to CURE or PREVENT heart disease?

TREATMENTS, they like.  CURES...  Not so much.

Not to be too jaded, but there are many examples of this:

a) Most cardiologists seem to hate lifestyle intervention, and, of course, those would eliminate 90% of their business.

b) Most endocrinologists seem to hate TRT, and, of course, TRT would probably remove a third of their business (diabetes)
I've been trying to get this across to people for years. Doctors have been trained to treat SYMPTOMS, not diseases. It would be a complete disaster for the medical profession, the drugs industry, the teaching hospitals, the regulatory bodies, the high street pharmacies and all the so-called health care professionals if the majority of people were healthy. If you think your government want you to live to a ripe old age, you are out of your mind. Once you stop working and paying taxes, the sooner you shuffle off your mortal coil and join the choir invisible, the better. Think how much money that they will save on your pension and they can pocket a bit more for their next Mercedes or holiday in the Bahamas!

We don't have to be completely jaded however.  There are now a rowing number of doctors out there now mixing in a good bit of functional, lifestyle and preventative medicine into their practice.  There are a solid percentage of patients now looking for doctors who just don't immediately hand them a pharmaceutical or knee jerk recommend a surgery/procedure, etc.  But we have a long ways to go - at least here in the U.S.  I think other countries are farther along in this regard...
Title: Re: Grey Hair Linked to Heart Disease
Post by: PeakT on April 23, 2017, 09:11:54 am
I got asked if TRT could really reverse adult onset diabetes and split it out here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=12594.0