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Title: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 19, 2013, 09:58:06 pm
Hi,

I just received the nitric oxide test strips and tested myself. I'm in the depleted range which could explain my ED.  How accurate are the strips? It turned colors almost immediately. Was it supposed to work that fast?

thanks
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 19, 2013, 10:09:39 pm
Hi,

I just received the nitric oxide test strips and tested myself. I'm in the depleted range which could explain my ED.  How accurate are the strips? It turned colors almost immediately. Was it supposed to work that fast?

thanks

If anyone is wondering what he is talking about, here is an interview I did with Dr. Nathan Bryan, developer of the test strips:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Nitric_Oxide_Test

Well, call Neogenis for the official answer, but, from what I remember, they work fast.  And imo, when it said depleted, I felt depleted, i.e. it seemed quite reliable to me.

Can't remember your age, but  you need to work (obviously) on your endothelial function and get those arteries in shape.  This is the curse of modern living - slowly damaged, hardened arteries being covered with arterial plaque:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Endothelial_Dysfunction

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Clear_Your_Arteries

And a couple of ideas for you.  The first is nitrates.  And the second is nitrates.

These make a huge difference for us guys with damaged endotheliums.  Now, just because you show up depleted, it doesn't necessarily mean your endothelium is trashed.  I've tried it on my 14 year old and he came up that way.  However, he doesn't eat that good I am said to say.  But if you are over about 40, the odds are that that is a sign you need some help and so nitrates - and I'm talking about food - will help along with the items in the links above.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Beet_the_Odds_Review

Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: Polewalker on April 19, 2013, 10:38:34 pm
@ Fixme here's how I use the strips each morning for three mornings. I would test then I would go three more days without testing.  I did this cycle through all the strips.  And only one day came out normal.  The rest were below.  Hope that helps
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 19, 2013, 10:39:17 pm
@ Fixme here's how I use the strips each morning for three mornings. I would test then I would go three more days without testing.  I did this cycle through all the strips.  And only one day came out normal.  The rest were below.  Hope that helps

How did you get yourself back to normal? 
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 19, 2013, 11:00:28 pm
Hi,

I just received the nitric oxide test strips and tested myself. I'm in the depleted range which could explain my ED.  How accurate are the strips? It turned colors almost immediately. Was it supposed to work that fast?

thanks

If anyone is wondering what he is talking about, here is an interview I did with Dr. Nathan Bryan, developer of the test strips:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Nitric_Oxide_Test

Well, call Neogenis for the official answer, but, from what I remember, they work fast.  And imo, when it said depleted, I felt depleted, i.e. it seemed quite reliable to me.

Can't remember your age, but  you need to work (obviously) on your endothelial function and get those arteries in shape.  This is the curse of modern living - slowly damaged, hardened arteries being covered with arterial plaque:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Endothelial_Dysfunction

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Clear_Your_Arteries

And a couple of ideas for you.  The first is nitrates.  And the second is nitrates.

These make a huge difference for us guys with damaged endotheliums.  Now, just because you show up depleted, it doesn't necessarily mean your endothelium is trashed.  I've tried it on my 14 year old and he came up that way.  However, he doesn't eat that good I am said to say.  But if you are over about 40, the odds are that that is a sign you need some help and so nitrates - and I'm talking about food - will help along with the items in the links above.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Beet_the_Odds_Review

I'm 31 and physically very healthy so this is surprising. Is it possible for a guy with a toned muscular body and able to run a 6 minute mile to have NO and endothelium problems?  How did this happen? I have never been out of shape? I did have tons of stress for years though (through a stressful job).
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 19, 2013, 11:48:02 pm

I'm 31 and physically very healthy so this is surprising. Is it possible for a guy with a toned muscular body and able to run a 6 minute mile to have NO and endothelium problems?  How did this happen? I have never been out of shape? I did have tons of stress for years though (through a stressful job).

Well, yes and no.  As you know, endothelial damage is progressive and comes from a Western lifestyle.  The big culprits are inflammation, lack of antioxidants, decreased NO and testosterone and elevated triglycerides and LDL.  If your blood pressure is prehypertensive, this will contribute as well.

Usually guys in their 30's do not have that many issues with their endotheliums.  They can still drink pretty heavily and consume a lot of saturated fat and do other things that slow down blood flow.  And the fact you are an exerciser will really help.

However, exercise will not magically protect someone, and so, even at your age, you've likely incurred significant damage.  It really depends mostly on how you eat.  Imo diet is #1 imo with exercise #2 and stress management #3 in terms of heart disease and endothelial dysfunction.  That's how I'd rank it anyway.  (Respectable hormone levels are also very important of course.)

Now I don't know how you eat, so I'm not accusing you of anything.  But it is very unlikely you would have gotten that reading if you'd eaten a lot of plant based, low saturated fat food with decent nitrates in them within about four hours. So that's why I'm asking you about diet. 

Now, by the way, at 31 if you start clearing out that arterial plaque, you will be way ahead of 99% of your peers.  Keep those arteries nice and clean.  I wish so much I had followed that advice, but I had to learn the hard way.  (Years and years of low testosterone did not help either.)

If you just don't think you can take a Low Fat Diet, then I'd recommend a Mediterranean or vegetarian or DASH Diet.  These have a lot of excellent research behind them and all of them can really boost blood flow and endothelial function.  (I'll be glad to send you a copy of my book if you don't have it.  Just PM me if you are int'd.)

Again, you may already be doing all those things and so just let me know if so...
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: Polewalker on April 20, 2013, 01:13:06 am
@ Tpeak the only thing I can think is that one strips was bad.  And that was on the seventh test.  So average out the 10 test trips and I'm way below NO.  So that's when I started taking the supplements and losing weight.  And this form has helped me a lot and you.  I'm still thinking about a year away.  I will be in good health for 65-year-old.  it's been one year since I took the test and started my journey.

Thanks, all on the board
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2013, 01:38:09 am
@ Tpeak the only thing I can think is that one strips was bad.  And that was on the seventh test.  So average out the 10 test trips and I'm way below NO.  So that's when I started taking the supplements and losing weight.  And this form has helped me a lot and you.  I'm still thinking about a year away.  I will be in good health for 65-year-old.  it's been one year since I took the test and started my journey.

Thanks, all on the board

Great news.  Thx.
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 20, 2013, 05:17:28 am

I'm 31 and physically very healthy so this is surprising. Is it possible for a guy with a toned muscular body and able to run a 6 minute mile to have NO and endothelium problems?  How did this happen? I have never been out of shape? I did have tons of stress for years though (through a stressful job).

Well, yes and no.  As you know, endothelial damage is progressive and comes from a Western lifestyle.  The big culprits are inflammation, lack of antioxidants, decreased NO and testosterone and elevated triglycerides and LDL.  If your blood pressure is prehypertensive, this will contribute as well.

Usually guys in their 30's do not have that many issues with their endotheliums.  They can still drink pretty heavily and consume a lot of saturated fat and do other things that slow down blood flow.  And the fact you are an exerciser will really help.

However, exercise will not magically protect someone, and so, even at your age, you've likely incurred significant damage.  It really depends mostly on how you eat.  Imo diet is #1 imo with exercise #2 and stress management #3 in terms of heart disease and endothelial dysfunction.  That's how I'd rank it anyway.  (Respectable hormone levels are also very important of course.)

Now I don't know how you eat, so I'm not accusing you of anything.  But it is very unlikely you would have gotten that reading if you'd eaten a lot of plant based, low saturated fat food with decent nitrates in them within about four hours. So that's why I'm asking you about diet. 

Now, by the way, at 31 if you start clearing out that arterial plaque, you will be way ahead of 99% of your peers.  Keep those arteries nice and clean.  I wish so much I had followed that advice, but I had to learn the hard way.  (Years and years of low testosterone did not help either.)

If you just don't think you can take a Low Fat Diet, then I'd recommend a Mediterranean or vegetarian or DASH Diet.  These have a lot of excellent research behind them and all of them can really boost blood flow and endothelial function.  (I'll be glad to send you a copy of my book if you don't have it.  Just PM me if you are int'd.)

Again, you may already be doing all those things and so just let me know if so...

My diet is not perfect but I wouldn't say it's bad. I'll eat a lot of sandwiches (like footlong chicken breast from subway), burgers/fries, pasta, chicken, sushi, etc.  I don't drink soda or fruit juices. Generally drink coffee and water. Started drinking pomegranate juice everyday. Very little green leafy vegetables and not a ton of fruit (ie: 1 banana a day). I guess I could improve my diet. I'll PM you for the book.

If I start improving my diet immediately, how long would it take to see results?
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2013, 02:50:05 pm


My diet is not perfect but I wouldn't say it's bad. I'll eat a lot of sandwiches (like footlong chicken breast from subway), burgers/fries, pasta, chicken, sushi, etc.  I don't drink soda or fruit juices. Generally drink coffee and water. Started drinking pomegranate juice everyday. Very little green leafy vegetables and not a ton of fruit (ie: 1 banana a day). I guess I could improve my diet. I'll PM you for the book.

If I start improving my diet immediately, how long would it take to see results?

What you're describing is the typical Western Diet.  I'm not trying to be hard on you, but just giving the facts.  The good news is that the pomegranate juice - assuming it's 100% pomegranate - will be very protective.

I won't go on and on about that, because food is religious to almost all of us - I'm one of the few people that eats kind of like a chemistry experiment! - but here are a few teaser points to keep in mind:

--Chicken is packed, due to modern poultry practices, with arachidonic acid, which is a key inflammatory "messenger".  It's a building block and can lead to increased inflammation, which is the root of all evil. 

--Modern beef is a joke compared to wild game.  Wild game is almost always very low in fat and high in omega-3's.  Due to modern livestock practices, beef is the polar opposite.  Beef also has many other problems, but one of the huge ones that was just discovered a few weeks ago is that it is high in carnitine, which alters the output of ones' gut flora and hammers your arteries.  I highly recommend that you read about it here:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1228.msg11617#msg11617

In addition, the HCA's in cooked beef are very toxic and implicated in a host of cancers.  See this link if you are int'd:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/prostate (See #8.)

By the way, I've got nothing morally against eating humanely-killed meat.  But you've got to realize that they've really bastardized our food supply in this area and the carnitine aspect of beef is likely very dangerous.

Now, all of that said, I'm going to be honest here:  you can probably eat tons of modern meat for another ten years before it starts to affect your erections if you simply start eating more fruits and vegetables and continue exercising a lot.  The nitrates and many other compounds in plants will boost your nitric oxide significantly and get you "over the hump".  You should still have a lot of buffer in your system.

But I would encourage to "not do as I have done" and keep those arteries nice and clean and supple.  Remember:  if the heart is happy, everybody is happy.

To answer your question, most men feel the benefits within a few days.  Generally, men who go on a Low Fat/Mediterranean/Vegetarian/DASH Diet (with supplemental protein if needed) experience solid results within just a few weeks.  And the good news is that you usually begin to slowly feel better for months afterward. 

Check out these 15 Benefits of Eating Fruits and Vegetables from the research.  If you do continue to eat that much meat, I highly encourage you to at least incorporate this into your dietary regimen:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Fruit_Vegetables_Benefits

One last question: 

Sorry I can't remember:  have you had your testosterone pulled?
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 20, 2013, 03:05:33 pm


My diet is not perfect but I wouldn't say it's bad. I'll eat a lot of sandwiches (like footlong chicken breast from subway), burgers/fries, pasta, chicken, sushi, etc.  I don't drink soda or fruit juices. Generally drink coffee and water. Started drinking pomegranate juice everyday. Very little green leafy vegetables and not a ton of fruit (ie: 1 banana a day). I guess I could improve my diet. I'll PM you for the book.

If I start improving my diet immediately, how long would it take to see results?

What you're describing is the typical Western Diet.  I'm not trying to be hard on you, but just giving the facts.  The good news is that the pomegranate juice - assuming it's 100% pomegranate - will be very protective.

I won't go on and on about that, because food is religious to almost all of us - I'm one of the few people that eats kind of like a chemistry experiment! - but here are a few teaser points to keep in mind:

--Chicken is packed, due to modern poultry practices, with arachidonic acid, which is a key inflammatory "messenger".  It's a building block and can lead to increased inflammation, which is the root of all evil. 

--Modern beef is a joke compared to wild game.  Wild game is almost always very low in fat and high in omega-3's.  Due to modern livestock practices, beef is the polar opposite.  Beef also has many other problems, but one of the huge ones that was just discovered a few weeks ago is that it is high in carnitine, which alters the output of ones' gut flora and hammers your arteries.  I highly recommend that you read about it here:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1228.msg11617#msg11617

In addition, the HCA's in cooked beef are very toxic and implicated in a host of cancers.  See this link if you are int'd:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/prostate (See #8.)

By the way, I've got nothing morally against eating humanely-killed meat.  But you've got to realize that they've really bastardized our food supply in this area and the carnitine aspect of beef is likely very dangerous.

Now, all of that said, I'm going to be honest here:  you can probably eat tons of modern meat for another ten years before it starts to affect your erections if you simply start eating more fruits and vegetables and continue exercising a lot.  The nitrates and many other compounds in plants will boost your nitric oxide significantly and get you "over the hump".  You should still have a lot of buffer in your system.

But I would encourage to "not do as I have done" and keep those arteries nice and clean and supple.  Remember:  if the heart is happy, everybody is happy.

To answer your question, most men feel the benefits within a few days.  Generally, men who go on a Low Fat/Mediterranean/Vegetarian/DASH Diet (with supplemental protein if needed) experience solid results within just a few weeks.  And the good news is that you usually begin to slowly feel better for months afterward. 

Check out these 15 Benefits of Eating Fruits and Vegetables from the research.  If you do continue to eat that much meat, I highly encourage you to at least incorporate this into your dietary regimen:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Fruit_Vegetables_Benefits

One last question: 

Sorry I can't remember:  have you had your testosterone pulled?

About the testosterone. Yes I have had 3 tests in the last 4 months or so ranging from 270-340ish. So basically very low testosterone. I'll start eating more fruits and veggies. Will read up on the site for tips but if you have an "optimized" recovery meal recommendation for the first few weeks that would be great. 

Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2013, 03:24:29 pm


About the testosterone. Yes I have had 3 tests in the last 4 months or so ranging from 270-340ish. So basically very low testosterone. I'll start eating more fruits and veggies. Will read up on the site for tips but if you have an "optimized" recovery meal recommendation for the first few weeks that would be great.

Oh!  Well, I forgot that - my apologies.  It's very hard to keep track of everyone's profile.  I wish there was a form in the profile so I could that up!

Anyway, this is VERY likely your underlying problem imo.  It doesn't really explain why are depleted in NO, though, because testosterone merely "activates" NOS. 

So get these fruits and vegetables going and they will greatly help you in your low T state.

What were thinking of doing regarding the low T? 
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 20, 2013, 03:56:23 pm


About the testosterone. Yes I have had 3 tests in the last 4 months or so ranging from 270-340ish. So basically very low testosterone. I'll start eating more fruits and veggies. Will read up on the site for tips but if you have an "optimized" recovery meal recommendation for the first few weeks that would be great.

Oh!  Well, I forgot that - my apologies.  It's very hard to keep track of everyone's profile.  I wish there was a form in the profile so I could that up!

Anyway, this is VERY likely your underlying problem imo.  It doesn't really explain why are depleted in NO, though, because testosterone merely "activates" NOS. 

So get these fruits and vegetables going and they will greatly help you in your low T state.

What were thinking of doing regarding the low T?

My urologist, who specializes in this stuff, told me my testosterone should be in the 700s. He put me on clomid immediately. My old school endocrinologist told me not to use it yet. He thinking my testosterone is just fine and wanted me to naturally raise it by using a cpap machine. I have sleep apnea.

So currently I have been using cpap for a month. Gonna get another blood test and if cpap didn't help, will start clomid.
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2013, 05:17:41 pm
Nice...
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 20, 2013, 07:50:27 pm
Nice...

Just read your ebook on diet. Good stuff! I plan to take alot of the advice. One question. I'm always on the go and travel alot, which means I have to eat out a lot. Do you have any recommended restaurants that fall under the diet plan. For example, what do you think about vegi sandwiches on wheat bread from subway, or chipotle black bean bowls, etc.
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 20, 2013, 08:03:15 pm

Just read your ebook on diet. Good stuff! I plan to take alot of the advice. One question. I'm always on the go and travel alot, which means I have to eat out a lot. Do you have any recommended restaurants that fall under the diet plan. For example, what do you think about vegi sandwiches on wheat bread from subway, or chipotle black bean bowls, etc.

Travel is very tough, depending on which dietary regimen you want to go with.  Low Fat is virtually impossible to find in any restaurant anywhere.  Mediterranean is much more doable.

I'm not a big fan of wheat but I know you only have so many options on the road.  Anyway, for general info, here is why I am cautious about wheat:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Wheat_Belly_Review

Chipotle is pretty good in the sense that have the veges and black beans, but, as far as I know, their meat has the same issues I mentioned above.

I know this is a pain in the you-know-what, but when I went on a business trip recently, I actually walked to a store and bought a bunch of stuff and took it back to my hotel room.  And at some of the diners, I can order egg whites, etc.  But it was tough, at least considering how strict I am at home.

So the bottom line is if you get any great ideas for how to do this on the road, let us know.  That would be an interesting post and I'm sure many other guys on the board struggle with the same thing.
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: fixme on April 21, 2013, 02:56:27 am

Just read your ebook on diet. Good stuff! I plan to take alot of the advice. One question. I'm always on the go and travel alot, which means I have to eat out a lot. Do you have any recommended restaurants that fall under the diet plan. For example, what do you think about vegi sandwiches on wheat bread from subway, or chipotle black bean bowls, etc.

Travel is very tough, depending on which dietary regimen you want to go with.  Low Fat is virtually impossible to find in any restaurant anywhere.  Mediterranean is much more doable.

I'm not a big fan of wheat but I know you only have so many options on the road.  Anyway, for general info, here is why I am cautious about wheat:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Wheat_Belly_Review

Chipotle is pretty good in the sense that have the veges and black beans, but, as far as I know, their meat has the same issues I mentioned above.

I know this is a pain in the you-know-what, but when I went on a business trip recently, I actually walked to a store and bought a bunch of stuff and took it back to my hotel room.  And at some of the diners, I can order egg whites, etc.  But it was tough, at least considering how strict I am at home.

So the bottom line is if you get any great ideas for how to do this on the road, let us know.  That would be an interesting post and I'm sure many other guys on the board struggle with the same thing.

Well I just picked up salad and fruit at the airport so I guess it's possible. Going to whole foods would be a viable but expensive option.

In your book, you recommend sauces like ketchup and terryiaki sauce. You also say to avoid fructose. Don't these sauces contain a lot of fructose corn syrup ? You also mention we should avoid dairy but skim milk is okay? I'm actually not sure ill be able to have such strict dietary rules but I'll definitely try.

Also if you think wheat is bad, should I just get white bread and flour toetillas?
Title: Re: Nitric oxide test strips
Post by: PeakT on April 21, 2013, 04:40:45 am

Well I just picked up salad and fruit at the airport so I guess it's possible. Going to whole foods would be a viable but expensive option.

In your book, you recommend sauces like ketchup and terryiaki sauce. You also say to avoid fructose. Don't these sauces contain a lot of fructose corn syrup ? You also mention we should avoid dairy but skim milk is okay? I'm actually not sure ill be able to have such strict dietary rules but I'll definitely try.

Also if you think wheat is bad, should I just get white bread and flour toetillas?

Well, these are pretty geeky subjects, so hopefully I won't put you into a coma.  Anyway, here is my take:

--You can buy HFCS-free ketchup at Trader Joe's.  However it does have sugar in it and sugar is 1/2 fructose, so you can't go crazy.  I don't think I recommended teriyaki sauce per se, did I?  In any event, it usually has a lot of salt, so that is my caution there. 

--When I say to avoid fructose, I just mean try to keep your daily intake < 50 gram with almost all sources from fruit.

--Wheat is wheat:  it's all GMO'd and it's all high glycemic.  Wheat germ has a great nutrient profile, but is GMO'd of course also.

--My take on casein is that a glass of milk each day may be okay.  Ornish also allowed a little dairy.  However, too much casein may be a cancer risk and/or increase inflammation. 

--I understand about the "strict rules" comment.  It took me years to get to where I am at, so I have your sympathy in this area.  Men with diabetes or heart disease or high blood pressure will often make rapid changes simply because a gun is at the back of their head.  But it's much tougher to make those changes simply out of a desire for long term health.  However, the more I read about the subject, the more I am convinced that going natural is the only way to go.  And in short order the improvements to your sexual and general health are so profound that "there's no turning back"...