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Title: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: BBkingbluesking122 on November 23, 2017, 04:28:45 pm
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/31/12/1494/465031

They found that low T levels (<250 ng/dl) was associated with a nearly 2.5 fold higher risk of all-cause mortality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653676/

The same applies, and to the same degree/extent, for dialysis patients
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: cujet on November 24, 2017, 05:28:06 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 24, 2017, 08:26:49 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Boxcar on November 25, 2017, 06:03:15 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on November 25, 2017, 11:11:20 pm
https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/31/12/1494/465031

They found that low T levels (<250 ng/dl) was associated with a nearly 2.5 fold higher risk of all-cause mortality.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653676/

The same applies, and to the same degree/extent, for dialysis patients

Absolutely.  I make here five powerful arguments (if I don't say so myself) as to why testosterone is a powerful anti-aging agent.  This includes its positive impact on telomerase, insulin, stem cells, etc.

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Aging.aspx
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 26, 2017, 07:01:49 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 26, 2017, 07:03:40 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tonmore muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Also that strange low blood sugar thing is still here I guess I got one day off from it so i donít know if trt has anything to do with it   Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Mindscape on November 26, 2017, 10:01:21 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on November 26, 2017, 10:22:14 am


Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work
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I was similar:  almost all my tests were in the 300's.  I had one that was mid 350's and one around 280.  Basically, my testosterone was a rock solid half or third of what it should have been!
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 26, 2017, 01:19:33 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Joe Sixpack on November 26, 2017, 04:38:55 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol. 
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 26, 2017, 06:32:58 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Joe Sixpack on November 26, 2017, 08:51:40 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Might be worth your while to try daily injects.  My labs were fine on 3x/week and even every other day.  But I still felt sub-par.  My labs are the same with daily, but it doesn't crash my cortisol as much as the other schedules.  I don't remember if you are using HCG.  HCG was immensely helpful with improving low cortisol. 
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 27, 2017, 04:52:01 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Might be worth your while to try daily injects.  My labs were fine on 3x/week and even every other day.  But I still felt sub-par.  My labs are the same with daily, but it doesn't crash my cortisol as much as the other schedules.  I don't remember if you are using HCG.  HCG was immensely helpful with improving low cortisol.
something I will definitely run by my dr. No hcg yet he wants to see how I react to this protocol first. I hope it works out for me because I am worried about the long term sides of low t.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on November 28, 2017, 08:24:43 am
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Might be worth your while to try daily injects.  My labs were fine on 3x/week and even every other day.  But I still felt sub-par.  My labs are the same with daily, but it doesn't crash my cortisol as much as the other schedules.  I don't remember if you are using HCG.  HCG was immensely helpful with improving low cortisol.
something I will definitely run by my dr. No hcg yet he wants to see how I react to this protocol first. I hope it works out for me because I am worried about the long term sides of low t.

Your A1C will probably rise a half point if you drop from higher testosterone to lower. Thats all you need to know!
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 28, 2017, 03:59:58 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Might be worth your while to try daily injects.  My labs were fine on 3x/week and even every other day.  But I still felt sub-par.  My labs are the same with daily, but it doesn't crash my cortisol as much as the other schedules.  I don't remember if you are using HCG.  HCG was immensely helpful with improving low cortisol.
something I will definitely run by my dr. No hcg yet he wants to see how I react to this protocol first. I hope it works out for me because I am worried about the long term sides of low t.

Your A1C will probably rise a half point if you drop from higher testosterone to lower. Thats all you need to know!
my a1c is at 5.1 with low t.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on November 28, 2017, 10:58:32 pm

my a1c is at 5.1 with low t.

Okay, well you are one of the few and the proud - disregard.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on November 29, 2017, 09:30:10 am

my a1c is at 5.1 with low t.

Okay, well you are one of the few and the proud - disregard.
lol. Donít get me wrong Iím worried bout the long term side effects of low t. But as talked about in my thread I have a lot of trouble with trt lowering my cortisol.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on December 01, 2017, 07:55:18 am

my a1c is at 5.1 with low t.

Okay, well you are one of the few and the proud - disregard.
lol. Donít get me wrong Iím worried bout the long term side effects of low t. But as talked about in my thread I have a lot of trouble with trt lowering my cortisol.

I didnt reread the thread but have you tried pregnenolone?  That works for most guys And itís what I am doing for the same issue. I also had low progesterone.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on December 01, 2017, 08:31:25 am

my a1c is at 5.1 with low t.

Okay, well you are one of the few and the proud - disregard.
lol. Donít get me wrong Iím worried bout the long term side effects of low t. But as talked about in my thread I have a lot of trouble with trt lowering my cortisol.

I didnt reread the thread but have you tried pregnenolone?  That works for most guys And itís what I am doing for the same issue. I also had low progesterone.
im actually going to try my ssri again with the t. Iíve unfortunate never got a cortisol reading on  ssri alone. But it did help with a lot of my low cort symptoms. And it also calmed down my overthinking. I do not have true ocd. I do not have compulsions but I do have obsessive thoughts to a degree. Anyway my sister also sufferes from low level anxiety and she at one point wanted to get off lexapro she did fine for a while then she felt awful. She got an cortisol tested and she came back a 4  she eventually went back on the lex and feels fine again. So maybe the combo of trt and going off lex at the same time is what drove my cortisol even Lower. So Iím going to start here and see what happens
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: amparo on December 08, 2017, 01:30:49 pm
Definitely consider what methodology of testosterone test the lab is using before hanging your hat on low results. LabCorp uses an ECLIA methodology which typically results in lower reported lab levels. Some cmpanies like where I've been tested utilize an LC/MS/MS methodology from Quest which typically leads to higher reported testosterone levels.

Supposedly, TRT docs like LabCorp better for obvious reasons
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Cataceous on December 08, 2017, 01:58:24 pm
Shouldn't ECLIA read high more often than low, as with estradiol, due to cross-reactivity? LabCorp says this in the description (https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35526/testosterone-total) of the standard testosterone test, meaning they're expecting less-accurate results at lower numbers:

Quote
For testosterone measurements in females and children, use of Testosterone, Total, Women, Children, and Hypogonadal Males, LC/MS-MS [070001], which employs liquid chromatography/tandem mass spectrometry (LC/MS-MS), is recommended.

This is the referenced LC/MS-MS test: https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/35531/testosterone-total-women-children-and-hypogonadal-males-lc-ms-ms
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Random on December 08, 2017, 04:59:01 pm
I think the facts have been out for a while. Those of us with very low T, are, quite simply, unable to keep ourselves fit and healthy without medical intervention.

As an example, Diabetes and blood sugar control are certainly affected by testosterone levels. With higher T being better. I don't want to say T replacement is a magic bullet, it's not. But coupled with exercise and good diet, it's an effective way to get into better physical condition and that results in better health.
just a personal observation about the whole blood sugar and testosterone thing. Iíve been low t for 9 years now from Under eating/overtraining. I never had any blood sugar issues up until last year. Iím 35 years old now. I had associated that with low normal cortisol. But I could have been wrong. If I donít eat every 2-3 hours I get major hypoglycemic issues despite my blood glucose being fine. My numbers always look good. But regardless of the numbers it happens and itís worse on the weekends cause I wake at different time and eat more spaced out usually cause I get wrapped up in work at the house. Now Iím on trt for going on 6 weeks and yesterday was the first time I didnít eat for about 4 hours and was doing yard work and didnít have an episode.

So hopefully this is a sign of things to come. Iíve yet to have much of any symptom relief so far but like many say it can take months and Iím gonna stick this one out. My blood results should be back next week so we will see

Did you ever try raising your testosterone by eating more and exercising less? Undereating and overtraining are notorious for causing low testosterone (even in healthy young men, according to one study).
i have. The highest Iíve tested natural is around 350. But most tests Iím around 250. However Iím 6 weeks into trt again and itís been rough. Iím back on that rollercoaster ride of up and down energy. Iím having a hard time at hockey again feel like I tire more quickly. And I have a Tone more muscle twitching and dehydration feelings. Labs should be here this week. But Iím back to being bummed out. Kinda wanna just go back to the low dose ssri and nothing else. But promised myself I would at least make it to lab work

6 weeks that's it?! Oh man you're still way too early into TRT to notice much of anything, your pituitary is shut down and it's going to take months before you notice anything significant. I don't think many understand the dangers of being low T, heart disease and cardiovascular disease to name a few.
im trying my best to keep that in mind. But what always pops into my head is a few years ago I was on a decent protocol with one of the top docs in the field for 8 months and trt didnít help much and lowered my already low cortisol levels. I also always think about all the other hormones that get shut down from doing trt. So how good can it be for long term health for all the other hormones the testicles produce to be shut down?  But like I said Iím trying to stay strong.
Have you tried injecting more often to avoid the roller coaster ride?  I inject daily for this very reason.  I also suffer from low cortisol.
right now Iím on a 3x a week schedule. I definitely do not feel as bad as I used to back in the day in regards to low cortisol but I also stopped lifting and limit myself to light cardio 3x a week. And typically 1-2 hockey games a weekend. I have noticed that I struggle more at hockey with heavy legs and quad burning. Something that wasnít happening much on Lexapro only. But like I said hopefully my labs can shed light on this.
Might be worth your while to try daily injects.  My labs were fine on 3x/week and even every other day.  But I still felt sub-par.  My labs are the same with daily, but it doesn't crash my cortisol as much as the other schedules.  I don't remember if you are using HCG.  HCG was immensely helpful with improving low cortisol.
something I will definitely run by my dr. No hcg yet he wants to see how I react to this protocol first. I hope it works out for me because I am worried about the long term sides of low t.

If you are even slightly concerned about future fertility, or the size of the boys, you may want to check into HCG
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on December 09, 2017, 03:25:19 pm
fyi:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_fertility.aspx
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: charliebizz on December 09, 2017, 09:20:28 pm
Well I tried trt a few times without hcg and while off trt I got my wife pregnant so seems as my fertility came back just fine lol.
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: Random on December 09, 2017, 10:52:00 pm
Well I tried trt a few times without hcg and while off trt I got my wife pregnant so seems as my fertility came back just fine lol.
Too funny :)
Title: Re: A Low Serum Testosterone Level Is Dangerous
Post by: PeakT on December 10, 2017, 08:47:32 am
Well I tried trt a few times without hcg and while off trt I got my wife pregnant so seems as my fertility came back just fine lol.

Congrats!  And life has never been the same since, eh?   ;D

But, if you're on TRT, most guys will experience a major drop in fertility.  Some guys get their pardner pregnant while on testosterone, but you can't count on that.