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General Category => Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health => Topic started by: Bigjohn on September 15, 2013, 01:37:41 pm

Title: progesterone for men
Post by: Bigjohn on September 15, 2013, 01:37:41 pm
I'm fairly new to the site and this probably has been discussed before but I would be interested in other's opinion. Is anyone taking progesterone? There is some research that shows it can prevent prostate cancer growth. Also I met with a great anti aging doctor last week in Rancho Mirage CA. And he thinks it's imperative for men to be on it. It's over the counter I know.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: rhodesian on September 15, 2013, 06:10:06 pm
Usually, when you manage to put estradiol under control, progesterone tends to recover its balance...

Anyway, I also would like to hear the experience of someone who has tested the progesterone creams...
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 15, 2013, 07:52:51 pm
Here is why Dr. Crisler does not like progesterone:

http://www.allthingsmale.com/forum/showthread.php?13841-Progesterone

"Progesterone:

Elevates SHBG
Suppresses the HPTA
Causes gyno
Causes impotence
IF it indeed suppresses 5-AR

ALL feminizing qualities."

Someone else on this thread brought up the fact that low dose progesterone was loved by Dr. John Lee, who was considered by many to be the "Alternative Hormone Guru" until he passed away.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: Bigjohn on September 17, 2013, 08:06:10 pm
I'm just not sure what to say. I did buy some and have been trying it but not sure if any difference. I'll keep researching. Thanks.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 17, 2013, 08:31:10 pm
I'm just not sure what to say. I did buy some and have been trying it but not sure if any difference. I'll keep researching. Thanks.

I'm not either.  Let us know what you find out...
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: harpua on September 18, 2013, 01:37:28 am
I tried using a very small amount of progesterone cream but even the recommended small amount for men made me feel lousy the following morning so I stopped using it after only a few days.

Finally was able to persuade my urologist to order a test for estradiol so if the results show I'm higher than 30, I'll work on lowering that and hope that that brings the female hormones into balance.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: phatphish on September 21, 2013, 09:22:35 pm
I've been using it for about a year. Now keep in mind my ed was brought on by a pituitary tumor, so my findings might be different than the norm. I found that it makes me feel better, and has somewhat stopped my testicular atrophy. I know it was this that made me feel better cause I had to stop it for a while due to lack of funding, and in a few days was feeling lousy again. But like I said, this may not apply to everyone.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 21, 2013, 09:31:23 pm
I've been using it for about a year. Now keep in mind my ed was brought on by a pituitary tumor, so my findings might be different than the norm. I found that it makes me feel better, and has somewhat stopped my testicular atrophy. I know it was this that made me feel better cause I had to stop it for a while due to lack of funding, and in a few days was feeling lousy again. But like I said, this may not apply to everyone.

How much did you use?
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: Bigjohn on September 21, 2013, 10:38:47 pm
I never really noticed until phatphish posted about lack of atrophy on testicles but just noticed the same. There is no doubt that it reduces chance of prostate cancer from what I read, there seems to be quite a bit of research on that.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: phatphish on September 24, 2013, 12:53:40 am
Peak, I use Source Naturals natural progesterone cream, which has 500 mg progesterone per ounce, or 22 mg per 1/4 teaspoon. I use about 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. Don't go by the instructions on the package, as these are for perimenopausal women. I use it every day without a break.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 24, 2013, 04:19:04 am
Peak, I use Source Naturals natural progesterone cream, which has 500 mg progesterone per ounce, or 22 mg per 1/4 teaspoon. I use about 1/4 teaspoon twice a day. Don't go by the instructions on the package, as these are for perimenopausal women. I use it every day without a break.

Well, two questions for you then:

1.  So why did you start taking it?  Were you trying to overcome certain symptoms?  Did you have some kind of test that you felt would be improved by taking progesterone?  I guess I'm asking what your goal was?

2.  And, obvioulsy, you did not feel that it caused you any of the symptoms that Dr. Crisler was concerned about?
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: phatphish on September 24, 2013, 06:21:00 pm
I actually looked into using it because of a book my wife read. She had had a total hysterectomy and the estrogen that her Dr.'s prescribed made her symptoms 20x worse. So she looked at alternatives. This book (don't remember the title), made a brief reference to progesterone use in men. I have been looking for answers to my condition since my Dr. gave me Viagra 12 years ago. I was (and still am) very tired of the "Vigraines" as my wife's old boss at the health food store used to call them, every Time I use one of the little blue pills. My research led me to the research of the late Dr. Lee. I just decided to try progesterone to see if it would help. Not sure it really helps my ED, but I did notice my "guys" stopped shrinking and I felt a lot better. No, i haven't experienced any negative symptoms. But as I said, I'm battling a very different problem than most guys. (I've only met one other person who has a tumor. She is an elderly neighbor, in her 90's who is seeing the Dr. that removed mine). There is actually very little info on my condition, at least I haven't come across much, and I've been searching since I had surgery  2 years ago.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 24, 2013, 07:21:37 pm
So did they just remove the tumor, I.e. your pituitary is largely intact?  How much of the pituitary's other functionality have you checked?
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: phatphish on September 25, 2013, 01:30:02 am
Yes, the pituitary is intact. The tumor was producing prolactin and growth hormone. My Endo has not mentioned LH but I suspect it is low. Half way through my second bottle of Tribulus I have noticed My Testicles seeming to put on weight. I have not been in for a t level because I'm still unemployed and it"s getting to the point of putting food on the table or not. All my Dr. said after my last level was that everything is normal. I know he checks t level, PSA, liver function, and seems like he checked for blood cell count? Can't quite remember. He has never mentioned estridiol levels either.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: PeakT on September 25, 2013, 02:44:50 am
Yes, the pituitary is intact. The tumor was producing prolactin and growth hormone. My Endo has not mentioned LH but I suspect it is low. Half way through my second bottle of Tribulus I have noticed My Testicles seeming to put on weight. I have not been in for a t level because I'm still unemployed and it"s getting to the point of putting food on the table or not. All my Dr. said after my last level was that everything is normal. I know he checks t level, PSA, liver function, and seems like he checked for blood cell count? Can't quite remember. He has never mentioned estridiol levels either.

Gotcha.  Well, hopefully he wasn't being ultraconservative as they so oftne are.
Title: Re: progesterone for men
Post by: phatphish on September 25, 2013, 04:44:39 pm
Well, I do know that normal T levels to him is 700-800 total.