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Title: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 10, 2012, 02:12:26 am
Foods that have
no/low saturated fats
NO Trans fats

Im  trying to know what other foods I can eat, not on a daily basis, but sometimes, that arent gonna be that bad

Taco Bell cinnamon twists--170 calories, 0 sat fat 0  trans fat 7 total fat 10grams sugar
http://www.tacobell.com/nutrition/information

pepperidge farms Stone baked artisan rolls 1 package 960 calories 0 fat 8 sugar

 
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 10, 2012, 01:25:31 pm
That's funny.  I used to work at Taco Bell many moons ago.  Those Cinnamon Twists are fried and so will have trans fats in 'em.

You're a young guy so you can probably eat some white bread and it won't kill you, but of course I can't lie to you and tell you it's good for you.

I don't know where you stand as far as evolution and I don't want to offend anyone, but consider this:

In our primate past, we ate primarily low fat foods:  leaves, tree nuts, seeds and maybe a little bit of lean meat here and there.  Then in our Paleo past we ate low fat meats, roots, berries, and some plants and fruit.  Our bodies are designed for a quite low fat, high nutrient dense whole food diet.

Cheap carbs just don't fit in with this.  And high density fatty foods don't fit in with this.  Butter, lard, cheese, etc are very new in our diet.

Grains are new to our diet, but they work well because they match our past so well:  they are low fat plant foods.  However, wheat has some negative properties that many people must be careful of:  it boosts blood sugar more than other grains and many people have gluten sensitivity and wheat allergies.  So you have to be careful.  In addition, the wheat genome has been dramatically changed through genetic engineering in the last fifty years.  A great read is Wheat Belly if you have time on this whole subject.

So "what can I eat then?" is a natural question at this point?  Well, there are many ways to tackle this.  Here's one way I do it:

I get a rice cooker and throw in some whole grains. I like brown rice, millet and quinoa the most. You can also throw some lentils in there but you have to add a little more water if you do that to give a slightly longer cooking time. 

This gives you a ton of carbs for much of the day.  Combine it with any number of sauces or spices and you're in business.  One of my favorites is to add lime, salsa (out of a glass container) and italian spices.  It kind of makes a "tabouli" and the salsa makes it non-dry and easy to eat.

Now some guys - I believe Dr. Life is in this camp - goes the Low Fat route by eating low fat, lean meats.  Now this is pretty reasonable actually, but I shy away from this because 1) there is so little study work on it, 2) if you cook the meat at high heat, you get all kinds of carcinoges in there and 3) it's tough to find range-fed, lean cuts of meat.  I just think it's a lot easier to avoid meat altogether and use some of the undenatured proteins and egg whites for protein.

Hope that helps...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 10, 2012, 09:45:32 pm
Im trying to find foods I an eat with no prep time
Mcdonalds and many other places say their fries, etc have no transfats, so you are saying they do?
cause Ive been just searching for foods I can eat that have no transfats/saturated fat
Widicus said the change means 15 Taco Bell menu items will contain no trans fats, including the Crunchy Beef Taco, the Taco Supreme, some chalupas and cinnamon twists.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15748882/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/t/taco-bell-cut-artery-clogging-trans-fats/#.T6w0_sVuCZ4

what about pizza?  can I have no more pizza?
I thought Weight watchers Smart ones cheese pizza minis were good?
http://www.foodfacts.com/NutritionFacts/Frozen-Pizza/Smart-Ones-Anytime-Selections-Cheese-Pizza-Minis-88-oz/63963

I dont know what words to avoid in the ingredients  list?
transfats
all oils?
anything else?

Im not sure whats wrong with white bread, other than it isnt really useful calories, aside preventing me from eating anything else that would have fat or oil in it
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2012, 12:05:52 am
Watchn:

You have to decide how far you want to go with the new diet.  I'm certainly not trying to force anything on anyone.  Most of my family members see the way I eat and think I'm crazy. 

But here's why I recommend it if you ca break out of the pack:  for you to even hope to get your RDA of many vitamins and minerals, you have to eat a lot of whole foods daily and a variety as well.  So, if you have a slice of white bread or even two, you can still get all your nutrients without putting on weight. 

However, they typical American eats 800+ calories of fat and 800 calories of sugar and white breads and, of course, that ain't gonna work when it comes to ingesting the basic building blocks. 

But that's only half the story:  white bread and white rice have a very high glycemic index and are equal to or above table sugar.  So eating a couple of slices of white bread is like eating a bunch of sugar.  That's likely going to be bad for both your testosterone and nitric oxide and will definitely age your tissues.

I actually cover this in my new book, but here is an example of just what this kind of eating does to your arteries:

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/heart/articles/2009/06/11/cornflakes-white-bread-could-boost-heart-risk

So, of course, you can eat the way everyone else does, but all of this standard Western Diet stuff has consequences that affect blood flow and everything else...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 11, 2012, 03:05:05 am
Watchn:

You have to decide how far you want to go with the new diet.  I'm certainly not trying to force anything on anyone.  Most of my family members see the way I eat and think I'm crazy. 


Im not sure what that means?
Im learning that the typical american diet is going to impair  so I've decided not to eat the way americans/westren world eat
so what the heck do I eat?
I ask that because I DONT KNOW

 well, gee whiz, maybe If i had a list of food to pick from, Id eat well.
so I go to the grocery store and I can't find crap to eat there.
ever go to an American grocery store with some foreigner?  they are amazed at the amount of lack of choice to eat, so much food, but so little you can actually eat.
I am simply looking for a list of foods I can eat that arent gonna kill me,

fresh veggies
brown rice
non-starchy veggies

could all be on the list, right

rice chex
organic, fat free milk?

why is looking to learn what options I have mean I'm
You have to decide how far you want to go with the new diet.  I'm certainly not trying to force anything on anyone.
I dont know what this mean either? I am looking for "Peak T" approved food


But here's why I recommend it if you ca break out of the pack:  for you to even hope to get your RDA of many vitamins and minerals, you have to eat a lot of whole foods daily and a variety as well.  So, if you have a slice of white bread or even two, you can still get all your nutrients without putting on weight. 
..
exactly, Im trying to break out from the pack
I am currently dropping fat like crazy on a Protein sparing  modified fast, where I get my aminos+efas+fiber through the week, phytonutrients, etc
but I can't have anything like bread/pizza, or candy
so I have a  few bites of those foods once a week, based around the time I workout...I thought working out when I took in saturated fats and all that crap made it not so bad..
but also by having the food once a week, I am able to go without 6 days a week, so one meal a week , Im bad
so I just want a list of foods I can eat that arent going to totally kill me that ONE meal a week

I think twinkies might kill me.

is what I'm saying making sense yet?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 11, 2012, 03:22:45 am
so when someone tells me
eat only 100% whole wheat!
thats crap, because of ????

and I should not have carbs unless they come from natural sources?
brown rice
starchy veggies
etc?

so cereals like cherrios or rice chex, as well as corn flakes, are no nos?
they are not PeakT approved?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2012, 03:41:06 am
Wait I have to ask a basic question:  what dietary pattern are you going after?  Still Low Fat, right?  Because of course what eating regimen you pick will decide your general food consumption.
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 11, 2012, 07:36:51 am
Wait I have to ask a basic question:  what dietary pattern are you going after?  Still Low Fat, right?  Because of course what eating regimen you pick will decide your general food consumption.

I am not following with that logic

I eat low/no fat; so this means I can have captain crunch? because my lack of fat means the fat in captain crunch will help my health?

oh, that's still not healthy? so what if I eat a fatty diet then I  can have captain crunch? because the fat in captain crunch will mesh with that fat I'm eating and will make it all healthy?

so why do dietarty patterns I want to follow alter what I should be ideally eating for all the health benefits,  in terms of erections, T-levels, blood sugar, blood lipids, CRP, etc


I would eat high fat if that would be healthier, but I am not thinking it is

I am asking in this thread a list of foods to eat.  I wanted easy food with no prep time, but that seems to have complicated the issue a lot

why is it so hard to get a list of food to eat?
if I wanted high fat diet, which I am assuming you mean fat like W-3 rich, like fish,  then I'd list

"fish-wild; not raised on farms to get w-3s"

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Grains_Penis

I know grains are ok to eat, Im just trying to figure out products I can actually go out and get that are the good grains
I am really tried of reading all the labels to figure out what to buy and eat. 
whole what spaghetti and marina sauce?

I feel like Im in school and being taught subjects, but given no book and only told, there is a daily test, to study read a book at the library, I wont tell you which one, go find a book that covers what we talked about in class

fruits
non-starchy veggies
eggwhites
eggs
organic milk??(maybe)
nativites raw cocoa
W-3s(cod liver oil)
metamucil
wild fish

what else can I put on this list?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Cronos on May 11, 2012, 11:02:19 am
Have yOu happen to read PeakT's book? Basically if you're looking for a simplified answer I'll try and give yoU one. Stay away from fast food... Period. Eat only fruit, veggies, brown rice, quinoa, millet, (grains of that nature) stay away from most processed food and only eat whole foods. You're asking for a specific list but there is to much variety in food choices to give a specific list. Figure out what you like and go from there. Low Fat or relatively low fat (I eat in between low fat and Mediterranean) is typically gonna be the way to go. So stay low fat and try to stay away from processed grains like white bread. And what PeakT meant was that how you eat determines what you eat (for example if you eat a higher fat diet you're allowed nuts and seeds ect could possibly eat some meat. If you're low fat then nuts and seeds are off limits) %100 whole grain cereals should be ok also (although ideally I would shy away from those as well but for the sake of ease) as long as you're daily calorie intake from fat doesn't exceed 10-15 % as you said you're low fat.
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2012, 01:13:26 pm
Watchn:  Cronos is right:  I asked what diet you want to follow because, for example, a Mediterranean Diet allow different foods than Low Fat, so we have to start there.  You've mentioned Low Fat before, I believe, but you seem like you're about to snap :) so I wanted to double check where you were at.  If you're interested in the traditional Low Fat, then here is more information:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/What_Is_Low_Fat_Diet

A Mediterranean Diet, on the other hand, encourages more fat (primarily olive oil and nuts) and some meat as well.

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 11, 2012, 08:14:45 pm
Watchn:  Cronos is right:  I asked what diet you want to follow because, for example, a Mediterranean Diet allow different foods than Low Fat, so we have to start there.  You've mentioned Low Fat before, I believe, but you seem like you're about to snap :) so I wanted to double check where you were at.  If you're interested in the traditional Low Fat, then here is more information:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/What_Is_Low_Fat_Diet

A Mediterranean Diet, on the other hand, encourages more fat (primarily olive oil and nuts) and some meat as well.
thanks  guys...I understand what it takes to eat on this new way of eating
I dont eat on this diet 100% of the time and I was looking for foods to eat when I want a break,
If I want to have the results, I gotta put in the work
but I wanted to take a meal off the diet sometimes, and I was just looking for foods I could eat, that werent that bad
so no transfat,  not too many  hydogenated oils, etc

I dont think I was too obscure in what I wrote and what I wanted, I kept getting  comments like go read the books, wtf are you asking for
and not just getting  some simple rules to follow or lists of foods
jolly ranchers? high in sugar, but no trans fats, are they ok?
potato chips made with olestra?
sherbert ice cream?
instant oatmeal?

if eating Peaks way is one extreme and eating a western diet is the other, I was looking for foods that would hit the middle

I still dont see why this is so hard to understand?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 11, 2012, 08:21:46 pm
Have yOu happen to read PeakT's book? Basically if you're looking for a simplified answer I'll try and give yoU one. Stay away from fast food... Period. Eat only fruit, veggies, brown rice, quinoa, millet, (grains of that nature) stay away from most processed food and only eat whole foods.
You're asking for a specific list but there is to much variety in food choices to give a specific list. Figure out what you like and go from there. Low Fat or relatively low fat (I eat in between low fat and Mediterranean) is typically gonna be the way to go. So stay low fat and try to stay away from processed grains like white bread.
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thats pretty good, thanks


And what PeakT meant was that how you eat determines what you eat (for example if you eat a higher fat diet you're allowed nuts and seeds ect could possibly eat some meat. If you're low fat then nuts and seeds are off limits) %100 whole grain cereals should be ok also (although ideally I would shy away from those as well but for the sake of ease) as long as you're daily calorie intake from fat doesn't exceed 10-15 % as you said you're low fat.
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I didnt understand and still dont why asking what kind of diet I want matters when Im looking for not so bad food choices that arent going to be something I usually consume in my ideal diet.

ideally, you want low/no fat cept w-3s, so just tell me the foods that would be somewhere in the middle and let me figure out the rest on my own

saying something like,
"avoid fats, cept w-3s, but if you do have fats, have unsaturated, saturated, trans in the order, but do your utmost to avoid saturated and trans,they are the real killers"

that would have been a lot more useful than, "are you on a high or low fat diet?"
might as well be asking what kind of computer I want,"do you want a computer to last a little while and be crappy when you use it, or last a long time and be easy to use and fast?"
is that a real question to ask?
I didnt find that question useful or why the answer mattered at all
I wanted a list of so-so foods, I could eat sometimes
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2012, 09:42:34 pm

if eating Peaks way is one extreme and eating a western diet is the other, I was looking for foods that would hit the middle

I still dont see why this is so hard to understand?

Go easy on me watchn.  I had no idea that's what you were asking.  And, now that I understand, I'm going to put the ball back in your court:  you will have to figure out what's kind of good for you.  I simply don't have time to research "half way good" foods and dietary regimens.  You're a smart guy:  let us know some compromises that you think are reasonable.  It seriously might help someone else.
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Cronos on May 11, 2012, 10:11:25 pm
Yeah I don't think the way you responded watchn was very called for we were both just trying to help and obviously missed the point of your question.

It really seems like you've already answered your own question though.

Once again their is no real way we can give you a specific list because of variety and then time constraints on our side. Ideally you would want to stay away from trans fats and anything high in saturated fat and high in sugar. Once again that defeats the point in my opinion. Might as well just eat low fat whole foods. If you're gonna splurge then just splurge and don't worry about it to much. I don't think going "crazy" everyonce and a while will hurt you to much in the long run but otherwise stay on the "straight and narrow".
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 12, 2012, 01:49:11 am

if eating Peaks way is one extreme and eating a western diet is the other, I was looking for foods that would hit the middle

I still dont see why this is so hard to understand?

Go easy on me watchn.  I had no idea that's what you were asking.  And, now that I understand, I'm going to put the ball back in your court:  you will have to figure out what's kind of good for you.  I simply don't have time to research "half way good" foods and dietary regimens.  You're a smart guy:  let us know some compromises that you think are reasonable.  It seriously might help someone else.

I was not trying to throw anything in anyone face. I hope you all understand that
I am trying to find straight answers about what to do
Are all trans fats called trans fats?

Im just going to eat the same thing day in day out, on saturdays I'm gonnna have a box of rice chex and organic fat free milk after I lift weights and some
wheat thins Flatbread with marinara sauce
and some WhoNu cookies(which have saturated fat)
this wil be my diet till I  get under 190lbs, new blood tests and see how Im doing

my left shoulder has been hurting since Monday, either Im having a heart attack or the throbbing has to do with working out

arent I correct in thinking, that saturated fat will have less of a determinantal effect if I do some light cardio,, after eating it? just walking?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 12, 2012, 07:28:09 am
Np.  Trans fats are basically just fats cooked at high heats until they are mangled.  So the issue is the level of heat and for how long as far as I know.  I have read so many negative things about trans fats that I do not really see a safe level for them and I avoid them at all costs.  I know it's frustrating because they sometimes get hidden in foods, but that's America for you.  You have to decide for yourself what you think acceptable risk is.

Now the most important thing:  get yourself checked out on that shoulder or whatever it is.  Don't let all this hard you've put in go to waste.

Yes, cardio and/or walnuts partially offset the blood flow issue of saturated fat.  Of course, exercise isn't a panacea, though, but if you want to partially over come the effects, I can see where you are headed.

I've got the feeling your're about to snap from all the changes and the dieting and so on.  And I have one comforting thought for you:  losing weight tends to lower inflammation and give better outcomes.  So if you can just eat half way decently, you should be in good shape.  So hang in there for the final stretch.

Also, one thing that Ornish talks about in his book is that if you give up fat for a couple of weeks, the craving for it goes away.  But if you even eat a little of it, the desire does not decrease at all.  I have noticed that myself.  So cold turkey may be better for you - you'll have to experiment.  On the other hand, you're making so many changes, maybe that's too much for you right now.

Also, if you are really struggling the low fat thing, then consider these two studies.  These studies show that under some circumstances, other dietary patterns may be very suited.  I'll let you read the studies just to keep this post to a reasonable length!

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0708681

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 12, 2012, 09:40:21 pm
some foods for those off meals
http://www.franmccullough.com/goodfat/free.php
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 12, 2012, 09:42:57 pm
Np.  Trans fats are basically just fats cooked at high heats until they are mangled.  So the issue is the level of heat and for how long as far as I know.  I have read so many negative things about trans fats that I do not really see a safe level for them and I avoid them at all costs.  I know it's frustrating because they sometimes get hidden in foods, but that's America for you.  You have to decide for yourself what you think acceptable risk is.

Now the most important thing:  get yourself checked out on that shoulder or whatever it is.  Don't let all this hard you've put in go to waste.

Yes, cardio and/or walnuts partially offset the blood flow issue of saturated fat.  Of course, exercise isn't a panacea, though, but if you want to partially over come the effects, I can see where you are headed.

I've got the feeling your're about to snap from all the changes and the dieting and so on.  And I have one comforting thought for you:  losing weight tends to lower inflammation and give better outcomes.  So if you can just eat half way decently, you should be in good shape.  So hang in there for the final stretch.

Also, one thing that Ornish talks about in his book is that if you give up fat for a couple of weeks, the craving for it goes away.  But if you even eat a little of it, the desire does not decrease at all.  I have noticed that myself.  So cold turkey may be better for you - you'll have to experiment.  On the other hand, you're making so many changes, maybe that's too much for you right now.

Also, if you are really struggling the low fat thing, then consider these two studies.  These studies show that under some circumstances, other dietary patterns may be very suited.  I'll let you read the studies just to keep this post to a reasonable length!

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0708681

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022637

food has been my drug for so long, I dont know what else to use
I know there are foods I can enjoy without killling myself, I just have to find them....
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 13, 2012, 07:25:21 am
some foods for those off meals
http://www.franmccullough.com/goodfat/free.php

I don't think you're int'd in food preparation, but it's fairly easy to make your own Power Bars.  Mike Mahler has a good recipe and there are many other great ones on the internet.  The good thing is that you can make those and you've got a stock or supply for awhile.  And you can take them anywhere...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 13, 2012, 07:28:46 am

food has been my drug for so long, I dont know what else to use
I know there are foods I can enjoy without killling myself, I just have to find them....

This will sound kind of strange, but once you get in shape working out is actually a decent drug.  You can get a high that's quite remarkable if you learn not to overtrain and push yourself just the right amount.  I've always worked out over lunch and, whenever I miss it, I would find that I actually get angry and that's because I miss those few hours of "elation"...

If you're gonna cheat, dark chocolate is a pretty good way to do it.  Stearic acid does not raise cholesterol as much as other fats and a good brand will have some decent flavonoid content.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/60/6/986S
http://www.ynhh.org/about-us/chocolate
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 14, 2012, 11:52:04 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of a meal to eat that is just easy and I can pick up as I go home
which is why I wanted names of food I can get at the store
Chipotle  seems have no transfats at least
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 15, 2012, 03:43:03 am
Sorry - I'm a little slow here.  Chipotle's is pretty good, but you're gonna get some fat of course, but I understand you're looking for mild compromise.  You can do similarly well at a Baja Fresh and other fast Mexican restaurants.  Many Asian fast food restaurants have brown rice with pretty safe ingredients (if they triple promise not to put any MSG in their food).  So there's a lot of choice actually if you are willing to go that route.
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 16, 2012, 03:02:24 am
Sorry - I'm a little slow here.  Chipotle's is pretty good, but you're gonna get some fat of course, but I understand you're looking for mild compromise.  You can do similarly well at a Baja Fresh and other fast Mexican restaurants.  Many Asian fast food restaurants have brown rice with pretty safe ingredients (if they triple promise not to put any MSG in their food).  So there's a lot of choice actually if you are willing to go that route.
I totally forgot about the HCAs in cooked meat
I am sorta at a fork in my road to regain my health.
I can either go vegan and eat vegan and buy a vegan cookbook
or
I can  have one meal a week, of whatever I want, if the other 90% of the time, Im vegan  and stay on my simple diet of veganish foods, like eggwhites/some fruit, lots of veggies(carrots, cucumbers, brocolli beets apples and  a few prunes)

I looked at vegan cookbook today at barnesand noble, which was great for me, it showed me what I'd be eating, calories, etc
http://www.nealbarnard.org/books.cfm
Neal D. Barnard, M.D., 21-Day Weight Loss Kickstart: Boost Metabolism, Lower Cholesterol, and Dramatically Improve Your Health (2011: Hachette Book Group)

thats the book
and the prep to make his food looks complex, I have no idea what the muck most of the ingredients are

so Im gonna go till June 11th, and eat what I listed before, (eggwhites/efas/some berries/veggies)   win my weight contest, get below 200lbs(presently at 225 or so)
and then see how I feel
I dont like complex stuff when it comes to eating.  I like to just grab my food and chow down
so I'll keep ya aprised, I still gotta make a results thread, its hader than I realized, but you will understand later
thanks
oh ,if you have a book that has vegan recipies, I'll  look through it/buy it maybe....just the title is good
when I first stated this weight loss contest, I told my old med school phyisioolgy teacher who  asked me why I was taking the drugs I was taking, he told me to go vegan
after reading Dr Neils book,  Im tired of having lost my health..I want to destroy a womans vagina again....perhaps I have said too much 8)
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 16, 2012, 01:21:50 pm
Vegans do very well - just look at Mike Mahler for a great example of a guy who is into the strength side of that world.  He has a good web site with quite a few interesting articles as well:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Mike_Mahler_Interview

Veganism is not really in vogue right now with men - it's just too countercultural at this point.  However, vegans have done very well in many studies and, as I point out, there are indications that they actually have better testosterone:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Vegetarian

NOTE:  I doubt a low fat vegan will have as high of T however.

I do have one important caution though if you are considering going that route, especially since you said you are a "sit down, slam it down" kind of eater:

If you're going to go vegan, watch out for the prepared foods.  There are a ton of prepared foods now for vegans and many of them are high glycemic foods.  I know of people who have done poorly on vegan and vegetarian diets, but it is because they were eating way too much white bread/white rice/cracker/granola-type stuff.  This is just as bad for you - maybe worse - than the carnivore that slurps down 40 grams of saturated fat every day to "boost his testosterone" and be a good caveman.

I know you're not suggesting that, but I'm just mentioning that, because, when we get busy, it's easy to lapse into the easy stuff.  You always want as low of a low glycemic load as possible (unless you're exercising two hours plus per day)...

One comment about the Bernard recipes - Ornish has good ones too in his books:  if you can take a few months to learn how to cook like that and memorize the basics, then I'm sure it gets much easier.  Of course, that's really the ideal.  You can probably learn to cook something very good with about a half hour or 45 minutes of work once you get organized and get it into the ol' memory banks.  And let me tell you:  if a woman sees a man who actually owns and operates a set of ginsu knives and knows what to do with a colander - well, that's got to pay big rewards later...



Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 18, 2012, 04:50:17 pm
NOTE:  I doubt a low fat vegan will have as high of T however.
Yes, I understand.  sorta
I read your article,l 12 Powerful Reasons To Go On a Low Fat Diet that had the blurb at the end
  "Depending on your dietary pattern before going on a Low Fat Diet, there is some chance that it could lower your testosterone a little.  Usually, one is more than compensated by the improved endothelial function, blood flow and nitric oxide, but it may be something watch out for.  However, if you have heart disease and erectile dysfunction, then you should - ask your doctor first of course! - go on the Ornish Diet anyway to partially reverse your problems. Remember that erectile dysfunction is primarily a cardiovascular problem.  The Low Fat Diet will help the great majority of guys out there with this issue.  "
so until I get my potbelly into a washboard belly, I will be eating low fat,
But how do you define low fat?
If I eat 0 trans fats and 0 saturated fats and increase omega-3s to 3-6grams/day(via Carlson's Norgigan Cod liver oil) would that help with my T-level if I'm on a low fat diet? or is the T-level needing non-omega-3s?



I do have one important caution though if you are considering going that route, especially since you said you are a "sit down, slam it down" kind of eater:
Yes, thats why I made this thread! 

I wonder why/how the body is differently affected by what you eat when you are lean vs fat

If you're going to go vegan, watch out for the prepared foods.  There are a ton of prepared foods now for vegans and many of them are high glycemic foods.  I know of people who have done poorly on vegan and vegetarian diets, but it is because they were eating way too much white bread/white rice/cracker/granola-type stuff.  This is just as bad for you - maybe worse - than the carnivore that slurps down 40 grams of saturated fat every day to "boost his testosterone" and be a good caveman.

I have found a site that shows just some ingredients to avoid, which I really hate always having have to look for, but still do (mostly)
http://blog.lef.org/2012/03/harmful-food-ingredients-to-avoid.html

the caveman remark is why I asked about the types of fat on a low fat diet.

I know you're not suggesting that, but I'm just mentioning that, because, when we get busy, it's easy to lapse into the easy stuff.  You always want as low of a low glycemic load as possible (unless you're exercising two hours plus per day)...
Oddly enough, I know you wrote blood sugar spikes lead to decreased testosterone
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/How-To-Increase-Testosterone-Naturally
  I've found I get amrous after a few carbs.... too many carbs and I get sleepy.....I'm not sure why that is, usually its post "cardio" we sleep or indulge in ice cream. etc( I thought this was from the dopamine spike or prolactin or something)


One comment about the Bernard recipes - Ornish has good ones too in his books:  if you can take a few months to learn how to cook like that and memorize the basics, then I'm sure it gets much easier.  Of course, that's really the ideal.  You can probably learn to cook something very good with about a half hour or 45 minutes of work once you get organized and get it into the ol' memory banks.  And let me tell you:  if a woman sees a man who actually owns and operates a set of ginsu knives and knows what to do with a colander - well, that's got to pay big rewards later...
back in 2002, I got myself down to 8% bodyfat, eating turkey patties, broccoili/oatmeal and eggwhites/...
it was easy, I'd make about a weeks worth of cooked patties and freeze them,
whenever I had a meal(which were mostly all planned) I'd nuke the meat and some veggies and eat.

point is, My goal isnt to spend 1 hour/meal, but to make a bunch of meals to be able to have
thats why I drink eggwhites, simple, easy to do, no prep time.
Thats why I want to know what I can eat at the store(prepacked food) so I can just grab something and eat it, and not spend 1 hour or so making a meal.

My eating habbits were so bad over the years, me  "self-medicating" for the crap in my life, I'd go to the store and grab some chocolate milk and cereal, it didnt matter what kind, Id just want food so Id get whatever was cheapest/closests to me in the asile.
I'm still the same way.....the only diffference is I am going healthy.(as per this site) so I want to grab stufff and eat it and stay healthy
I dont want to have to spend time each day making food, so currently I dont and Im making great progress.
the only change is I want more instant options..
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 18, 2012, 07:19:28 pm
Okay, but I spend less than 10 minutes per day preparing food and maybe five minutes washing dishes.  Why not go that route?  I guess that's what I'm missing.  It's actually faster to make those kind of things at home cuzz you don't even have to drive to the store, wait in line, drive back, etc.

1.  Also watch out for salmonella with the raw egg whites.  If it doesn't kill you, it'll make you wish you were.
2.  fyi:  The turkey patties have significant AA.  Middle-aged and older guys - beware!

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 19, 2012, 06:52:46 am
Okay, but I spend less than 10 minutes per day preparing food and maybe five minutes washing dishes.  Why not go that route?  I guess that's what I'm missing.  It's actually faster to make those kind of things at home cuzz you don't even have to drive to the store, wait in line, drive back, etc.



I'm not foolish enough to not listen to what you have to say, I go through life trying to absorb what's useful;
so tell  me, what are some of these easy recipes you make?

 Perhaps I would skip the eggwhites/veggies and make something you eat and find that just as satisfying... because I cant go get food better/cheaper than i can make it, as the folllowing tale explains:

I went with my mom today out to chipolte.  We ate there the 1st day she came into town and she leaves tomorrow, but we liked it
it was  my 3rd time of being there.
after eating there, I looked online to see nutrition of the food
so when I went back, I had no taco/burrito shell, I just had steak/green and red peppers, onions and tomatoes and lots of lettuce
because they serve paper cups, I bring  my own with me to avoid BPa from papercups
I was eating my food , I have never eaten peppers or onions and just recently started eating tomatoes,, I looked what I was eating and realize,dCRAP I'm eating off a paper plate!


so If I want a meal to satisfy my cravings beyond the eggwhites/veggies/fruit I normally have, what do you have thats good?


1.  Also watch out for salmonella with the raw egg whites.  If it doesn't kill you, it'll make you wish you were.
2.  fyi:  The turkey patties have significant AA.  Middle-aged and older guys - beware!

Hmmm
let me revisit 2 things
1 I eat eggwhites(eggbeaters) they are commerical  eggwhites, I dont use raw eggs
2 I know longer eat turkey patties, that was over 10 yrs ago and helped me lost 10% bodyfat


But how do you define low fat?
If I eat 0 trans fats and 0 saturated fats and increase omega-3s to 3-6grams/day(via Carlson's Norgigan Cod liver oil) would that help with my T-level if I'm on a low fat diet? or is the T-level needing non-omega-3s to not decrease with a low fat diet?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 19, 2012, 11:22:07 pm
Sorry - gotta make this quick as I have family in town.

Low Fat a la Ornish and Esselstyn is about 10% of calories as fat.  However, it in the literature, "low fat" is actually definted as "very low fat" generally and is 15% or less.  I'm just mentioning it in case you do a pubmed type search.

Okay, here are two things I do:

I put some lentils - not too much or you'll hurt yourself - and a mixture of quinoa/millet/brown rice into a rice cooker.  In twenty minutes it's done and it's fluffy.  Then basically I add a bunch of superfoods to it.  My favorites are squeezed limes with various Italian herbs and a bunch of shredded cabbage that I buy in a bag.  The whole thing takes me maybe 7 minutes of prep time.  Then I take the whole thing to work with me and eat it during the day.  Oh and I left out salsa:  I buy that in a glass jar and add that (but not too much to avoid the salt that is in it).

Now it tastes pretty good to me:  it's kind of like tabouli.  So that's an example.  But there's a 100 other things you can throw in there if you're creative at all.  But I'm not creative when it comes to food - sorry!

Another I do is use a little oat meal and cook it with a little Maca and blueberries.  I will then add a little jelly to it - the kind that is all fruit juice and no corn syrup or sugar - and bam I'm done.  That takes maybe two minutes of work.

I also use undenatured whey protein powder and other undenatured protein powders along with egg whites, etc.

Now I know all of that is kind of primitive and not for most people, so that's why I don't really go into it.  You'll have to come up with your own way that you like.  Just stay on the whole foods if at all possible and you'll be in good shape.  Keep the fat relatively low - you don't have to be religious about it - and you'll do great.

By the way, the naturopathic doctor on this site swears by getting your essential fats a al Udo's, etc.  There's anothe rthing you can slam down (but don't go crazy).  That's not part of a low fat diet by the way, but it's a quick 140 calories.  Or nuts/seeds are another great choice for a small part of your diet.  I will eat a little bit of sunflower seeds often:  they're a great source of panthothenic acid.

Hope that helps...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 20, 2012, 02:09:58 pm
Sorry - gotta make this quick as I have family in town.
there is no reason to rush
Low Fat a la Ornish and Esselstyn is about 10% of calories as fat.  However, it in the literature, "low fat" is actually definted as "very low fat" generally and is 15% or less.  I'm just mentioning it in case you do a pubmed type search.
Perhaps I wasnt clear enough with my question,
to get enough fat to not affect my testosterone level, how much do fat do I need?
can this fat be omega-3s or do I need to eat saturated fat?


Okay, here are two things I do:

I put some lentils - not too much or you'll hurt yourself - and a mixture of quinoa/millet/brown rice into a rice cooker.  In twenty minutes it's done and it's fluffy.  Then basically I add a bunch of superfoods to it.  My favorites are squeezed limes with various Italian herbs and a bunch of shredded cabbage that I buy in a bag.  The whole thing takes me maybe 7 minutes of prep time.  Then I take the whole thing to work with me and eat it during the day.  Oh and I left out salsa:  I buy that in a glass jar and add that (but not too much to avoid the salt that is in it).
why would too many lentils hurt me?  how much is too much?
Would you pass on a products name you like? this sounds like a good recipe

Now it tastes pretty good to me:  it's kind of like tabouli.  So that's an example.  But there's a 100 other things you can throw in there if you're creative at all.  But I'm not creative when it comes to food - sorry!
I like results, the means to get these results is usually inverse to the results. hard work=good results= easy work=poor results, etc
Another I do is use a little oat meal and cook it with a little Maca and blueberries.  I will then add a little jelly to it - the kind that is all fruit juice and no corn syrup or sugar - and bam I'm done.  That takes maybe two minutes of work.
I use Maca from NOW, it comes in a pill form. what is the name of te MACA product you are using?  what kind of oatmeal? old fashioned quaker?
 
By the way, the naturopathic doctor on this site swears by getting your essential fats a al Udo's, etc.  There's anothe rthing you can slam down (but don't go crazy).  That's not part of a low fat diet by the way, but it's a quick 140 calories.  Or nuts/seeds are another great choice for a small part of your diet.  I will eat a little bit of sunflower seeds often:  they're a great source of panthothenic acid.!
I got lost here, what is Udos?
Do you mean, "Udo's Choice Oil Blend?" That's not on Consumer labs, so what relevance is it that a naturopathic  doctor "swears" by it?

Hope that helps...
Actually it did, I dont mean to pick apart what you wrote, but I  dont 100% everything, so I simply asked
This post helped me because I had asked a friend, who was eating a fatty meal in front of me(even though her family all has diabetes) what she thought about a "vegan" diet and she told me vegans were a small cluster of nutjobs who didnt have a lot of choice in what to eat to stay "vegan" and the foods they could get meant lots of prep time.
I told her I was eating vegan, eggwhites and fruit for the most part, and I spent nearly no prep time.(washing fruit, going to the store, but everyone has to shop at stores, so that time is moot)

I found 2 pre-made fooods and I wondered what you thought about them
Quorn Chik'n Juggets
http://www.quorn.us/products/Chik%27n_Nuggets
Ingredients

Mycoprotein (28%), rehydrated egg white, enriched wheat flour (niacin, reduced iron, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid), canola oil, onions, textured wheat protein (wheat protein, wheat starch). Contains 2% or less of whey protein concentrate, salt, buttermilk powder, rice flour, dextrose, yeast, garlic powder, autolyzed yeast extract, tapioca starch, pectin, natural flavors from non-meat sources, sunflower oil, ascorbic acid, black and white pepper, citric acid, onion powder, gum arabic, celery seed, calcium lactate, paprika extract, lemon oil

Made from natural ingredients.

and

"Amys Burrito"

http://www.amys.com/products/product-detail/burritos-and-wraps/000070

Ingredients :
(Vegan) Organic pinto beans, organic whole wheat & wheat flour, filtered water, organic brown rice, organic tomato puree, expeller pressed high oleic safflower and/or sunflower oil, organic onions, organic bell peppers, organic sweet rice flour, sea salt, spices, organic wheat gluten, organic garlic. Contains wheat.
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 20, 2012, 09:33:44 pm
1.  You first q is difficult to definitely answer.  The studies were a) generally small, b) only certain subpopulations, c) often changed more than one variable (fat and fiber for example) and so on.  However, you can get an idea by reading this link:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/TwoFs
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Diet

And here is the million dollar question:  do men who eat a lower fat diet and possibly end up with a little lower testosterone preserve their testosterone several decades longer than other men?  There is some epidemiological evidence that this is the case.  For example, let's see you eat a lower fat and lower your T from 675 to 530.  Now your T is relatively high and your endothelium is in incredible shape.  You are probably pumping out nitric oxide and avoiding arteriosclerosis and inflammation.  And best of all:  you are in good shape when you hit 70.  You probably still have testosterone close to 530 and your endothelium is doing excellent. 

In fact, you approach your wife and tell her you want to start a second family.  Of course, she slaps you so hard that you never ask that question again...

But the bottom line is no one knows the answer to an exact fat level per unit testosterone question.  You will have to that experiment yourself (which is possible with place like Life Extension, etc.)

2.  Have you ever eaten a lot of lentils?  I don't think you have, but let's just say it's the equivalent of inflating your colon to about 200 psi. 

3.  I use Navitas powder.  Some guys would do better with the gelatinized from due to digestive (enzyme) issues.

4.  Well, the doc - naturopath on this board - that I am referring to has had good success with giving essential fats to his patients.  You'll have to ask him for details though.

5.  The comments about vegans, with all due respect to your friend, is completely ignorant.  Mike Mahler will grab your friend and throw him/her over over a 12 foot high jump rail - he's built an incredible physique and excellent strength on a vegan-only diet and quite a few other top level athletes have done the same.  Furthermore, vegans have excellent testosterone and great mortality.  I'm not vegan, but I very much respect the results and your friend should too imo.

6.  It's really too hard to evaluate individual products.  One of the reasons is that you have to decide 1) what your dietary system really is, 2) how much "cheating" you are going to allow and other similar questions.  I will say this though:

 Imo you always want to avoid  1) excitotoxins and 2) trans fats and severely limit 3) high glycemic foods. 

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 21, 2012, 02:14:10 am
1.  You first q is difficult to definitely answer.  The studies were a) generally small, b) only certain subpopulations, c) often changed more than one variable (fat and fiber for example) and so on.  However, you can get an idea by reading this link:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/TwoFs
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Diet
And here is the million dollar question:  do men who eat a lower fat diet and possibly end up with a little lower testosterone preserve their testosterone several decades longer than other men?  There is some epidemiological evidence that this is the case.  For example, let's see you eat a lower fat and lower your T from 675 to 530.  Now your T is relatively high and your endothelium is in incredible shape.  You are probably pumping out nitric oxide and avoiding arteriosclerosis and inflammation.  And best of all:  you are in good shape when you hit 70.  You probably still have testosterone close to 530 and your endothelium is doing excellent. 

In fact, you approach your wife and tell her you want to start a second family.  Of course, she slaps you so hard that you never ask that question again...

But the bottom line is no one knows the answer to an exact fat level per unit testosterone question.  You will have to that experiment yourself (which is possible with place like Life Extension, etc.)
I will go on a low low fat diet using onlyy omega 3s and see what the new blood test says when I hit 15% bodyfat

2.  Have you ever eaten a lot of lentils?  I don't think you have, but let's just say it's the equivalent of inflating your colon to about 200 psi. 
I have no idea what lentil were till you mentioned them, that's also why I asked for a produt to use ,cause I have no idea whats good/bad
3.  I use Navitas powder.  Some guys would do better with the gelatinized from due to digestive (enzyme) issues.
navitas powder for maca? I use that daily as well as take 1 or 2 NOW brand Maca pills.

4.  Well, the doc - naturopath on this board - that I am referring to has had good success with giving essential fats to his patients.  You'll have to ask him for details though.
anecdotal evidence is ancedotal.  I use a product that is tested and shown to be full of omega-3s and I know what omega-3s do in the body.

5.  The comments about vegans, with all due respect to your friend, is completely ignorant.  Mike Mahler will grab your friend and throw him/her over over a 12 foot high jump rail - he's built an incredible physique and excellent strength on a vegan-only diet and quite a few other top level athletes have done the same.  Furthermore, vegans have excellent testosterone and great mortality.  I'm not vegan, but I very much respect the results and your friend should too imo.
you are preaching to the choir!
this weight loss contest I'm in has people who dont understand why they arent losing fat.  (then it comes to light at 63inches, they are eating 1500calories(20% protein) a day...
my friend is immensly overweight and never has time to not eat.
yes NOT EAT, isnt that what dieting is?  not eating.....I explained how food is a drug and all fat people are drug addicts,,,,she's gonna try to diet.......yeah, I'm gonna try to shave...... ;)
6.  It's really too hard to evaluate individual products.  One of the reasons is that you have to decide 1) what your dietary system really is, 2) how much "cheating" you are going to allow and other similar questions.  I will say this though:
I ment
1.  I asked for your thoughts on those 2 products because I didnt see any that were obvious red flags to avoid, and thought you might
you can't evaluate a product because you dont know how much "cheating" I will do?  Im not sure what this means....
I feel like I"m at the hardware store and want to buy a pair of pliers and I show someone my tentative purchase
is this a good pair of pliers? and they look at me and say
what is your credit score?  you want to buy a pair of pliers that will do the job and not break.....


2 what is this cheating? you mean eating things not on my diet plan? if so,  how does any of that apply to telling me what brand of products you use?
what am I missing?


Imo you always want to avoid  1) excitotoxins and 2) trans fats and severely limit 3) high glycemic foods.
I try so hard to avoid transfats!
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 21, 2012, 01:46:51 pm
You took cheating the wrong way there.  There's a few guys out there who never cheat and I bow before them.  But most of us cheat a little on our dietary regimens, esp. after a few months on it.  Imo what makes or breaks the person is how much he cheats on his dietary system.

For example, I eat mostly low fat, but I do cheat with occasional bursts of

1.  Dark chocolate
2.  My wife's cooking - and she's a good cook!
3.  Eating out

I don't have time to actually keep track of the above 3, but I would say they probably bump up the fat content of diet into the 15-20% range.  However, my cholesterol is still very low - well below 150, so I am not concerned over it.  Maybe I should be, but I don't think so for a variety of reasons.

Now my impression of what you've written above is that you want to occasional cheat on your low fat diet with things that are fast and easy to fix.  But maybe I didn't quite understand...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 21, 2012, 03:27:21 pm
You took cheating the wrong way there.  There's a few guys out there who never cheat and I bow before them.  But most of us cheat a little on our dietary regimens, esp. after a few months on it.  Imo what makes or breaks the person is how much he cheats on his dietary system.

For example, I eat mostly low fat, but I do cheat with occasional bursts of

1.  Dark chocolate
2.  My wife's cooking - and she's a good cook!
3.  Eating out

I don't have time to actually keep track of the above 3, but I would say they probably bump up the fat content of diet into the 15-20% range.  However, my cholesterol is still very low - well below 150, so I am not concerned over it.  Maybe I should be, but I don't think so for a variety of reasons.

Now my impression of what you've written above is that you want to occasional cheat on your low fat diet with things that are fast and easy to fix.  But maybe I didn't quite understand...
you seem to be thinking too much about a simple question.
I listed the ingredients because I lack the experience/knowledge you have about ingredients and I was hoping you might see a red flag or say the product looks ok to eat.
 does that product seem to fit within your critera of eating.
Oatmeal is ok, but I dont eat 34 servings of it, otherwise that would make it not ok, right?

I also dont really know what you mean by  avoiding "high glycemic foods." is there a way to know if a food is high glycemic by looking at the nutrition label?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 21, 2012, 04:28:27 pm

I also dont really know what you mean by  avoiding "high glycemic foods." is there a way to know if a food is high glycemic by looking at the nutrition label?

Actually, what you really want to read about is "glycemic load".  Do a search on this and there is a lot of good info out there.  The classic example is this:

Carrots have a relatively high glycemic index.  However, if you eat a carrot, it will not raise your blood sugar or insulin much and that is because there aren't a lot of grams of carb in a carrot and it has a lot of fiber.  In fact, you would have to eat a bag of carrots to really spike your blood sugar and insulin.  This concept is glycemic load and I haven't really put much on it on my site simply because there is a lot of good info out there on the www.

Now white breads, sugars, white rice, corn meal, etc. are another story.  Food processors love them and consumers love to eat them, but they have a very high glycemic load and will age your tissues and lead almost all people down a road of diabetes, advanced AGE's and metabolic syndrome because they are so addictive, without fiber, etc.  As the old ad goes, "No one can eat just one."

Of course, if you are an Olympic athlete and training three hours a day, it doesn't really matter that much...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 21, 2012, 04:32:10 pm

you seem to be thinking too much about a simple question.
I listed the ingredients because I lack the experience/knowledge you have about ingredients and I was hoping you might see a red flag or say the product looks ok to eat.
 does that product seem to fit within your critera of eating.
Oatmeal is ok, but I dont eat 34 servings of it, otherwise that would make it not ok, right?


I know why you said it.  But I guess I'm asking you to find the standard list of excitotoxins - they're easy to Google - and also read up on glycemic load.  Once you have a basic understanding of these, then you can do what I do.  (You already know a lot about trans fats I can tell). 

I warn you though: once you upon the door you can't shut it.  There are very few processed foods that I'll touch no matter how hungry I am.  I drive my kids crazy because there are very few bags of chips without excitotoxins in them and I just won't buy them - just can't do it in good conscience, especially since they have such lower levels of tissue mass/plasma, etc..  I want them to have the chance that I and my generation never had and maybe avoid all the secondary hypogonadism and hypothyroidism that we're seeing today...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 22, 2012, 02:00:25 am

you seem to be thinking too much about a simple question.
I listed the ingredients because I lack the experience/knowledge you have about ingredients and I was hoping you might see a red flag or say the product looks ok to eat.
 does that product seem to fit within your critera of eating.
Oatmeal is ok, but I dont eat 34 servings of it, otherwise that would make it not ok, right?


I know why you said it.  But I guess I'm asking you to find the standard list of excitotoxins - they're easy to Google - and also read up on glycemic load.  Once you have a basic understanding of these, then you can do what I do.  (You already know a lot about trans fats I can tell). 

I warn you though: once you upon the door you can't shut it.  There are very few processed foods that I'll touch no matter how hungry I am.  I drive my kids crazy because there are very few bags of chips without excitotoxins in them and I just won't buy them - just can't do it in good conscience, especially since they have such lower levels of tissue mass/plasma, etc..  I want them to have the chance that I and my generation never had and maybe avoid all the secondary hypogonadism and hypothyroidism that we're seeing today...
I dont know what it is I cannot eat
like most people, I learn by doing and If I had an example of what I can eat, what is in this food I can eat, I can just eat it  or realize what I cannot eat
so why not tell me
"I eat  brand x chips" they have no exotoxins
I am not trying to become an expert in tranfats exotoxins
I just want to know what I can eat

you gave some 'reason" why you dont give examples of what you eat, I said, I will figure out how it fits into my goals/overall diet
yet still dont give me anything

I eat this candy that burns fat, makes me taller, makes me smarter and protects my body from cancer......I wont tell you what it is called, I'm not sure of what else you are eating and I need to know your credit score before I can tell you

thats what it sounds like you are saying, what reason do you have for not just telling the board what it is you eat?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 22, 2012, 03:41:31 am

I know why you said it.  But I guess I'm asking you to find the standard list of excitotoxins - they're easy to Google -y...
so heres a site that has a list of something, I can't follow what Im supposed to eat or what Im supposed to avoid
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/hiddensources.html

but instead of giving some product names, you think I should learn this list, then go around looking at every ingredient list to make it sure it has or lacks this list?
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 22, 2012, 01:33:27 pm

but instead of giving some product names, you think I should learn this list, then go around looking at every ingredient list to make it sure it has or lacks this list?

You may not realize it, but what you're kind of asking me to do is be your personal trainer or nutritionist.  Someday I might like to get trained for that as I really enjoy that sort of thing, but, as I stated above, I don't really have time to read through long ingredient lists and other similar things.  Again, don't take it personal:  I do care but have to manage my time just as we all do. 

And, yes, imo the safest thing for a person to do if he is going to buy packaged and processed foods is to train himself to find the hidden trans fats, excitotoxins and so on.  This is really a very useful skill.  With excitotoxins, the bottom line is this:  watch out for the powders.  Once they boil the crap out of many foods, it ends up with some excitotoxin content.

In fact, that's really one of the goals of my site is to try to encourage men to dig into these things and not just trust the big consumer product companies:  they simply don't have our best interest in mind most of the time.

You've already learned a lot and it's great to watch, so keep up the good work..
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 22, 2012, 05:50:50 pm

but instead of giving some product names, you think I should learn this list, then go around looking at every ingredient list to make it sure it has or lacks this list?

You may not realize it, but what you're kind of asking me to do is be your personal trainer or nutritionist.  Someday I might like to get trained for that as I really enjoy that sort of thing, but, as I stated above, I don't really have time to read through long ingredient lists and other similar things.  Again, don't take it personal:  I do care but have to manage my time just as we all do. 

And, yes, imo the safest thing for a person to do if he is going to buy packaged and processed foods is to train himself to find the hidden trans fats, excitotoxins and so on.  This is really a very useful skill.  With excitotoxins, the bottom line is this:  watch out for the powders.  Once they boil the crap out of many foods, it ends up with some excitotoxin content.

In fact, that's really one of the goals of my site is to try to encourage men to dig into these things and not just trust the big consumer product companies:  they simply don't have our best interest in mind most of the time.

You've already learned a lot and it's great to watch, so keep up the good work..
Im trying anything to get something I can use out of you.  Im looking for examples or  a list of ingredients to avoid, but this is where Im at now, not where I started;

first I asked for examples foods I could eat beyond the basics, things I could buy at the store.
no results from asking about that, a few abstract thoughts about, something chocolaty, crunchy but not too crunchy,, etc

I tried to learning from examples, so I pasted a good ingredients list because it looked alright to me, and I thought if you saw a red flag you could tell me what it was good or bad and why
-you tell me you need to know my diet to be able to tell me if a food is good or bad; which still makes no sense to me at all

I googled excitotoxins , didnt know if what I found was any good
I was just looking for what you eat, nothing about me, purely what you do, and you
tell me:

"For example, I eat mostly low fat, but I do cheat with occasional bursts of

1.  Dark chocolate
2.  My wife's cooking - and she's a good cook!
3.  Eating out"

no details, nothing to learn there...? besides you like to eat food that's made by a good cook(I took notes of this epiphany)

Then I try to learn what ingredients to  look for on each package? so I can avoid them  that would make a really good article, unless you already have one...how do I determine what to buy or not to buy??

I suspect if you want anything decent you
1 have to stick to simple foods, fruit, eggwhites  veggies
2 anything else, you should get the best ingredients yourself and bake/cook it


so I guess I need a good recipe book?  but I cant even find the best marinara sauce or I should eat marinara sauce? or what is the main lesson I should learn from some pages
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Excitotoxins_Fast_Food


a page of what ingredients to avoid would be immensely helpful

or a list you google and I can learn from would be great, I can learn anything, but I've asked very specific questions and I dont get answers.....I have nothing to learn....Im just looking for something to learn......

does that recap sound wrong to you?
you say you want
" one of the goals of my site is to try to encourage men to dig into these things "
Pea, I'm digging, but I dont know what to look for, so I keep asking the same stuff, this whole thread, what do I look for?


Remember, my first post in this thread?
Foods that have
no/low saturated fats
NO Trans fats

Im  trying to know what other foods I can eat, not on a daily basis, but sometimes, that arent gonna be that bad

do you think this thread would be 3 pages long if I had answer of"
1.  go to this page.///wwww. list of ingredients to avoid. and dont eat anything with those in them
 or
2 only eat this stuff 99% of the time... the other 1% of the time eat whatever you want


I dont know all the words for transfats, I know hydrogenated food are good to avoid, no matter my diet avoid them
I dont know what other words mean excitoxins or things to avoid, just hit me up with a list of things to avoid,
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 22, 2012, 06:01:48 pm
Excitotoxins are actually difficult to spot completely.  The biggees are autolyzed yeast extract,, aspartame and any kind of hydrolyzed or "textured" proteins (along with MSG itself).  But they can hide it in anything:  from artificial flavors to maltodextrin.  Basically, if you have processed foods with "powders" in them, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer and your own body mass. 

And sometimes you have to use some judgement:  if all the ingrediently look good, but the 10th is "artificial flavor", then you're probably okay.  A  few milligrams of free glutamine probably isn't going to do any harm.

My wife now just hands me the package when I go to the Costco or Trader Joe's and I give it the ol' eagle eye...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 22, 2012, 06:44:19 pm
Excitotoxins are actually difficult to spot completely.  The biggees are autolyzed yeast extract,, aspartame and any kind of hydrolyzed or "textured" proteins (along with MSG itself).  But they can hide it in anything:  from artificial flavors to maltodextrin.  Basically, if you have processed foods with "powders" in them, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer and your own body mass. 

And sometimes you have to use some judgement:  if all the ingrediently look good, but the 10th is "artificial flavor", then you're probably okay.  A  few milligrams of free glutamine probably isn't going to do any harm.

My wife now just hands me the package when I go to the Costco or Trader Joe's and I give it the ol' eagle eye...
avoid:
autolyzed yeast extract
aspartame
any kind of hydrolyzed /"textured" proteins (along with MSG itself).
 free glutamine
artificial flavor
rankings on the list
the higher any of these ingredients is on the list, the more there is in the product, if one of the above ingredients is near the bottom of the list, then the product isnt that bad,but dont eat it often


any more to add, I'll keep this list saved to add to.

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 22, 2012, 06:46:53 pm

My wife now just hands me the package when I go to the Costco or Trader Joe's and I give it the ol' eagle eye...
thats what I tried to do when I listed the ingredients in those 2 burritos....that plan didnt pan out so well.....why you would treat your wife and some online wierdo  differently is beyond me! ;)
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 22, 2012, 06:52:11 pm

thats what I tried to do when I listed the ingredients in those 2 burritos....that plan didnt pan out so well.....why you would treat your wife and some online wierdo  differently is beyond me! ;)

Hey, I've told you this before:  I admire what you're doing.  I've never lost 30 pounds or whatever it is and recovered from a major injury like yours.  You've got almost everyone on this board beat with those two...

But look I have the same issue with men who post their test results.  Often these results have over 20 lab readings.  There's no way I can go through and scruitinize each and comment, etc.  (even if I could mind you)

Now for the wife and kids I'll do just about anything of course.  Well, except Pilates...
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on May 23, 2012, 10:07:41 am

thats what I tried to do when I listed the ingredients in those 2 burritos....that plan didnt pan out so well.....why you would treat your wife and some online wierdo  differently is beyond me! ;)

Hey, I've told you this before:  I admire what you're doing.  I've never lost 30 pounds or whatever it is and recovered from a major injury like yours.  You've got almost everyone on this board beat with those two...

But look I have the same issue with men who post their test results.  Often these results have over 20 lab readings.  There's no way I can go through and scruitinize each and comment, etc.  (even if I could mind you)

Now for the wife and kids I'll do just about anything of course.  Well, except Pilates..
.

you know I do understand and I was just messing with you, Im trying to use your writings to "teach myself to fish" and dont expect you to give me a fish

I did bold what made me chuckle, I like your subtle humor....that's the best kind(I can support that with studies, but I'm confident you'l agree)
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on May 23, 2012, 02:30:04 pm
you know I do understand and I was just messing with you, Im trying to use your writings to "teach myself to fish" and dont expect you to give me a fish

I did bold what made me chuckle, I like your subtle humor....that's the best kind(I can support that with studies, but I'm confident you'l agree)

I bat about .300 I would guess.  That's not too bad...

Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on February 26, 2013, 07:06:33 pm
I think this is the best spot for this as it fits into the thread topic

evol veggie burrito
NUTRITION FACTS
Serving Size: 1 burrito (170 grams)
Calories: 290
Total Fat: 3.5 grams
Saturated Fat: 0
Sodium: 440 mg
Carbohydrates: 56 grams
Fiber: 5 grams
Sugars: 3 grams
Protein: 10 grams

Ingredients

red & green bell peppers, black beans, organic brown rice and an authentic tomato & roasted corn, tomato salsa, cilantro, lime juice, Tortila organic whole wheat flour, water, organic palm oil, salt
http://www.iateapie.net/reviews/archives/frozen-meals/evol-veggie-faj.php
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on February 26, 2013, 07:27:29 pm
Not too bad.  No excitoxins and low saturated fat.  I think you're onto something.  (Of course you know I'm not a big fan of wheat though.)
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: Blade78 on February 26, 2013, 08:59:06 pm
Not too bad.  No excitoxins and low saturated fat.  I think you're onto something.  (Of course you know I'm not a big fan of wheat though.)

I know about the wheat issue,  But I like this food as something I can get and have with me as being very convenient.

I have read different perspectives on W-3s in foods, I was planning to start eating 2 EFA eggs a day(hard boiled) as sometimes I crave a warm food

but since I plan to not  eat the yolk, I don't need to care if the egg is a EFA eggg or not.  I will only eat the egg white as I find the pre-made/pasteurized eggwhites Ive enjoyed for years have a substantial amount of salt

If I recall, this might increase my HDL, but wont hurt my LDL?
right?
but the high AA content is going to do to my arteries what  Im working on avoiding
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=486.0
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BeefnEggs
 one big reason I don't consume egg yolks:  arachidonic acid (AA).  Especially if you don't get enough omega-3's, arachidonic acid increases Inflammation throughout the body. Of course, inflammation is a cause of heart disease, cancer, erectile dysfunction, Alzheimers, arthritis and on and on.  So this is not good, because one egg yolk has around 390 mg of AA, which is a high amount for a food source. [12]

So, while it's true that egg yolks don't raise cholesterol that much, the small boost in cholesterol coupled with the big boost in inflammation may be the kiss of death for your arteries.  One recent study recently found that consuming egg yolks raised carotid artery thickness, a measure of arterial plaque buildup (arteriosclerosis), as much as smoking! [13] In other words, eating egg yolks may very well be as bad for you as smoking. (Some would argue that if you get plenty of omega-3's, you may be okay. I can't thik of a good reason to take the chance.)
Title: Re: foods I can eat
Post by: PeakT on February 27, 2013, 04:44:20 am
Not too bad.  No excitoxins and low saturated fat.  I think you're onto something.  (Of course you know I'm not a big fan of wheat though.)

I know about the wheat issue,  But I like this food as something I can get and have with me as being very convenient.

I have read different perspectives on W-3s in foods, I was planning to start eating 2 EFA eggs a day(hard boiled) as sometimes I crave a warm food

but since I plan to not  eat the yolk, I don't need to care if the egg is a EFA eggg or not.  I will only eat the egg white as I find the pre-made/pasteurized eggwhites Ive enjoyed for years have a substantial amount of salt

If I recall, this might increase my HDL, but wont hurt my LDL?
right?
but the high AA content is going to do to my arteries what  Im working on avoiding
https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=486.0
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/BeefnEggs
 one big reason I don't consume egg yolks:  arachidonic acid (AA).  Especially if you don't get enough omega-3's, arachidonic acid increases Inflammation throughout the body. Of course, inflammation is a cause of heart disease, cancer, erectile dysfunction, Alzheimers, arthritis and on and on.  So this is not good, because one egg yolk has around 390 mg of AA, which is a high amount for a food source. [12]

So, while it's true that egg yolks don't raise cholesterol that much, the small boost in cholesterol coupled with the big boost in inflammation may be the kiss of death for your arteries.  One recent study recently found that consuming egg yolks raised carotid artery thickness, a measure of arterial plaque buildup (arteriosclerosis), as much as smoking! [13] In other words, eating egg yolks may very well be as bad for you as smoking. (Some would argue that if you get plenty of omega-3's, you may be okay. I can't thik of a good reason to take the chance.)

Well, I tend to agree with the above-mentioned author.