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Title: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 21, 2013, 01:46:33 am
Guys,
its been a while still struggling with ED, just a quick recap im 44years suffered weaker erections (ED)for a few years since  26 years. Been using Viagra,Cialis successfully and they stopped working All of a sudden.. since then my life  and world has changed drastically.


I have tried boosting my T level but my T level seems OK for my age (so i am told) i once boosted it successfully  in 6 weeks with CLOMID but didnt improve my erections.It increased from 622 to 982

Lately ive been on the pyncnogenol+Larginine+citrulline +pomegranate+beetroot protocol...(to boost NO levels). but still no MAGIC seem to be happening

I have been getting by with Penile Injections (sparingly) as i am also scared that it might lose its efficacy at some point just like Viagra did

Ever so often i try to analyse or diagnose my ED  in a different light or from a different perspective shall i say

Currently i have realized that i have failed to mention this other physical symptons of my penis

1.In its flaccid state my penis is usually limp, lifeless,wrinkly,(loose skin) hanging loosely (without substance as if tissue-less) , looks shrivelled, and most importantly sometimes narrow in the middle ...like a sausage with a tight rubber band in the middle.
when it manages to go erect (with injection) it looks normal but doesnt  stay upright still points half  downwards ....(im quite long  sorry  guys TMI  just have to explain this).


2.Feels like the  penile tissue is wasting away and i feel like i have the penis of an 80 year old man

I have realized that when i am in the gym i see older looking men (no disrespect) with their penis full (or semi full) and lively as if they are semi erect  even though they are  in their flaccid state (of course)


Surely someone can identify with this problem , most of these point towards penile atrophy or lack of androgen or oxygenated blood to the penis.
I probably suffer extremely poor bloodflow  to my penis...funnily enough , this problem has made me a fitness freak and i look my best  physically as ive ever been .but what a waste of manhood i am these days feels like the harder i work out i still see no improvement in my ED

Most of these problem seems low T related , but i am at 622 could i benefit from increasing it to 1000 or more ?

Comments please guys
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 22, 2013, 12:06:36 am
I doubt that increasing it from 600 to 1000 would help.  The severity of your problem points to something else imho such as arteriosclerosis, venous leakage, nerve damage, etc.  Don't you agree?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: mjm111 on December 22, 2013, 12:48:42 am
Have you ever tried low volume pumping? Go buy a high quality penis pump &u try to get erect before inserting. Pump for 20 minutes or so & get some damn blood running thru that guy. Sex would be even better! Also, try some of Dr. Lin's products (don't know if I can say that?)This but his products work great for sexual exhaustion. I'm 44 &u have taken them for years off & on. VIP cream helps mimick the hormones etc when having sex. The supplements are great & there is so much knowledge on the site, it will blow your mind!  His sight along with Peak Testosterone is about all you need to get up &or running!
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: mjm111 on December 22, 2013, 12:50:37 am
Lin's site is actionlove.com
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 22, 2013, 02:03:37 am
Lin's site is actionlove.com

He has really changed his site for the better.  It used to be one of the standard "overmasturbation" sites, but now it looks like he's beefed it up quite a bit.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 22, 2013, 04:32:32 pm
Thanks Peak  and All
I agree peak my problem probably is not testorone But i have been extremely active and fit over the last 4 years , and have been trying even harder could i still have atheroclosis, i have lost weight over the last 6 months from 102 kg to 85kg and in the best of shape , i know sometimes even fit athletes have atheroclorosis too.

I suppose i have to stay on the  pyncnogenol+larginine +citrulline +beetroot+pomegranate   for a long long time ...i suppose up to 3 months lets see what happens, i have ordered Naltrexone as well and waiting for it to arrive.

I havent tried volume pumping does those work, also ive been told that if the  penile injection works then its definitely not venous leak, its gotta  be some nerve damage  or spinal chord problem or something more central like central nervous system  hence my arousal system is so dysfunctional

I will look up atherocloris remedies on your site in addition to my protocol
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 22, 2013, 04:47:50 pm
Hey mjm111 ihave just had a brief look at this site ,but will look at it later in detail , but is there anything you tried that worked significantly for you and what was your background ED ?.Please provide more details Thanks

please recommend any particularly product that has clearly worked well, the site is full of links i will take my time to browse through  thanks so much
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 22, 2013, 08:50:06 pm

I will look up atherocloris remedies on your site in addition to my protocol

Sure.  That's always a good idea imo.  Now the citrulline and beetroot juice should have helped though, so I'm not sure that's your root cause either.  I do have to say, though, that if you're eating a lot of saturated and total fat, you have the citrulline and the beetroot juice trying to dilate your arteries and the saturated fat trying to do the opposite.  Who will win?  Well, that probably depends.

Also, if you're eating too many refined carbs or fructose that can shut you down.

Again, I doubt your root problem is dietary since your problem is so severe.  Seems like it has to neurotransmitter or hormone-related?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 23, 2013, 12:20:52 pm
Has to be Nuerotrasmitters or central nervous system
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 23, 2013, 03:42:52 pm
Has to be Nuerotrasmitters or central nervous system

Yeah, imho that seems right due to the severity.  But that is not necessarily a given.  Check this out:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15643238
"Intima-media thickening of common carotid arteries is a risk factor for severe erectile dysfunction in men with vascular risk factors but no clinical evidence of atherosclerosis."

" A high IMT score but not an increased measure for each VRF, including aging, significantly increased the risk of severe ED (odds ratio 2.6, confidence interval 1.1 to 5.9) even after controlling for smoking and drugs associated with ED."

IMT, as you may know, is a measure of plaque build up.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: Bigjohn on December 23, 2013, 06:07:05 pm
I've been using daily Cialis and Doxazosin. I would be surprised if that doesn't kick things n high gear. The Doxazosin may work on its own. It did wonders for me. Google it and research.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 24, 2013, 01:04:19 am
BigJohn overcome some pretty serious erectile dysfunction with Doxazosin and Cialis.  He gives his protocol here:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2874.0
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 24, 2013, 04:27:08 pm
Thanks Guys Peak and BigJohn ...Peak interesting , good read and interesting i will try to find out what to do to treat this  intima-media thickness (IMT) of common carotid arteries.(if i have any how do i diagnose i will try to send my doctors thinking into that direction see what she says

Any suggesstion? ... i will try to look at the Doxasozin option as well....in the meantime i started with 25mg of Naltrexone last night seem to make me sleep well its early days lets see what happens.
After my Naltrexone  experiment (hope its successful) other wise i may try doxasozin too and see hopefully i dont have to.I am still encouraged by BigJohns posts or suggestions on doxasozin

In the meantime is anyone on Naltexone protocol that we can share experiences on
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 24, 2013, 05:06:37 pm
I thought i should add this .... i dont have high blood pressure or been on medication for any but i like the fact that doxasozin alos treat inflaamed prostrate, i m not sure i have that but one of my symptons are frequent urination
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 24, 2013, 05:12:29 pm
Hey  http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/sexandrelationships/medicinessex.htm  doxasozin may cause Ed so this link says ...this is getting confusing.. I thought doxasozin is meant to help improve ED as BigJohn  experienced

also i read that Naltrexone may also cause  ED ...this is again conflicting ...but i will try them anyway...anyway share your thoughts
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on December 29, 2013, 01:17:58 am
More comments on this please  people
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on December 29, 2013, 01:32:50 am
Yes, you just have to try it.  Most if the legit ED studies will improve a third or two thirds of the guys, but there will of course be the exceptions.  Imo Naltrexone is for men that can't solve their issues through supplements or lifestyle and ideally would be a shorter term solution.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: Bigjohn on December 31, 2013, 07:56:03 pm
I can't find it right now but there was a NIH test done using pde5's with the Dox and the results were pretty good. I'll see if I can find the link. BTW the actual dose I use is 1 mg. pretty tame I think.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: bzarfas on January 04, 2014, 10:29:32 pm
I doubt that increasing it from 600 to 1000 would help.  The severity of your problem points to something else imho such as arteriosclerosis, venous leakage, nerve damage, etc.  Don't you agree?

Im hoping this gets better as you:
-eat a low fat diet


are you getting morning erections or any erection without help?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 05, 2014, 04:54:23 am

Im hoping this gets better as you:
-eat a low fat diet
are you getting morning erections or any erection without help?

You're quoting me.  Are you talking to me? 
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: bzarfas on January 05, 2014, 09:17:10 am

Im hoping this gets better as you:
-eat a low fat diet
are you getting morning erections or any erection without help?

You're quoting me.  Are you talking to me?
I didnt mean to quote you, I am concerned that what WoundedLion is going through because I thought ED issues were a canary about the state of the heart.  If he hadr morning wood that would indicate that he is just having mental issues(too much porn, etc) and not actually plumbing problems.

I think this is a diet problem. because I am going through a similar sitation, since my  high fat diet experiment,
 https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2802.msg24974#msg24974

I am back on a low fat diet, lots of veggies, POM juice, niacin, eggwhites, garlic and when I deter from this diet, I have issues, when Im solid on the low fat diet, Im better, just  not  great yet.  I need to drop the weight I've gained over the holidays and deal with my daily stress...
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: florian on January 05, 2014, 02:23:35 pm
Are dr.lins supplements good ones and is it a legitimate business? I read elsewhere its not accurate and supplements like what he sells aren't proven to work. I don't know just asking. .?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 05, 2014, 03:30:39 pm
Are dr.lins supplements good ones and is it a legitimate business? I read elsewhere its not accurate and supplements like what he sells aren't proven to work. I don't know just asking. .?

Can you list what supplements u r interested in and the ingredients?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 05, 2014, 04:22:23 pm
Activeguy has achieved some solid results and restored morning erections with some changes to diet, supplement (and Cialis), but I split it out here to highlight it:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2952.0
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: LowTMale on January 07, 2014, 08:59:46 pm
WoundedLion, do you get nocturnal erections? Sorry if it sounds callous but it would be interesting for the community to know what happens to that for someone with a good T but severe ED as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on January 08, 2014, 11:35:00 pm
Guys sorry for the late replies..to your questions . No  i dont get regular morning  errections ,when i get them they are urine driven rather than horny testosterone driven...erections are usually weak after going to toilet it gets weak again even when i just stand up from bed
Also this Dr Lin is he legit ? he seem to have some good theories but not sure if its research or scientifically backed ..in my opinion of the ED world anyone could provide any theory or causes ...but no one seem to have hard core real fixes or solutions...cant wait till the day when every ED sufferer  on earth  is cured ...
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on January 11, 2014, 09:53:56 pm
I dont watch porn, ive always not been a fan of porn  before  ED and even while this ED is gone worst i dont go any where near porn , it makes me feel down and sexually inferior and reminds me of my good days (even when viagra was working for me
My problem is definitely not psychogenic
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: davie12 on January 11, 2014, 11:49:23 pm
By any chance did you have high blood pressure in your 20s and 30s that wasn't treated?
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on January 12, 2014, 08:54:38 pm
Davie12,  between 20-30 i didnt know of any hypertension  i wasnt  that aware of hypertension and probabably didnt think i suffered any symptons ...any regular checks with my BP wasborderline or not too bad , but after 27 or so i became overweight and could possibly have had mild BP...but  i havent  been treated for BP(hypertention).
Over the lst 4 years i have been physically active and my blood pressure has been OK , but i will keep checking....so what are your suggestions please..
If i had hypertension at the time would exactly would that explain




Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2014, 08:57:22 pm
Davie12,  between 20-30 i didnt know of any hypertension  i wasnt  that aware of hypertension and probabably didnt think i suffered any symptons ...any regular checks with my BP wasborderline or not too bad , but after 27 or so i became overweight and could possibly have had mild BP...but  i havent  been treated for BP(hypertention).
Over the lst 4 years i have been physically active and my blood pressure has been OK , but i will keep checking....so what are your suggestions please..
If i had hypertension at the time would exactly would that explain

So you are 31?  If so, your story is very unusual due to the severity of your problem.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: WoundedLion on January 12, 2014, 09:19:26 pm
Peak i am 44 ...sorry i confused you lol , but this shrinking, wrinkly ,lifeless, hourglass  shape (sometimes)  of my penis suggests poor penile  bloodflow and  androgen deprivation ...I am worried that it may deteriorate my penile tissues further.
As i said i see much older men (no disrespect to anyone) probable in their 60's  at the gym but in a flaccid state their penis looks fuller and of more "substance" than mine .
For that  reason i think i would like to boost my T level via HCG this time not Clomid and  just to maintain or improve my penile tissue...whats your take on that...i will only do this once ive completed my Naltrexone protocol...meanwhile havent seen any improvement yet
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: davie12 on January 12, 2014, 09:44:19 pm
Davie12,  between 20-30 i didnt know of any hypertension  i wasnt  that aware of hypertension and probabably didnt think i suffered any symptons ...any regular checks with my BP wasborderline or not too bad , but after 27 or so i became overweight and could possibly have had mild BP...but  i havent  been treated for BP(hypertention).
Over the lst 4 years i have been physically active and my blood pressure has been OK , but i will keep checking....so what are your suggestions please..
If i had hypertension at the time would exactly would that explain

The reason I was asking is that you mentioned something about that previously. The problem with hypertension is that it is a silent and normally asymptomatic problem...similar to high cholesterol. In other words, you can live with it a long time and not even know you have it, unless it is detected through a physical exam. I've heard that untreated high blood pressure for many years can lead to a whole host of problems. Keep in mind blood pressure has to do with the elasticity of arteries/veins and ease of bloodflow, and the genital area is just like any other vascular part of the body in this regard. I assume that arousal would still be there if everything is OK hormonally, but the penis wouldn't respond properly (unlike hormonal problems where the arousal is also compromised). Incidentally, the best way to greatly improve blood pressure and elasticity other than diet, of course, is high intensity aerobic work (ie. sprinting), as it pushes the blood vessels to dilate significantly, thus make them more elastic over time.
Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2014, 10:09:06 pm
Peak i am 44 ...sorry i confused you lol , but this shrinking, wrinkly ,lifeless, hourglass  shape (sometimes)  of my penis suggests poor penile  bloodflow and  androgen deprivation ...I am worried that it may deteriorate my penile tissues further.
As i said i see much older men (no disrespect to anyone) probable in their 60's  at the gym but in a flaccid state their penis looks fuller and of more "substance" than mine .
For that  reason i think i would like to boost my T level via HCG this time not Clomid and  just to maintain or improve my penile tissue...whats your take on that...i will only do this once ive completed my Naltrexone protocol...meanwhile havent seen any improvement yet

Well, if I remember right, you are medium on testosterone.  I'm not sure how much raising your T further will help but you can try.  The problem is that you can get extra estradiol as you increase which negates any benefit.

Your issues are definitely the most enigmatic on this board...

Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: spiderman on January 13, 2014, 12:30:55 pm
Wounded Lion...Your problem is definitely not T related as there is nothing wrong with your levels and they are in fact probably at the high end of normal for your age.

You have a blood flow and possible nerve problem that is for sure as I had exactly the same problem after the small op I had which resulted in my penis becoming lifeless and cold. You should really be properly looked at to find out if there is any nerve/ tissue damage before taking any other action.

My personal recommendations are to carry on trying boost your blood flow down there as much as you can by increasing NO with daily citrulline, POM and the rest. As we have mentioned on here  before it is essential to get blood flow /nutrients to where it matters most if you have had problems with no erections it will be essential to try to keep on feeding your tissues and assisting any nerve regeneration by mega dosing with the correct nutrients .
I don't think the penile injections will be doing you any favours either.
 
I am slightly puzzled by your scenario because you have not had any trauma (unlike myself) that could have contributed to your situation in the first place. What I can say is that you can heal...as I have

Title: Re: Penile Atrophy ED ?
Post by: PeakT on January 13, 2014, 08:45:59 pm
I split out all the comments on alprostadil and Caverject here:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3044.0

Wanted to highlight them for other guys.