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General Category => Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health => Topic started by: qweschun on July 01, 2012, 08:29:53 am

Title: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: qweschun on July 01, 2012, 08:29:53 am
Peak T, To continue from my previous post "Surprised of Whey Effect" i want to add to the forum more of my experiences.

I have been takeing Neo40 Daily for nearly 3 months now. I first started off 1 a day as directed ( haveing no health issues apart from low T         13   nmol/L )
During the first month i became frustrated with slow results, hard to get an erection hard to hold an erection and tried 2 x Neo40 a day as well also tried once only popping a 20g Cialis. This was a little distarous, i still couldn`t get it up 6 hours after poppin the cialis and fxperienced at times slight head aches and ocassionaiiy light head symptoms. 18 hours after popping the cialis i had the best erection in a long time ( probably ever ) and the next morning i felt like i had a hangover from a lengthy alchol binge ( but i never consumed any )
but the side effect from the cialis 20ml was not my cup of tea and made a vowel never to go back there again.
I finally got to see my Erologist with test results.

Testostrone     12.9    nmol /L       (11.0-40.0 )
FSH                 8        u/L              ( <10         )
LH                   5        u/L              ( <9           )
Prolactin          264    mIU/L          (<500        )

I know you will agree this reading is low and i agree and believe you.
Besides haveing the blood tests i also had the "Penile Doppler" ultrasound and results weren`t bad.

My Erologist told me that my condition wasn`t too bad and advised me to go on Cialis 5g Daily.
When i asked about trying to raise my testostrone levels through supplements he more or less said that it would be a waste of time as the body discards any unwanted testostrone.
I also asked about circuit training and doing weights to boost my T levels, but gave me a similar answer.
 He also said that raiseing T levels won`t necessarly fix any ED problem.
After deciphering my meeting with him i think one of the main problems ( which i discussed with him ) is that my relationship with my partner has dropped to a dismal low sexually wise.
She has had breast cancer, removed one of her breast 7 years ago,lost all self esteem, sex virtually stopped way back then,has put on weight and the problem seems to compound.
Anyway i considered the cialis advice for a couple of weeks and finally decided to go ahead,( haveing a good wank is better than nothing )
I have contacted Neutrigenics the people who make Neo40 and they advised me that i could take cialis with Neo40 daily along with some other supplements I`ve been useing as well.
So i`ve been 9 days into takeing these supplements and all is good, have several erections a day.
And at 6 days into this my nitric oxide test strip produced my first good NO reading
What i would like to know, is there any serious side effect with long term use of Cialis 5g a day? And i don`t know what to do with my partner.
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: PeakT on July 01, 2012, 05:42:09 pm
Of course, very sorry to hear about the wife and situation.  You're doing a lot of the right things, so congrats for doing all of that.

I'm not surprised to hear the Neo40 may help, although when you are taking a variety of supplements, its hard to tell which is helping and which isn't unless you roll them in one by one.

Feel free to share your supplement routine by the way:  something might help someone out there.

Will 5 mg of Cialis help or hurt long term.  No one knows the answer to that of course and it is probably somewhat individual.  First of all, Cialis, especially when used regularly, has the potential for nice long term benefits which I outline here:

However, I am still very cautious about the PDE5 Inhibitors for reasons that I put in these links:

So you (and your doctor of course) will have to weight the pros and cons.  Let us know what you thinki...
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: feelgood on July 03, 2012, 08:16:26 pm
curious - when you say "now have several erections a day."

are they manually stimulated, or do you find yourself suddenly sitting there with an erection?

Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: qweschun on July 11, 2012, 01:59:24 am
Thanks for your interest STARRY.
Some of the erections are happening without hand stimulation and the rest are hand stimulated.
Yeah, a copule of times a night I`ve woken up with a hard on, mainly early morning 2am to 5am.

Peak T. I take daily:

6am approx        1 serve Undernatured whey 

7am  approx       1 x Neo40 Daily
                          1 x Banana with Blackmores Men`s High Performance(has Tribilus, i`ll post the ingredients below)

10am occasionally take 1 x Ginseng 2500mg along with Yoghurt, Red grapes, Oats

Midday to 1pm try to slip another serve of Whey in before Salad greens tomatoes and Tuna

Try to slip in adrink of 2 tablespoon`s of Cocoa and 1 tbl spoon of Maca

5pm 1 serve of Creatine 1/2 Hr before Gym workout

If i remember through the day to take Coq10, Artic Omega, Zinc, Organic Selenium, Idione.

Here`s the ingredients of the Blackmore`s product:

Vitamin B1 (Thiamine nitrate)   30mg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin)   15 mg
Nicotinamide   30 mg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic acid from calcium pantothenate 70 mg)   64.1 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine hydrochloride)   30 mg
Vitamin B12 (Cyanocobalamin)   40 g
Vitamin C (Ascorbic acid)   100 mg
Natural Vitamin E (d-alpha -Tocopheryl acid succinate 20.7 mg)   25 IU
Vitamin H (Biotin)   50 g
Folic acid   300 g
Inositol   25 mg
Calcium hydrogen phosphate anhydrous (Calcium 50 mg)   170 mg
Potassium iodide (Iodine 50 g)   65.4 g
Magnesium oxide heavy (Magnesium 35 mg)   63.1 mg
Manganese amino acid chelate (Manganese 2 mg)   20 mg
Zinc amino acid chelate (Zinc 15 mg)    75 mg
Selenomethionine (Selenium 26 g)   64.6 g
Turnera diffusa (Damiana) extract equiv. to dry leaf   1 g (1000 mg)
Tribulus terrestris extract equiv to dry fruit   6 g (6000 mg)
Ginkgo biloba extract equiv. to dry leaf   500 mg
Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) extract equiv. to dry fruit   4 g (4000 mg)

On to of the magnesium in the Blackmores product, I still take a dose of Magnesium mineral salts. I need it to relieve the pain i get in my arm muscles and joints, in fact the Whey along with magnesium and Creatine relieves the pain. It`s hard to say which would most benefical.
In all i`m performing very well, I don`t think even in my young days i could get erections , size and frequency as i do now.
My biggest problem is to encourage my partner to have sex, We haven`t had sex for Years now and has become a total frustration. Well that`s another subject,I wonder how many guys out there are in the same boat??Does Councilling help, if so from who??
Thanks for your site Peak T, it`s been agreat help.
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: PeakT on July 11, 2012, 06:57:48 am
Thx Qweschun.  Nice combo of exercise, diet, supplements and so on.  And, most of all, a great example of the body healing itself.  As I always say, the body can usually heal itself if we'll just get out of the way...

I hereby give you the Early Riser Award.  Just kidding - great work...
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: qweschun on August 01, 2012, 10:12:27 am
Peak T. 
To continue I`ll add that just recently I became so tired and exhausted, my muscle`s felt like they weren`t getting any fuel to recover from hard work and exercise, so decided to do some reading/research to get to the bottom of my problem. I was thinking along the line of a deficiency of glutamic acid,( do muscles need glucose to recover, is this one of the same, glutamic acid and glucose ) Anyway I came across this article below on a bodybuilding site..

More Creatine = More Energy
Ingesting more creatine through diet or through supplementation can potentially improve the ability of your body to produce energy by increasing phosphocreatine stores in the body. It is understood that an initial loading phase of 20g/day of creatine can lead to approximately a 20% increase in muscular concentrations of creatine with around 20% of that being in the form of phosphocreatine.1 However, there is a genetically defined upper limit to which our body and muscles can store creatine with the rest being excreted as waste. While everyones upper limits vary, the figure generally lies at around 1.5-1.7g/kg2 of bodyweight for body storage of creatine and 150-160mmol/kg dry mass1 for muscle storage of creatine. Therefore, after the initial loading phase, it isnt strictly necessary to continue supplementing at high doses. In fact, after 1-2 weeks of Creatine Monohydrate loading, a small serving of 2-5g/day of creatine is enough to sustain the high levels in the blood.

Does this run true with your experience. I`m about 5 days into takeing about 15 to 18 grams a day and maybe i do feel better.
What do you think.
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: PeakT on August 01, 2012, 01:57:56 pm
A couple of comments:

1.  Glutamic acid.  This is just an amino in your proteins.  Looks at your whey container and you'll see it listed there.  Undenatured whey has this in the non-free form so it doesn't hammer your poor hypothalamus.

2.  Protein and Carbs.  Make sure you get enough carbs.  I don't really have time to add up calories, carbs, etc. and do an analysis of what you are doing, but there are good online and great (cheap) nutritional software packages.  They are well worth the money and time imo.  Yes, if you are not getting enough carbs and are exercising, you can "hit the wall".  If you're doing a lot of strength/weight/interval/HIIT training, you really need to extra protein as well or it can make you feel "run down".

3.  Creatine.  I take creatine.  Creatine and protein are the two "muscle supplements" that I take.  I feel that creatine is pretty safe with many upsides.  And since I eat very little meat, I take this to help out.  I don't take much though.

By the way, your question about the partner would make another great thread imo.  This thread seems to be going more the way of nutrition and E.D., etc.
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: qweschun on August 01, 2012, 08:33:35 pm
Peak T.  I wouldn`t know where to start or what to say concerning my partner, I may think about that( what to say ) for a little while.
Title: Re: Neo 40 Daily, Cialis 5g Daily
Post by: PeakT on August 01, 2012, 09:07:22 pm
Peak T.  I wouldn`t know where to start or what to say concerning my partner, I may think about that( what to say ) for a little while.

Gotcha.  No pressure - just a thought....