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General Category => Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health => Topic started by: brazilianguy on April 07, 2014, 02:16:33 pm

Title: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 07, 2014, 02:16:33 pm
I saw many guys on propeciahelp and other forums getting well on progesterone cream. Like returning morning wood, night wood, spontaneous erections, libido, better orgasms etc.

What I noticed is that they just took 10mg (half woman dosage) per day for 2 weeks and then stop for 4 days. After each cycle the guys got better they say first you will feel worst and it seems that estrogen start to work better while on progesterone that's why people will feel worst like more anxiety, lower libido etc and then you start to get better.

If you guys want to search try to read on propeciahelp three guys: Elb, Light At The End and Finatruth

Elb I think had the best protocol. Using vitamins, progesterone, t-boosters and DIM.
Light At The End was the first guy that recovered but he used sometimes drugs like cocaine and one time he got back to ED etc, but I think it was from the drugs.
Finatruth you will read and be confused because he wrote that he felt better and was using alcohol too and he thinks alcohol may played a role on it.

What do you guys think about this approaching?
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: feelgood on April 07, 2014, 02:42:30 pm
i know nothing about this, but my wife has a bunch of progesterone cream left over from IVF, i just ran into it in the closet :)

i probably won't touch the stuff, but now of course i'll be tempted to look into it. Probably not recommended without telling my doctor, right? right? :)
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 07, 2014, 04:15:09 pm
I saw many guys on propeciahelp and other forums getting well on progesterone cream. Like returning morning wood, night wood, spontaneous erections, libido, better orgasms etc.

What I noticed is that they just took 10mg (half woman dosage) per day for 2 weeks and then stop for 4 days. After each cycle the guys got better they say first you will feel worst and it seems that estrogen start to work better while on progesterone that's why people will feel worst like more anxiety, lower libido etc and then you start to get better.

If you guys want to search try to read on propeciahelp three guys: Elb, Light At The End and Finatruth

Elb I think had the best protocol. Using vitamins, progesterone, t-boosters and DIM.
Light At The End was the first guy that recovered but he used sometimes drugs like cocaine and one time he got back to ED etc, but I think it was from the drugs.
Finatruth you will read and be confused because he wrote that he felt better and was using alcohol too and he thinks alcohol may played a role on it.

What do you guys think about this approaching?

Can you post some example BG?

Also, you guys will find the study in this thread very interesting:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3286.msg30174#msg30174

Sam also experimented with pregnenalone to raise it but didn't get what he wanted:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3030.msg26663#msg26663

Phatphish said he felt better using it:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2270.msg21510#msg21510

Finally, look at some of the things progesterone changes.  Pretty potent stuff with some interesting qualities:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Progesterone_Men
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Bigjohn on April 07, 2014, 09:13:56 pm
Frankly I asked my compounding pharmacy to formulate some for me and have been using it for a month now. I'm really not sure if I can tell a difference or not. Please read this though. I've been trying to get in touch with this doctor.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0167418.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2007/0167418.html)
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: davie12 on April 07, 2014, 09:31:17 pm
Why don't you read this?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/natural-progesterone2

This is something to be very careful with.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 07, 2014, 09:57:09 pm
Why don't you read this?
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/01/02/natural-progesterone2

This is something to be very careful with.

Wow!  Thx Davie...
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Bigjohn on April 07, 2014, 10:53:22 pm
I know that Dr Lee was Dr. Mercola's mentor especially when it came to the progesterone cream. My opinion and I've read alot on this subject nobody really understands how progesterone effects me. There really hasn't been a lot of studies.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 08, 2014, 04:30:02 am
I know that Dr Lee was Dr. Mercola's mentor especially when it came to the progesterone cream. My opinion and I've read alot on this subject nobody really understands how progesterone effects me. There really hasn't been a lot of studies.

What made me nervous was that they just had a study that showed (in women) that estradiol reduced cancer risk but estradiol plus progesterone increased it. 
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Wango on April 09, 2014, 08:47:39 pm
Ok!
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 09, 2014, 10:05:33 pm
Ok!

My point was that Dr. Lee was always big on both bioidentical estrogen and progesterone for women.  So it's quite confusing...
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 11, 2014, 02:36:08 pm
People when start using it will feel terrible sometimes even worst because it will make estrogen do what it needs to do.
When you guys buy it you need to be sure that it doesn't contain saw palmetto, when compound pharma do it for men they put some saw palmetto too also if you search progesterone cream for men most of it contain saw palmetto. What the guys from propeciahelp are doing is that they just use it for 2 weeks and then stop for 4 days and just 10mg in the night. I think 5 guys there got better.

Gazzaa, finatruth, beekay, light at the end, elb.

Gazzaa tried everything before. Dostinex, masteron, proviron, testosterone, hcg, hgh, clomid, tamoxifen, arimidex and he said that the only thing that gave him morning wood back, spontaneous erections again, more libido, and not using viagra and others anymore was his protocol with progesterone cream.

Elb got cured by using it but he had his own protocol.

Just read this link

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7026
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Sam on April 11, 2014, 04:25:13 pm
The simple fact IMHO is many people are dealing with excess hormone clearance issues and adding in Pregnenolone or Progesterone just fills up the top of the bucket again.  Those two hormones can be fiddled with to drive different results with end-point hormones but this is a  patch and not a fix for underlying health problems.

Now that is not necessarily a bad thing especially if the patch helps get you back in the game.   Eventually however we need docs who look at the metabolic processes and where things are broken.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 13, 2014, 03:33:29 pm
The simple fact IMHO is many people are dealing with excess hormone clearance issues and adding in Pregnenolone or Progesterone just fills up the top of the bucket again.  Those two hormones can be fiddled with to drive different results with end-point hormones but this is a  patch and not a fix for underlying health problems.


Sam, great point, but I'm not so sure we know how to fix the liver/clearance issues yet.  You're feeling good now, but don't you agree that most of it is from working on the endpoints rather than fixing the liver itself? 

I guess what I mean is that you've adjusted your SHBG 10 or 20% but you haven't been able to double it which is probably what most low SHBG guys need to do.

And don't take that wrong - I really admire what you've done to improve your health - but I think low SHBG is still poorly understood and without a solid treatment.  Anyway, this is the subject of another thread I guess, so start one up if you feel so inclined or add to your "Low SHBG Success" thread if you want...
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 16, 2014, 02:25:06 pm
But Sam the people got cured by using it like the protocol that people were using. It is not like viagra that you need to take to have sex. Is a treatment that leads to a cure. Actually in the beggining people will feel worse and then they get better.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 16, 2014, 03:03:13 pm
But Sam the people got cured by using it like the protocol that people were using. It is not like viagra that you need to take to have sex. Is a treatment that leads to a cure. Actually in the beggining people will feel worse and then they get better.

Well, great point BG:  testosterone is actually healing and restorative in many ways:   it can reverse hardenining of the arteries, venous leakage, depression, etc.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Wango on April 16, 2014, 11:59:16 pm
In fact for all who have hormone deficiency was the only solution and that hormone replacement, there is no other solution.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: davie12 on April 17, 2014, 12:25:47 am
I believe what Sam says is accurate. Essentially, the use of prohormones (upstream hormones such as Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA) can provide temporary relief but doesn't necessarily repair the endocrine permanently. I know you are students of the famous CDnuts protocol...using these as tools with the rest of the diet/exercise program is ideal, as you will be altering your metabolic rate which can possibly evoke a permanent change.
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 17, 2014, 01:23:08 am
I believe what Sam says is accurate. Essentially, the use of prohormones (upstream hormones such as Pregnenolone, Progesterone, DHEA) can provide temporary relief but doesn't necessarily repair the endocrine permanently. I know you are students of the famous CDnuts protocol...using these as tools with the rest of the diet/exercise program is ideal, as you will be altering your metabolic rate which can possibly evoke a permanent change.

Davie:  What is the "famous CDNuts" protocol in a nutshell?  Sorry - can't remember...
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 18, 2014, 06:32:11 pm
Sorry Dave but I think you didn't understand me.
I said that these guys got cured (no temporary but definitive healing) by using Light At The Ends protocol or similar protocols.
Guys who got cured from sexual problems by this protocol on propeciahelp:
Elb, Beekay, Finatruth, Gazzaa, Light At The End, others are getting better with the roller coaster (upward) feeling some are doing it wrong by taking it with pramipexole, dostinex high dosages, or using too much progesterone cream like 20mg per day or too little like 2.5mg twice per day.

Gazzaa was talking to me and he said he tried literally everything. T injections, arimidex, dostinex, clomid, tamoxifen, proviron, masteron, androgel, pregnenolone and just now he said he is able to have sex without viagra and now he is waking up everyday with morning wood he said before he even did a test that got negative erection while sleeping/waking up.

First they got worse like feeling too much estrogen but now some got cured and some are improving, some are doing it wrong.

Here's the link.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7026&start=580
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 18, 2014, 06:36:16 pm
I forgot to tell that the guys had perfect hormone tests.
Finatruth said that doesn't matter how much you have on your progesterone test he did progesterone test and he wasn't low and he took it and got better.

He also said that you can have high or low progresterone/estradiol but it needs to be opposed to something (he said about estradiol)
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: PeakT on April 18, 2014, 06:49:39 pm
Sorry Dave but I think you didn't understand me.
I said that these guys got cured (no temporary but definitive healing) by using Light At The Ends protocol or similar protocols.
Guys who got cured from sexual problems by this protocol on propeciahelp:
Elb, Beekay, Finatruth, Gazzaa, Light At The End, others are getting better with the roller coaster (upward) feeling some are doing it wrong by taking it with pramipexole, dostinex high dosages, or using too much progesterone cream like 20mg per day or too little like 2.5mg twice per day.

Gazzaa was talking to me and he said he tried literally everything. T injections, arimidex, dostinex, clomid, tamoxifen, proviron, masteron, androgel, pregnenolone and just now he said he is able to have sex without viagra and now he is waking up everyday with morning wood he said before he even did a test that got negative erection while sleeping/waking up.

First they got worse like feeling too much estrogen but now some got cured and some are improving, some are doing it wrong.

Here's the link.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7026&start=580

Is this the protocol you are talking about?

10 mg of progesterone,
2.5 mg of selegiline (after 5 mg daily for three days)
Maca
Tongkat Ali

I scanned through that thread and didn't see a lot of "how to" type stuff...
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: Wango on April 19, 2014, 04:24:58 am
Let's follow the cases of healing. But they are all users of propecia, would not be a case of elimination of this substance in the body?
Title: Re: Progesterone Cream and Recoveries
Post by: brazilianguy on April 22, 2014, 12:31:31 am
No it won't be the elimination of the drug in the body. Finasteride should not be in the body more than a half month.
What could happened in them is that the drugs did a reaction in the body and the new homeostasis in their bodies is like we're now. Not good but keeping us alive.

The body change homeostasis when you get cured and then your new normal will be like a normal person again. Not normal with ED, low libido etc.