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Title: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 04, 2014, 06:12:32 am
Hi everyone.. I was currently diagnosed with LOW T in December of 2013.. I went and seen uro and told him I had used propecia..had a side effect of anorgasmia and stopped immediately...he checked testosterone and it was 383 and lh was 2.5 and fsh was 2.5.. He put me on testosterone cream that day.. In the last 4 months I have used 20 mg Cialis and Viagra 100 mg a couple of times... IN the last 2 months I have used 5mg daily Cialis which works great with the test cream daily!!! The side effect of anorgasmia I had on propecia has completely gone away.. I went to uro march 31 and test was 805.. So as it sits right now this protocol is working.. I have had 2 different doctors tell me that the low dose Cialis will never stop working unless there is something else wrong.. I am just wondering how many guys on this forum have been taking 5mg daily Cialis and for how many years have they been working for example 5 to 10 years or more.. I was on propecia help forum and they banned me because i was telling them that TRT was helping along with daily Cialis and they told me i didn't have Post Finasteride Syndrome and kicked me off the forum because i was able to have sex daily. No big deal though.. My question is how many years have guys on here that are on TRT been taking 5mg daily Cialis and is it still working for you?? I have 1 urologist and 1 internal medicine doctor both tell me as long as ure healthy that they don't lose effectiveness... I am 35.. Any help or info would be greatly appreciated.. I have had sex for the last 30 days successfully doing this and sensation and orgasm are great!!
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 04, 2014, 07:57:11 am
I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Wango on May 04, 2014, 03:24:26 pm
Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 04, 2014, 03:55:12 pm
Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.

Not sure what this means Wango?  Can you try again?
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 04, 2014, 08:55:12 pm
I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.
Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 04, 2014, 08:55:50 pm
Glad you had positive results, but healing, and not even use prescisar absolutely nothing, good luck.
Cant really make out what u are saying?? What do u mean??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 04, 2014, 10:24:27 pm
Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??

I have not noticed any dependence or resistance on low dose Cialis.  For those who don't know what we are talking about:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance

In fact, that has led me to the theory that the "megadosing" or "horse dosing" of Cialis is what is causing most of the above. 

Now I do have to say that imo you want to go as low as you can.  I was very pleased recently because I found that I had only been taking 2 mg/day on average and not 2.5 as I originally thought.  I basically divided the # of 20 mg tabs over the # of days to get that. 

Anyway, the thing to remember is that Cialis does effect some of the other PDE enzyme system, i.e. there is crossover, and no one knows the long term effects of this.  Will this lead to degraded vision in your 70's/80's?  Could this accelerate atrophic gastritis for some guys?  Some w/ hearing.  We just don't know and so the lower you can go, the better.

Now Cialis does help a bit with blood pressure, gets you back in the sack and can help with enlarged prostate.  So it has some real positive health advantages too.  But all fo the above can be achieved naturally imo as well...
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 05, 2014, 04:40:48 pm
Its really good to know that what a urologist told me and an internal medicine doctor told me are true.. They both told me that as long as test is up and there weren't any other medical conditions coming into play that 5mg daily Cialis would never lose potency.. I have been on it for 2 months and I love it.. Of course im on TRT as well but im still in the game after a bout with propecia.. Doc told me that eventually I will not need 5mg daily anymore because I would be healed...Which is good?? What do u think about this??

I have not noticed any dependence or resistance on low dose Cialis.  For those who don't know what we are talking about:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance

In fact, that has led me to the theory that the "megadosing" or "horse dosing" of Cialis is what is causing most of the above. 

Now I do have to say that imo you want to go as low as you can.  I was very pleased recently because I found that I had only been taking 2 mg/day on average and not 2.5 as I originally thought.  I basically divided the # of 20 mg tabs over the # of days to get that. 

Anyway, the thing to remember is that Cialis does effect some of the other PDE enzyme system, i.e. there is crossover, and no one knows the long term effects of this.  Will this lead to degraded vision in your 70's/80's?  Could this accelerate atrophic gastritis for some guys?  Some w/ hearing.  We just don't know and so the lower you can go, the better.

Now Cialis does help a bit with blood pressure, gets you back in the sack and can help with enlarged prostate.  So it has some real positive health advantages too.  But all fo the above can be achieved naturally imo as well...
Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up?? Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem?? And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT?? And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 05, 2014, 06:54:06 pm
Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up??
Yes, but remember that "healthy" means very minimal arteriosclerosis.

Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem??
There have been other guys on the board that have been long term users.  I don't remember who it is though.  Imo, if you keep the arteries in good shape, you should be good long term.  Of course, there is a lot to health.  You have to think

And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT??
Injections.

And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??
Should be.  I think it's still good to get it measure since low and high values have been associated with poor mortality results:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male_01.htm
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 05, 2014, 07:23:01 pm
Well its good that it wont ever quit working as long as an individual is healthy and there T is up??
Yes, but remember that "healthy" means very minimal arteriosclerosis.

Do u know anyone other than ureself that has used this for 5 years or more and still has no problem??
There have been other guys on the board that have been long term users.  I don't remember who it is though.  Imo, if you keep the arteries in good shape, you should be good long term.  Of course, there is a lot to health.  You have to think

And are u on injections or cream for ure TRT??
Injections.

And obviousely my estrogen is in good shape or I wouldn't be having these kinda results right??
Should be.  I think it's still good to get it measure since low and high values have been associated with poor mortality results:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2010/may2010_Why-Estrogen-Balance-is-Critical-to-Aging-Men_01.htm

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male_01.htm
Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 05, 2014, 07:33:41 pm
Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??

I'm doing quite well thank?   ;D

No, my erectile dysfunction is effectively gone.  I still can lose an erection more quickly than my youth and it's because the cypionate was able to reverse about 90% of the venous leakage but not all of it.  But I'm good to go in the bedroom.

Now, as far as giving up Cialis, I have tried multiple times.  What happens is that I can live without it for a week or two, but then I begin to lose morning erections, etc.  However, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I have it done to just 2 mg/day. 
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 05, 2014, 07:43:52 pm
Well that's great to here.. So u are on injections and u still have mild ed or do u just eat the daily Cialis because of the other good effects it has on u??

I'm doing quite well thank?   ;D

No, my erectile dysfunction is effectively gone.  I still can lose an erection more quickly than my youth and it's because the cypionate was able to reverse about 90% of the venous leakage but not all of it.  But I'm good to go in the bedroom.

Now, as far as giving up Cialis, I have tried multiple times.  What happens is that I can live without it for a week or two, but then I begin to lose morning erections, etc.  However, I'm pretty proud of the fact that I have it done to just 2 mg/day.
I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 05, 2014, 09:31:24 pm
I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???

Well, I don't know what to tell you about the long term safety of Cialis if that is what you are asking.  No one knows the answer to that.  My approach is get my dose as low as possible.  I think I could get off of it actually if I took garlic, but my wife is just too sensitive to the smell, so that would kind of defeat the purpose. :)

Are you "bad off"?  If I said 'yes,' that would the "pot calling the kettle black," now wouldn't it?   ;D

No, I'll tell you what you already know:  a 35 year old should not need Cialis.  So you want to keep working on this.  If it was me, I'd get a Heart Scan or an IMT (through Lifeline) and make sure that all was well on the arteriosclerosis side.  At 35 you shouldn't have a ton of plaque, but it's certainly possible you have enough to cause some issues down under...
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 05, 2014, 11:34:33 pm
I understand and that is great that u are good again.. Based on what im telling u on the protocol I am on and being that it is helping me.. If u were me would u keep eating the 5mg daily ?? And based on what im telling u does it really seem to u like that I am that bad off???

Well, I don't know what to tell you about the long term safety of Cialis if that is what you are asking.  No one knows the answer to that.  My approach is get my dose as low as possible.  I think I could get off of it actually if I took garlic, but my wife is just too sensitive to the smell, so that would kind of defeat the purpose. :)

Are you "bad off"?  If I said 'yes,' that would the "pot calling the kettle black," now wouldn't it?   ;D

No, I'll tell you what you already know:  a 35 year old should not need Cialis.  So you want to keep working on this.  If it was me, I'd get a Heart Scan or an IMT (through Lifeline) and make sure that all was well on the arteriosclerosis side.  At 35 you shouldn't have a ton of plaque, but it's certainly possible you have enough to cause some issues down under...
I got tested on all kinds of stuff last week.. I will post results from an internal medicine doctor as soon as they call me.. He is looking at everything..Arteriosclerosis, Cholestrol, endocrine hormones.. the works..I basically told him the i have low libido on TRT and i eat 5mg daily cialis and if i eat the daily cialis there is no ed whatsoever.. so rqan a full meal deal and he is trting to figure it out how he can help me..the ed is so mild that if i am not on Cialis and i get aroused it takes about 20 to 25 seconds to go down without stimulation..When i am on 5mg daily it takes anywherer between 40 to 60 seconds to go down without stimulation?? Does this sound mild to u?? Now take in mind there is no problem with arousal either way..i do self tests like watch porn and get myself aroused and once it gets hard i will stand up and not touch it and i time it to see how long it takes to lose erection.. Before i started taking daily cialis 2 months ago when i did this it would go down in a bout 20 to 25 seconds now when im on cialis it takes anywhere from 40 to 60 seconds to lose erection..Would u call this mild ED???
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 04:44:12 am
I got tested on all kinds of stuff last week.. I will post results from an internal medicine doctor as soon as they call me.. He is looking at everything..Arteriosclerosis, Cholestrol, endocrine hormones.. the works..I basically told him the i have low libido on TRT and i eat 5mg daily cialis and if i eat the daily cialis there is no ed whatsoever.. so rqan a full meal deal and he is trting to figure it out how he can help me..the ed is so mild that if i am not on Cialis and i get aroused it takes about 20 to 25 seconds to go down without stimulation..When i am on 5mg daily it takes anywherer between 40 to 60 seconds to go down without stimulation?? Does this sound mild to u?? Now take in mind there is no problem with arousal either way..i do self tests like watch porn and get myself aroused and once it gets hard i will stand up and not touch it and i time it to see how long it takes to lose erection.. Before i started taking daily cialis 2 months ago when i did this it would go down in a bout 20 to 25 seconds now when im on cialis it takes anywhere from 40 to 60 seconds to lose erection..Would u call this mild ED???

Never seen any "time to flaccidity" numbers.  There is something called Hardness Factor that is measured with a device called a Rigiscan:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.0
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 04:59:38 am
I got tested on all kinds of stuff last week.. I will post results from an internal medicine doctor as soon as they call me.. He is looking at everything..Arteriosclerosis, Cholestrol, endocrine hormones.. the works..I basically told him the i have low libido on TRT and i eat 5mg daily cialis and if i eat the daily cialis there is no ed whatsoever.. so rqan a full meal deal and he is trting to figure it out how he can help me..the ed is so mild that if i am not on Cialis and i get aroused it takes about 20 to 25 seconds to go down without stimulation..When i am on 5mg daily it takes anywherer between 40 to 60 seconds to go down without stimulation?? Does this sound mild to u?? Now take in mind there is no problem with arousal either way..i do self tests like watch porn and get myself aroused and once it gets hard i will stand up and not touch it and i time it to see how long it takes to lose erection.. Before i started taking daily cialis 2 months ago when i did this it would go down in a bout 20 to 25 seconds now when im on cialis it takes anywhere from 40 to 60 seconds to lose erection..Would u call this mild ED???

Never seen any "time to flaccidity" numbers.  There is something called Hardness Factor that is measured with a device called a Rigiscan:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.0
Ok so would u call this erectile dysfunction?? And if so would u call it mild???
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 05:02:50 am
Ok so would u call this erectile dysfunction?? And if so would u call it mild???

Not me.  If you can have sex with a partner without doing any unnatural acts - unless you want to of course - then I don't call it E.D.  Most of the guys on the board  with E.D. are struggling to even get an erection or maintain it long enough to get a condom on or to recover their long missing morning erections.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 05:46:56 am
Ok so would u call this erectile dysfunction?? And if so would u call it mild???

Not me.  If you can have sex with a partner without doing any unnatural acts - unless you want to of course - then I don't call it E.D.  Most of the guys on the board  with E.D. are struggling to even get an erection or maintain it long enough to get a condom on or to recover their long missing morning erections.
What do u mean by unnatural acts?? So going flaccid without stimulation in between 20 -30 seconds just on testosterone cream and without Cialis in my system is normal??? I have had constant morning, and nocturnal erections for 4 solid months since I have started TRT..
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 07:07:41 am
What do u mean by unnatural acts?? So going flaccid without stimulation in between 20 -30 seconds just on testosterone cream and without Cialis in my system is normal??? I have had constant morning, and nocturnal erections for 4 solid months since I have started TRT..

Relax.  Please.  You're just repeating the same questions over and over.  Again, you're better than 97% of the guys on the board and a couple of us would sell a nut or two to have your problems.  Again, please switch subjects.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 01:16:32 pm
What do u mean by unnatural acts?? So going flaccid without stimulation in between 20 -30 seconds just on testosterone cream and without Cialis in my system is normal??? I have had constant morning, and nocturnal erections for 4 solid months since I have started TRT..

Relax.  Please.  You're just repeating the same questions over and over.  Again, you're better than 97% of the guys on the board and a couple of us would sell a nut or two to have your problems.  Again, please switch subjects.
Thank u for ure help Peak... I guess I am somewhat normal and this is really not even erectile dysfunction that is what I am getting by what u are saying and I really appreciate ure help.. So basically the 20 to 30 second thing is normal for a 35 year old male???
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 02:05:14 pm
Thank u for ure help Peak... I guess I am somewhat normal and this is really not even erectile dysfunction that is what I am getting by what u are saying and I really appreciate ure help.. So basically the 20 to 30 second thing is normal for a 35 year old male???

I told you:  I'm not sure.  But you can get an erection and maintain it for awhile and have sex, right?  So you're doing okay and there's no reason to panic.

Now just work on measuring your hormones and get your arteries in top shape and boost your NO.

And, as I've mentioned, try to figure out a way to back off of your Cialis dose.

I've asked nicely a few times for you to quit repeating the above.  Please ask something about health, hormones, arteries - anything! - but stop asking this same question over and over.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 02:09:37 pm
Thank u for ure help Peak... I guess I am somewhat normal and this is really not even erectile dysfunction that is what I am getting by what u are saying and I really appreciate ure help.. So basically the 20 to 30 second thing is normal for a 35 year old male???

I told you:  I'm not sure.  But you can get an erection and maintain it for awhile and have sex, right?  So you're doing okay and there's no reason to panic.

Now just work on measuring your hormones and get your arteries in top shape and boost your NO.

And, as I've mentioned, try to figure out a way to back off of your Cialis dose.

I've asked nicely a few times for you to quit repeating the above.  Please ask something about health, hormones, arteries - anything! - but stop asking this same question over and over.
Will do brother u just made me realize that I am not that bad off and I really do appreciate u.. I will work on getting other hormones in line!!!
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 02:49:06 pm
Will do brother u just made me realize that I am not that bad off and I really do appreciate u.. I will work on getting other hormones in line!!!

Great!  And, again, it's not just hormones:  it's also arteries.  The slow deterioration in hardness factor, time to erection, etc. occurs primarily due to loss of what is called endothelial function.  Endothelial function is affected primarily by arteriosclerosis, but it can be improved through diet, exercise, stress reduction, weight maintenance, avoidance of drugs/smoking, etc - you know the story... 

Neurotransmitters and personal psychology are also very big as well.  Everything that negatively impacts the heart negatively impacts the brain and a few more things as well.

So I recommend building up knowledge about all this stuff steadily over time and learning how to tune up the brain and body the same way a mechanic would a car.  You can't count on the doctors to keep you from chronic disease.  Their job is to keep alive once you have you have chronic disease.  That leaves you (unless you can afford an anti-aging doc or good naturopath).
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 03:19:14 pm
Will do brother u just made me realize that I am not that bad off and I really do appreciate u.. I will work on getting other hormones in line!!!

Great!  And, again, it's not just hormones:  it's also arteries.  The slow deterioration in hardness factor, time to erection, etc. occurs primarily due to loss of what is called endothelial function.  Endothelial function is affected primarily by arteriosclerosis, but it can be improved through diet, exercise, stress reduction, weight maintenance, avoidance of drugs/smoking, etc - you know the story... 

Neurotransmitters and personal psychology are also very big as well.  Everything that negatively impacts the heart negatively impacts the brain and a few more things as well.

So I recommend building up knowledge about all this stuff steadily over time and learning how to tune up the brain and body the same way a mechanic would a car.  You can't count on the doctors to keep you from chronic disease.  Their job is to keep alive once you have you have chronic disease.  That leaves you (unless you can afford an anti-aging doc or good naturopath).
Once again thank u brother.. I will get on this health regimen and improve.. U have shed alot of light on me.. I have thought for a couple of months now that I was bad off.. But thanks to u and this site and others responses I realize that I am actually not bad off at all.. I will start another thread when I get all my bloodwork back that I got drawn last week.. And let people analyze it and tell me what they think.. Once again I think this site is GREAT and I cant think u enough..... ;D
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 06, 2014, 05:52:21 pm
Once again thank u brother.. I will get on this health regimen and improve.. U have shed alot of light on me.. I have thought for a couple of months now that I was bad off.. But thanks to u and this site and others responses I realize that I am actually not bad off at all.. I will start another thread when I get all my bloodwork back that I got drawn last week.. And let people analyze it and tell me what they think.. Once again I think this site is GREAT and I cant think u enough..... ;D

No need to thank me.  That's why I started the forum/site.  And I'm glad something helped.

And you young guys can usually recover from any issues much more quickly.  But it doesn't matter what you age, you have to keep working on your health...
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 06, 2014, 07:49:50 pm
Once again thank u brother.. I will get on this health regimen and improve.. U have shed alot of light on me.. I have thought for a couple of months now that I was bad off.. But thanks to u and this site and others responses I realize that I am actually not bad off at all.. I will start another thread when I get all my bloodwork back that I got drawn last week.. And let people analyze it and tell me what they think.. Once again I think this site is GREAT and I cant think u enough..... ;D

No need to thank me.  That's why I started the forum/site.  And I'm glad something helped.

And you young guys can usually recover from any issues much more quickly.  But it doesn't matter what you age, you have to keep working on your health...
Once again thank u sir.. And this sited is EPIC!!!!
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 10, 2014, 07:08:20 pm
I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.
I just started splitting the 5mg so I am basically getting 2.5 mg a day.. My question is what is the best way to split a 5mg in a pill splitter?? Lay it sideways and cut down the middle or lay it longways?? or does it really matter??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Wango on May 11, 2014, 04:39:49 am
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Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2014, 05:56:46 am
I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.
I just started splitting the 5mg so I am basically getting 2.5 mg a day.. My question is what is the best way to split a 5mg in a pill splitter?? Lay it sideways and cut down the middle or lay it longways?? or does it really matter??

I don't think you'll be able to split it long ways.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 11, 2014, 06:06:39 am
I've been using Cialis for years now - I guess 5+ - and seem to be doing okay.  However, I have gone down as low as I can go.  I just figured out my total and it was 2 mg/day.
I just started splitting the 5mg so I am basically getting 2.5 mg a day.. My question is what is the best way to split a 5mg in a pill splitter?? Lay it sideways and cut down the middle or lay it longways?? or does it really matter??

I don't think you'll be able to split it long ways.
So lay it flat and split it right in the middle where it says C5?? Basically break theoval in the middle??? Is that how u do it??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2014, 06:09:57 am
So lay it flat and split it right in the middle where it says C5?? Basically break theoval in the middle??? Is that how u do it??

Well, I hate to admit how I do it.  Basically, I take a 20 mg tab and I know it has to last me a week+.  So I bite off little chunks.  It's extremely unscientific, but it works. 

And, no, I do not recommend anyone do that.  It's probably unsanitary as heck.  But it's an insurance thing:  I basically can't get the 2.5 mg size.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 11, 2014, 06:14:11 am
So lay it flat and split it right in the middle where it says C5?? Basically break theoval in the middle??? Is that how u do it??

Well, I hate to admit how I do it.  Basically, I take a 20 mg tab and I know it has to last me a week+.  So I bite off little chunks.  It's extremely unscientific, but it works. 

And, no, I do not recommend anyone do that.  It's probably unsanitary as heck.  But it's an insurance thing:  I basically can't get the 2.5 mg size.
So u basically make 10 pieces out of a 20mg... That's whatsup.. so I figure if I split it down the C5 on the pill and eat it then I wont be getting no less than 2 mg daily.. no more than 2.5.. if it works for u it should work for me right??
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 11, 2014, 07:46:37 am
So lay it flat and split it right in the middle where it says C5?? Basically break theoval in the middle??? Is that how u do it??

Well, I hate to admit how I do it.  Basically, I take a 20 mg tab and I know it has to last me a week+.  So I bite off little chunks.  It's extremely unscientific, but it works. 

And, no, I do not recommend anyone do that.  It's probably unsanitary as heck.  But it's an insurance thing:  I basically can't get the 2.5 mg size.
So u basically make 10 pieces out of a 20mg... That's whatsup.. so I figure if I split it down the C5 on the pill and eat it then I wont be getting no less than 2 mg daily.. no more than 2.5.. if it works for u it should work for me right??

Well, a pill splitter is not exact cuzz the pill is usually tilted a bit, etc.  But that's about as good as you're gonna do.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: CPPS on May 11, 2014, 01:16:00 pm
I split mine with the teeth too, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

getting these doses as low as possible seems crucial to any goal of getting off of them. There's no evidence that they should ever stop working but meanwhile many guys have reported that they did just that. Could it be they always "work" the same and some guys underlying problem just gets worse? Maybe. All the more reason to try and identify the underlying problem. Meanwhile they say life goes on all around you, so you enjoy the results and keep the doses low. The dose makes the poison.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 11, 2014, 07:15:48 pm
I split mine with the teeth too, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

getting these doses as low as possible seems crucial to any goal of getting off of them. There's no evidence that they should ever stop working but meanwhile many guys have reported that they did just that. Could it be they always "work" the same and some guys underlying problem just gets worse? Maybe. All the more reason to try and identify the underlying problem. Meanwhile they say life goes on all around you, so you enjoy the results and keep the doses low. The dose makes the poison.
so u eat 2.5 daily by splitting them with ure teeth.. How many years have u been eating them like this??? And what do u mean by poison
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: CPPS on May 11, 2014, 08:12:50 pm
I do not take 2.5 cialis daily although I'm going to start doing exactly that this month in hopes of getting  off PDE5s entirely in time

For the last 5 years or more I have used 25-50mg viagra or 5-10mg Levitra as needed

Both have now become hit or miss but I refuse to up the dose beyond half the recommended as I am under 40.

Cialis works at 4-7mg or even less if I use it consecutive days.

I have chronic prostatitis and sometimes have normal erectile function for days at a time, and at other times don't have erections at all without drugs. It depends on the prostatitis, although I do believe there are possibly other hormonal factors at play which I am pursuing a resolution to. My biggest problems are possible dependence and resistance, which likely occurred because for several years I just took medium to large doses before sex and didn't think much about other variables that would help erectile function, nocturnal erections, etc.

The dose makes the poison is an expression.... It means don't take too much (or too often)

You don't want to be under 40 and legitimately questioning if you can get hard without drugs, or wondering what will happen if they stop working- that's the position  I'm in and it's no fun even though I have regular sex.

Doctors have also told me that these drugs should theoretically work forever- but if they are wrong it's my problem not theirs. Theres at least one person on here that used PDE5s regularly from a young age and is now in a situation where they don't work and nothing else does. Plenty of reasons to be careful.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 11, 2014, 09:56:27 pm
I do not take 2.5 cialis daily although I'm going to start doing exactly that this month in hopes of getting  off PDE5s entirely in time

For the last 5 years or more I have used 25-50mg viagra or 5-10mg Levitra as needed

Both have now become hit or miss but I refuse to up the dose beyond half the recommended as I am under 40.

Cialis works at 4-7mg or even less if I use it consecutive days.

I have chronic prostatitis and sometimes have normal erectile function for days at a time, and at other times don't have erections at all without drugs. It depends on the prostatitis, although I do believe there are possibly other hormonal factors at play which I am pursuing a resolution to. My biggest problems are possible dependence and resistance, which likely occurred because for several years I just took medium to large doses before sex and didn't think much about other variables that would help erectile function, nocturnal erections, etc.

The dose makes the poison is an expression.... It means don't take too much (or too often)

You don't want to be under 40 and legitimately questioning if you can get hard without drugs, or wondering what will happen if they stop working- that's the position  I'm in and it's no fun even though I have regular sex.

Doctors have also told me that these drugs should theoretically work forever- but if they are wrong it's my problem not theirs. Theres at least one person on here that used PDE5s regularly from a young age and is now in a situation where they don't work and nothing else does. Plenty of reasons to be careful.
Well I have had doctors tell me also that they never quit working... And the good thing is that im on TRT so I will be monitored closely.. I somewhere in my 50s they ever do quit working then the doc will be able to figure out why which is good.. My deal is to take 2.5 daily and as I get older if I have to go up just go up slowly...
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: PeakT on May 12, 2014, 12:16:38 am
Well I have had doctors tell me also that they never quit working...

Remember:  docs LOVE pharmaceuticals.  Just love the stuff.  Big pharma funds their medical schools, their medical libraries, their medical journals and sometimes their business travel and other perks. 

Stop and think about this:  Cialis launched in 2005!   No one knows the long term effects of Cialis and long term efficacy - they can't.  So it's a crapshoot.
Title: Re: Propecia Cure: TRT AND 5MG Daily Cialis
Post by: Low T on May 12, 2014, 03:29:42 am
Well I have had doctors tell me also that they never quit working...

Remember:  docs LOVE pharmaceuticals.  Just love the stuff.  Big pharma funds their medical schools, their medical libraries, their medical journals and sometimes their business travel and other perks. 

Stop and think about this:  Cialis launched in 2005!   No one knows the long term effects of Cialis and long term efficacy - they can't.  So it's a crapshoot.
Right I agree but the good thing is like u said its better to become accustomed to starting as low as possible and let ure body get used to that... And as years go by if u have to move up slowly move up.. I guarantee that if I ever were to have to take a 100 mg Viagra or a 20 mg Cialis.. it would get the job done... when im in my 50,s if I have to eat big doses I will... That's a long time from now though..