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Title: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2015, 03:23:58 am
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Kierkegaard on January 12, 2015, 03:50:46 am
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

Are you not feeling as good as you think you could be?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2015, 01:26:54 pm
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

Are you not feeling as good as you think you could be?

Well, what I have noticed consistently is that morning erections are stronger at the end of cycle rather than beginning.  So this is a case where I'm wondering if I'm overaromatizing or something.  Plus, I just want to experiment and see if it really makes a difference. 
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: theturducken on January 12, 2015, 03:12:03 pm
How will your dosage and timing look on this protocal? What about dosage and timing of hcg?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2015, 04:14:42 pm
How will your dosage and timing look on this protocal? What about dosage and timing of hcg?

40 mg twice per week.  I'm not doing HCG -doc won't give it to me.

For a related thread started by Dr. Estardiol, see this:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6172.0
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Kierkegaard on January 12, 2015, 07:36:59 pm
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

Are you not feeling as good as you think you could be?

Well, what I have noticed consistently is that morning erections are stronger at the end of cycle rather than beginning.  So this is a case where I'm wondering if I'm overaromatizing or something.  Plus, I just want to experiment and see if it really makes a difference.

That's what I noticed: my best days were the day right before the injection, leading me to cut down as well.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2015, 08:49:14 pm

That's what I noticed: my best days were the day right before the injection, leading me to cut down as well.

Yeah, it's interesting cuzz initially the higher dosages of testosterone seemed to help - it was almost as if I needed a jump start.  But now I don't think that is the case.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Kierkegaard on January 12, 2015, 08:53:37 pm

That's what I noticed: my best days were the day right before the injection, leading me to cut down as well.

Yeah, it's interesting cuzz initially the higher dosages of testosterone seemed to help - it was almost as if I needed a jump start.  But now I don't think that is the case.

What's the timeline for initially?  I find the same thing happened to me!  I'm having to cut down at least 5 mg per injection from what originally worked really well subq.  Strange.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: SomeGuy on January 12, 2015, 09:01:12 pm
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

What was your previous dosage?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 12, 2015, 09:50:01 pm
I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

What was your previous dosage?

50 mg twice per week subq or 100 mg per week total. 

For trivia:  my old clinic started me at 150 mg per week IM.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Regulus on January 13, 2015, 12:11:39 am
I'm with you guys.  Am noticing I feel best right before injection, though I am also finding myself annoyingly horny fairly often.   Will probably follow you on this one Peak.   Doing the math, 80mg test cyp * 70% test/test cyp = 56 mg, which is pretty well in line with natural production.

I am now trying 80 mg/week as an experiment.  I just want to try it for a few weeks or months and see how I feel.  My theory is that I may actually do better at this dosage.  But who knows?

Are you not feeling as good as you think you could be?


Well, what I have noticed consistently is that morning erections are stronger at the end of cycle rather than beginning.  So this is a case where I'm wondering if I'm overaromatizing or something.  Plus, I just want to experiment and see if it really makes a difference.

That's what I noticed: my best days were the day right before the injection, leading me to cut down as well.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Cronos on January 13, 2015, 01:02:23 am
I wonder why y'all are doing better later in the cycle rather than the beginning. I wonder if the beginning is taking y'all to high? Either that or maybe some healing has taken place enough to where y'all do better on lower doses? As in with changes to lifestyle and hormones, neurotransmitters blood flow insulin ect has finally improved enough to the point you don't need such high levels. I'm reminded of the Tsimane who have T levels in the 300's for the sake of immunity but do just fine with these levels. Although they do probably have way better neurotransmitters, glucose/insulin control, less plaque than the majority of us...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 13, 2015, 01:03:47 am
I wonder why y'all are doing better later in the cycle rather than the beginning. I wonder if the beginning is taking y'all to high? Either that or maybe some healing has taken place enough to where y'all do better on lower doses? As in with changes to lifestyle and hormones, neurotransmitters blood flow insulin ect has finally improved enough to the point you don't need such high levels. I'm reminded of the Tsimane who have T levels in the 300's for the sake of immunity but do just fine with these levels. Although they do probably have way better neurotransmitters, glucose/insulin control, less plaque than the majority of us...

Yeah, I've wondered about all of the above.  No way to know it until they can start measuring things behind the blood-brain barrier.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: euphorixx1 on January 13, 2015, 04:53:44 am
It's interesting that he says 60-80mg a week is fine.  I went off Test on 1/31, after injecting just 60mg... and literally felt fine for 8 days after.  Now my T and E got pretty low but i still felt OK.  I bet I will be just fine on 50mg E3.5D, and 250IUhcg.

I may even try 90 per week if things are looking OK
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: bigblueh20 on January 17, 2015, 01:59:43 pm
PeakT,
at 100mg a week where were your testosterone and E2 levels?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 17, 2015, 03:16:33 pm
I believe 100 to 150 higher than now.  Will look it up later
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Kierkegaard on January 17, 2015, 09:56:34 pm
Just an FYI that I'm cruising quite well on a 24 mg E3D schedule, equal to 56 mg per week.  I'm very confident that since going subq I've been overshooting things. 
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: euphorixx1 on January 17, 2015, 10:25:44 pm
That is awesome to hear guys doing well on such low doses... when I was subQ I was taking 140mg a week and barely broke 600T, with HUGE estrogen.  Congrats K
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 17, 2015, 11:12:38 pm
That is awesome to hear guys doing well on such low doses... when I was subQ I was taking 140mg a week and barely broke 600T, with HUGE estrogen.  Congrats K

I am doing much better on this dosage.  I actually am kind of glad they started me out high:  it kind of showed me the "Power of T."  But I wouldn't necessarily think that would be good for everyone.  But they had no program to ramp a guy down.

Anyway, I am now taking roughly half the cypionate as when I started on a weekly basis!

Notice also that I am not a low T guy.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: kquad on January 18, 2015, 10:32:28 pm
I know I am on a much higher dose than you peak, but I wanted to chime in. I feel better this week on 140, than on the higher doses (175 and 200). Part of my issues how seductive it is to put on muscle right now. I have weight lifted since 18, which resulted in  a thin tone build. Now I look at a bench and I gain mass.

Just being honest. I also have a little fear of cutting the dose so much, the depression comes back. It is nice to not have so much water weight though!!
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on January 19, 2015, 12:04:09 am
I know I am on a much higher dose than you peak, but I wanted to chime in. I feel better this week on 140, than on the higher doses (175 and 200). Part of my issues how seductive it is to put on muscle right now. I have weight lifted since 18, which resulted in  a thin tone build. Now I look at a bench and I gain mass.

Just being honest. I also have a little fear of cutting the dose so much, the depression comes back. It is nice to not have so much water weight though!!
unless you have a lot of muscle mass, I predict youll end up near me ebentually or at least rigbt around 100.

Hey, id u have time, I would love to see a thread on what hrt has and has not done for depression for you.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 02:10:14 pm
Okay, I found that morning erections were slowly fading, erectile strength and libido were down.  So I went back up to 50 mg per injection, i.e. 100 mg/week and I'm back in business!  So, for me, 100 mg in two subQ doses looks like the way to go.  Libido is now through the roof, morning erections are back, etc.  Now I have added ALA and Vit C, but they were returning even before I added the ALA.

I have a gut feeling that EOD injections and/or possibly daily might produce even better results and so I may play with that in a few weeks for months.

Again, you have to experiment to find your sweet spot.  It's gonna be different for all of us...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Cronos on April 02, 2015, 02:29:01 pm
Okay, I found that morning erections were slowly fading, erectile strength and libido were down.  So I went back up to 50 mg per injection, i.e. 100 mg/week and I'm back in business!  So, for me, 100 mg in two subQ doses looks like the way to go.  Libido is now through the roof, morning erections are back, etc.  Now I have added ALA and Vit C, but they were returning even before I added the ALA.

I have a gut feeling that EOD injections and/or possibly daily might produce even better results and so I may play with that in a few weeks for months.

Again, you have to experiment to find your sweet spot.  It's gonna be different for all of us...

So it looks like you need a higher peak like in the high 700's then? I know you said at one point 80mg a week put you at 697 peak.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 02:41:37 pm
Okay, I found that morning erections were slowly fading, erectile strength and libido were down.  So I went back up to 50 mg per injection, i.e. 100 mg/week and I'm back in business!  So, for me, 100 mg in two subQ doses looks like the way to go.  Libido is now through the roof, morning erections are back, etc.  Now I have added ALA and Vit C, but they were returning even before I added the ALA.

I have a gut feeling that EOD injections and/or possibly daily might produce even better results and so I may play with that in a few weeks for months.

Again, you have to experiment to find your sweet spot.  It's gonna be different for all of us...

So it looks like you need a higher peak like in the high 700's then? I know you said at one point 80mg a week put you at 697 peak.

I'll pull some number here in a week or two and see where I am at.  I'm a bit confused myself.

Btw, part of my problem on the 80 was the fact I would sometimes forget to do my injection!  I'm trying to be really disciplined now...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Cronos on April 02, 2015, 02:44:21 pm
Okay, I found that morning erections were slowly fading, erectile strength and libido were down.  So I went back up to 50 mg per injection, i.e. 100 mg/week and I'm back in business!  So, for me, 100 mg in two subQ doses looks like the way to go.  Libido is now through the roof, morning erections are back, etc.  Now I have added ALA and Vit C, but they were returning even before I added the ALA.

I have a gut feeling that EOD injections and/or possibly daily might produce even better results and so I may play with that in a few weeks for months.

Again, you have to experiment to find your sweet spot.  It's gonna be different for all of us...

So it looks like you need a higher peak like in the high 700's then? I know you said at one point 80mg a week put you at 697 peak.

I'll pull some number here in a week or two and see where I am at.  I'm a bit confused myself.

Btw, part of my problem on the 80 was the fact I would sometimes forget to do my injection!  I'm trying to be really disciplined now...

Well that would be your issue right their Peak. Testosterone can't do it's job if you don't have it in your body...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 02:55:19 pm

Well that would be your issue right their Peak. Testosterone can't do it's job if you don't have it in your body...

Ha ha.  Yeah, I was being a little hypocritical there...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: euphorixx1 on April 02, 2015, 03:02:39 pm
Amazing how such little t has guys peak so high.  140 mg subq had me peaking at like 600
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 03:03:50 pm
Amazing how such little t has guys peak so high.  140 mg subq had me peaking at like 600

Yeah, that is weird cuzz my SHBG isn't that much higher than yours.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 03:13:08 pm
Regulus has a nice explanation as to how to do a 3 day per week (M W F), which he points out is easy to remember, and I split it out here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=6968.0
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: timmy11 on April 02, 2015, 03:37:59 pm
Amazing how such little t has guys peak so high.  140 mg subq had me peaking at like 600

Yeah, that is weird cuzz my SHBG isn't that much higher than yours.
what is your shbg?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: timmy11 on April 02, 2015, 03:57:48 pm
PeakT, did you have any major symptoms when moving down your dose to 40mg? Also, what is your shbg?
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 03:58:34 pm
Amazing how such little t has guys peak so high.  140 mg subq had me peaking at like 600

Yeah, that is weird cuzz my SHBG isn't that much higher than yours.
what is your shbg?

I believe it was 27 or 28 the last time I had it checked, which means I am at a non-HRT levels of probably around 33 or 34 I would guess.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: Kierkegaard on April 02, 2015, 06:34:14 pm
Just an FYI that my SHBG seems to go lower when I have more middle-of-the-road total T levels compared to high ones.  The reason?  Possibly because glucocorticoids lower SHBG.  Which means that if TRT lowers cortisol, you should conceivable have lower SHBG with middle levels and higher SHBG (as your cortisol goes down more) with higher levels.  Screwy.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 02, 2015, 10:20:43 pm
Just an FYI that my SHBG seems to go lower when I have more middle-of-the-road total T levels compared to high ones.  The reason?  Possibly because glucocorticoids lower SHBG.  Which means that if TRT lowers cortisol, you should conceivable have lower SHBG with middle levels and higher SHBG (as your cortisol goes down more) with higher levels.  Screwy.

Okay, that's a new one...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: SteveT on April 04, 2015, 06:54:54 pm
Not sure how this fits but my morning erections are much stronger the day following taking .5 arimidex.  Doing T injections of about 22mg MWF.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 04, 2015, 11:40:19 pm
Not sure how this fits but my morning erections are much stronger the day following taking .5 arimidex.  Doing T injections of about 22mg MWF.

Well, that's a good sign, but you really have to be careful.  That's a lot of arimidex and not much testosterone, i.e. you don't want to end up with bone loss. 
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: SteveT on April 05, 2015, 12:08:41 am
With Arimidex having a half life of about 2 days doing a quarter X 2 is about as small as I can get them.  66 +- mgs of testosterone per week has been working very well.  I have gone back an forth between cream (with unusual application) and injections (now 3 x per week) and the injections are working nicely.  It took a couple of weeks or more but so far so good.

If there is another way to lower E that works I'm open to knowing more.
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 05, 2015, 12:13:34 am
With Arimidex having a half life of about 2 days doing a quarter X 2 is about as small as I can get them.  66 +- mgs of testosterone per week has been working very well.  I have gone back an forth between cream (with unusual application) and injections (now 3 x per week) and the injections are working nicely.  It took a couple of weeks or more but so far so good.

If there is another way to lower E that works I'm open to knowing more.

I did a quarter tab for awhile.  I just recommend pulling your numbers.  Dont go by faith...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: SteveT on April 05, 2015, 12:31:52 am
Thanks Peak - I'm due a draw in about 6 weeks.  My doc is unforgiving and un-forgetting...
Title: Re: I Am Now Trying 80 Mg Per Week of Cypionate
Post by: PeakT on April 05, 2015, 05:13:43 am
PeakT,
at 100mg a week where were your testosterone and E2 levels?

Well, I'm not the best person to ask, because my last read was a couple months and, while I was 100, I was quite inconsistent. I would quite often go for 4 days or 5 or even 6 instead of the 3.5 I was supposed to go.  I am going to give this another week to stabilize and then pull it.  So ask again in a week or two if you think of it...