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Title: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 02, 2015, 06:10:49 pm
Hey guys just to refresh I had a hearts scan of 777 in January, so I've been on a quest to quantify my CVD.  Had an Endo-PAT done.  I'm pretty happy with the results.  Any thought?  Ways to improve?

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Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: drew_ba on May 02, 2015, 06:12:48 pm
Congrats on getting Normal... now time to work on getting to stellar.  Is your BMI high because you are overweight? A bodybuilder?
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 02, 2015, 06:23:32 pm
Congrats on getting Normal... now time to work on getting to stellar.  Is your BMI high because you are overweight? A bodybuilder?

Thanks!  I am a large bone guy with muscle mass but I have a bunch more weight to lose.  I'm 250 lbs

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Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: drew_ba on May 02, 2015, 06:30:25 pm
Good stuff. I bet with some weight loss your endothelial function would improve.  What kind of lifestyle changes have you made so far?
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 02, 2015, 09:43:02 pm
Nice roadglide!  You're on the road to recovery.

Hey, one of the other guys had an Endo-Pat - I'll see if I can track him down.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 03, 2015, 03:58:25 am
Good stuff. I bet with some weight loss your endothelial function would improve.  What kind of lifestyle changes have you made so far?

A bunch!  Been hard on my body most of my life.  Partying, smoking, drinking, and eating fast food and pizzas.  Was diabetic 15 years ago, and I guess technically still am.  My latest blood work that I'll post tomorrow morning A1C was 5.6, I'll have to review the tests, but the Doc said no pre-diabetic markers or indications either.

I had went low carb, and got off the Metformin about 12 years ago, but still didn't take my health serious until the ED started to set in.  Then I started reading the board, and realized I needed to change my lifestyle.  I quit smoking shortly after I joined this site.  I'm mainly plant based but still may be over doing the fat from Pumpkin seed, Avocado, Flax seed, Chia seed, Almonds, Walnuts, Sardines, Salmon, Tuna, and natural chicken.  Try to go organic, wild caught, natural.

Quit smoking
high NO foods
Organic
Supplements
Tread mill


Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 03, 2015, 04:08:36 am
Nice roadglide!  You're on the road to recovery.

Hey, one of the other guys had an Endo-Pat - I'll see if I can track him down.

Cool!
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 03, 2015, 04:47:29 am
Nice roadglide!  You're on the road to recovery.

Hey, one of the other guys had an Endo-Pat - I'll see if I can track him down.

Cool!

Stay tuned here.  I'm sure he'll respond if he has time...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 03, 2015, 02:22:59 pm
Nice roadglide!  You're on the road to recovery.

Hey, one of the other guys had an Endo-Pat - I'll see if I can track him down.

Cool!

Well Peak, most of what I'm doing is based on what I've read here. I still only understand about 20% of it.  Starting to be dangerous...lol

Stay tuned here.  I'm sure he'll respond if he has time...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 03, 2015, 10:40:24 pm
roadglide,


I'm the other guy that got the Endopat. I wanted to just chime in and say congratulations on your progress. I don't recall my Endopat score as I didn't post it here - I'll track it down. I'm thinking of getting another one done in a month or so. I went low carb / high fat in October and dropped a lot of weight and I'm really curious to see if I improved my endothelial function. I also switched over to subq injections and need to get a blood draw anyway...


Something is working - I had a new max of 350 in my deadlift just this morning - recorded to prove it! :)
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 04, 2015, 12:47:54 am
roadglide,


I'm the other guy that got the Endopat. I wanted to just chime in and say congratulations on your progress. I don't recall my Endopat score as I didn't post it here - I'll track it down. I'm thinking of getting another one done in a month or so. I went low carb / high fat in October and dropped a lot of weight and I'm really curious to see if I improved my endothelial function. I also switched over to subq injections and need to get a blood draw anyway...


Something is working - I had a new max of 350 in my deadlift just this morning - recorded to prove it! :)

Great job on the lift!  I've done a little weight training in the past, but nothing like that.  I plan to get started this week, been doing the treadmill though.  If you know a good routine for a 49 year old that won't beat up joints or tendons too bad pass it on.  I want to get serious about my physique, but need a little guidance.  Most body building forums are for younger guys.

Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 04, 2015, 02:51:41 am
Thanks! :)


Well, if I spend too much time responding I'm going to get on a soapbox. I am 45, so hugely proud of my lifts. I'm at 350 for deadlift, 365 for squats, and 265 for bench press. My goal is 400/400/300 respectively. If you say a picture of me 10 years ago you just would not believe I'm the same guy...


Let me start by saying there are a thousand philosophies so mine is just one of many.


that said...


dump the treadmill.


I think that might be the WORST thing you can do for your joints. If you want an aerobic workout, consider a nice rower like the Concept C2. Pricey, but way better for you. However, I read two great books that really changed my opinion on exercise. One is a book titled "Younger Next Year", which I think everyone in their 40s should read.


Part of the premise of the books is you should do cardio to increase the length of your life, and heavy strength training to increase the quality. When I travel and use a hotel gym, the heavy people are always on the bikes, treadmills, etc., while the truly fit people are using the free weights - that sold me.


I read a book on body building called Braun. It's not well written and can be a tough read, but it changed my life. I adopted the same attitude of a body builder, focusing on the big compound lifts (deadlift, squat, bench press) and augmenting with isolation exercises. I started with a 5 day a week, total body program using dumbbells. I remember when I first started at 40, I could barely do 10 sit ups. Now in a given week, I will do 3 days of 3 sets of 20 with a 25lb plate behind my head, one day with 3 sets of 20 using a 35lb plate, and 1 day of 4 sets of 25 unweighted sit-ups. A strong core makes everything in life better - including sex. I don't say this to brag - just to illustrate - YOU CAN DO IT but you have to start with what's manageable and keep moving forward.


I have logged EVERY SINGLE EXERCISE I've done for the last five years. I have a spreadsheet that has 4 week's worth of columns on it. I will fill it out as I workout. When it's full, I will make a new copy of the spreadsheet and adjust accordingly. For example, I might find that a certain workout is stressing my triceps, making the next day's exercise's difficult. so, I adjust and move things and change weights. If an exercise goes up in reps or weight, I highlight with a yellow highlighter so I can see the progress on the sheet. If an exercise was easy or I think I can push it further next time, I put a + next to the amount. You really can't remember a week later how things went for you, but the notes are right there. EVERY SINGLE DAY I work out I log it. I think this is absolutely critical.


It's a marathon, not a sprint. Think total body, log everything, and make sure you don't be lazy and only do exercises that you like. Do you know how many guys only work their upper body? It's crazy! Do you know the exercise that works more muscles in the human body than any other? It's the deadlift. When I started, I could not do 20 goblet squats with a single 20lb dumbbell. Five years later I'm doing 350 and I WILL hit 400 by fall. Squats work your biggest muscles and create some of the biggest boost of growth hormones. Do do deadlifts, you will need to work your grip, so you work your grip. Again, think TOTAL body. As you go, you will start realizing your weaknesses, so you spend a little more time the next month on those weaknesses, but keep the total body approach going.


I'd be happy to share my workout, but it would not be appropriate for you. I could share what I started with if you're interested... I can tell you that all of the miscellaneous aches and pains have all gone away (a foam roller is your friend), and while I'm happily married I can tell you that women (and men) engage me differently.


I thought the way I looked at felt was just the way it was - a fact of aging. I'm so glad I sorted out the hormones (well, we are always working on that), changed my eating, started working out - my life is so much better than it was 10 years ago and gets better every year. 


Ooops - I think I warned you about the soap box. :)
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 04, 2015, 03:20:15 am
JinNE,

That would be great if you could outline a basic workout to start out with.  You can see my BMI in this thread to get an idea of what I'm starting with.  I definitely need core, and like the idea of compound lifts.  Never tried a dead lift but just watched a youtube video of one.  I'd start out with low weight for sure and focus on form.  Watch youtube videos for technique.

So do you workout at home, or bring you spreadsheet to the gym?

Just started the tread mill to get something started right away in the short term.



Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 04, 2015, 03:30:36 am
Hi roadglide,


I've had a few friends ask me to do this, so give me a few days and I'll put something together...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 04, 2015, 05:17:42 am
Hi roadglide,


I've had a few friends ask me to do this, so give me a few days and I'll put something together...

Thx JinEE...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 15, 2015, 04:15:10 pm
Hi roadglide,

I promised you information on my workout and I’m sorry it’s taken so long to get it to you. I log my workouts, but I found I only have my logs going back two years, so I don’t have my early workouts but I’ll try and construct them from memory. I hope you find something in here of value...

DISCLAIMER: I am not a doctor and I'm not a physical trainer. I'm just sharing my personal experience of what has worked for me.

When I started working out about 5 years ago (when I turned 40), I was about 225lbs with easily 35% body fat. My neck and shoulders always hurt from using a computer, and under my left should blade I had acute pain. My left knee always hurt, and I had plantar fasciitis so my feet hurt in the morning. I was also suffering from low Testosterone at the time but hadn’t been diagnosed, so I had was sad, tired, and stressed as well.

For the first few years of working out, I saw some improvements but not as many as I had hoped – it took sorting out my hormones, changing my diet, getting an a CPAP for apnea, and really lifting heavy weights to make the big changes. I’m happy to say now I am in the best shape of my life, and NOTHING hurts anymore!

I knew I needed to work out, but I hated exercise. I also hated mornings. However, an honest assessment of my situation showed me I needed to get up early and workout. If I tried during the day something would always get in the way, and if I tried it at night I would be too tired and also miss time with my family. So, I started getting up early and working out before work. I set up a workout area in my basement and had just a bench and a small set of dumbbells at the time. I considered getting out of bed, getting dressed, and just showing up in the basement a victory – moving weights at the time was gravy on that.

I started with a total body dumbbell workout consisting of (from memory and not in order), the following:

•   Goblet Squat. At the time, trying to do 10 goblet squats with a 20lb dumbbell was HARD! Again, the theme was just show up and move weight. If it was too hard to do with good form, I backed down the weight. You have to set the ego aside – the amount of weight is unimportant as long as it taxes your muscles and you can move it with good form. Keep this is mind ALWAYS. My current squat max is 365lb today, and I’m about to go for 385lb. This was a very long, slow progression – good form at one weight, add weight the next time. Log EVERY workout and make notes – was it easy? Was it hard? Was the order wrong, in other words did I do something that burned out my triceps and effected the next exercise I did? LOG LOG LOG.
•   Sit ups. At first, these were without weights. I couldn’t even do 10 of them well – I would come up off the bench sort of sideways. When I could do them consistently, I started holding 2.5lb dumbells on my shoulder, then 5lb dumbells, then I moved to a 5 pound plate behind the head, then a 10 pound. Now I use a 25lb most of the time, but I do one day where I do 3x20 with a 25lb plate behind my head! Remember, when I started, NO WEIGHTS and I couldn’t do 20. You have to keep at it and keep at it for the long haul.
•   Dumbbell curls. Little weights at first for my rubber arms. Log, improve form, add weights. Don’t get too hung up on this – something like 60% of the arm is triceps, so work your triceps as much or more than your biceps if you want bigger, stronger arms.
•   Seated tricep press. Again, I think I started with 5 or 10lb weights, and now use 55lb. Low, use proper form, and add weight when you’re ready.
•   Dumbbell bench press.
•   Dumbbell flyes.
•   Dumbbell shrugs.
•   Dumbbell power partials.

So, the above was close to what I did, five days a week. It helped create at least a base for most muscle groups. However, things really took off when I read a book called Brawn. This book is for bodybuilders – I figured if I wanted to put on muscle (and I most definitely did), I should read a book on bodybuilding. It changed my life.

A few things I gleaned from this book:

1.   If you want to get big and strong, you have to do the compound exercises. The big three being Deadlifts, Squats, and Bench. Sorry many want to skip one or all of these. For example, the Deadlift intimidates people, and I find it crushing – I nicknamed it the Destroyer because it wrecks me! However, there is NO exercise you can do that works more muscles in the body than the Deadlift; it’s got to be a staple if you are serious about being strong. Squats are great because they work your largest muscles – the quads – and that causes a nice release of growth hormone. They are called compound exercises because they work a lot of muscle groups, and to me they should be your foundation and you should tailor your workout around them.

2.     Isolation exercises should be used to train specific muscles, but be wary of lifts that restrict motion, such as preacher curls. When you restrict motion to isolate an exercise, you create an opportunity for injury.

3.   This book taught me the importance of rest an recovery, and how you don’t need long exercises, nor do you need to (or should you) work any muscle group hard more than once a week. My daily exercises are between 30 and 40 minutes, and you’ll see by my current workout program below that with the exception of bench (which is my current area of focus) I don’t work any major group hard more than once a week. It works! :)

4.   I think I learned to log in this book as well, which might explain why my logs don’t back to when I started.

5.   This book exposed me to the importance of the structure of routine. I am always making notes about how I feel and what I should change. Every now and then I screw this up, like working grip the day before deadlift, and my deadlift suffers because my grip is worn out.

6.   This is about the time I added serious grip training and put in a chin up bar. All the stuff that was hard and not fun – that’s the stuff that helps.

7.   I think I learned from this book to avoid aids like lifting straps. That means I had to do things like work my grip. Sometimes I couldn’t increase one exercise because of a weakness in a supportive muscle (ie grip was not strong enough to deadlife more) so I would shift my focus to improving the weakness. For me, it because all about balance and being strong overall, not just in places that I enjoyed working out or that were easy for me.
So, here’s my current routine. This is not an easy routine, and I don’t suggest you try this, but it illustrates the idea of how to structure the order and frequency of your workouts. I don’t have a specific day of rest in this – I let my body tell me. Perhaps I had a few too many drinks one night, I rest the next day. :) I still get out of bed at the same time, I still take my pre-workout and I still go downstairs – I just don’t work out. Keeping the routine is critical to me – absolutely 100% critical. If I start sleeping in I am doomed. Also, if time is short or I am not feeling it, I might skip something in a routine. The point is to get up, show up, and move some weights - not to be 100% perfect.

There are lots of ideas on number of reps, how much weight, and so forth. Basic oversimplified rule of thumb is:

•   Heavy weights with very low reps (3-5) for strength - think power lifter
•   Medium weights with moderate reps (6-14) for balance of strength and size
•   Light weights with high reps (15+) for endurance

You’ll see in my routine I am all over the map. :) This comes from me taking notes and adjusting – I do what feels right and what I think will get me to my personal goals – it’s that simple. That doesn’t mean I’m right or you should follow this – it just means that I have found a path that works for me, and I’m always adjusting that path.

Note: I’ve had to make investments in equipment to do this at home. I have added to this slowly over time, as my abilities got to the point where they justified the changes.

My equipment today consists of:
•   Rogue power rack. This lets me do squats and bench pressing in complete safety without a spotter.
•   Dips station that attaches to the rack.
•   Solid bench.
•   Olympic weights.
•   Dumbbell set that goes to 60lbs.
•   Declined bench for sit ups
•   Captains of Crush grip trainers. I use the Trainer for warmups, and the #1 for my main sets.
•   Pull-up bar that I built out of black pipe.

So, here’s my current routine…

Day One
Barbell Bench Press        warm ups at 155lb, 4x5 @ 200lb, 1x5 @ 220lb
Sit-ups                    3x20 with 25lb plate behind the head
Dumbbell Flyes             2x10 @ 50lb, 1x10 @ 55lb
Palm Down Dumbbell Wrist Curl  3x15 @ 20lb. I had to add these because I was getting what felt like shin splints in my forearms when curling, and I found I needed to strengthen this part of my forearm, which is not strengthened with gripping exercises.
Dumbbell Press             3x10 @ 60lb
                               
Day Two
Stiff Legged Dead Lift     warm ups, 1x5 @ 245lb, 3x5 @ 295lb
Neck                       4x10 @ 25lb (I lie face down on the bench with my head hanging over, and put the plate on the back of my head. I read that a strong neck can prevent or lessen injuries from falls and car crashes…)
Chin-ups                   3x10 no weights
Sit-ups                    3x10 no weights
Pushups                    3x10 no weights
 
Day Three         
Barbell Curl           3x10 @100
Seated Triceps Press   3x10 @ 55lb
Concentration Curls    3x10 @ 40lb
EZ Barr Skullcrushers  3x10 @ 70lb
Dips (4 sets to failure)   4x
Inclined Hammer Curls  3x10 @ 30lb
 
Day Four
Chin-ups       3x10 no weights
Plyobox Jumps  3x10 on small side
Grips: Captions of Crush   10 with Trainer, 3x10 with Level 1
Sit Ups        3x20       @ 35lb  plate behind head
 
Day Five                             
Repeat Day 1 (Bench is my focus currently)
 
Day 6                   
Squat      3x5 @ 105lb, 2x5 @ 330lb
Pushups    3x10 no weights
Sit Ups    4x25 no weights
Barbell Calf Raises    3x10 @ 275lb
                               
Day 7
Power Partials   2x10 @ 20lb, 2x10 at 30lb
Barbell Row      3x10 @ 175
Barbell Shrugs   3x10 @ 215lb
Sit Ups          3x20 @ 25lb plate behind head
Plyobox Jumps    3x10 on small side
Dumbbell Shrugs  3x10 @ 60lb

I recognize I’ve thrown a LOT of information at you, and I’ve kept back a lot too! :) Hopefully some of this is helpful, and I welcome any questions.
Let me close by saying that what was once work, is now fun. I love watching the changes to my body, and I love how people react and interact with me differently now that I’m fit. I love being strong, and I love not having random aches and pains. While I anticipate constant evolution of my routine, I am NEVER going back to the way I was.

Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 15, 2015, 07:13:10 pm
Nice Jinee!   Thx for the post...

Hey, what do you mean by the compound/Braun routine changed your life?
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 15, 2015, 07:37:28 pm
Before I read this book, I was exercising - even doing the treadmill which I left off of here - but just not getting much results.


Approaching exercise from a body building perspective as taught in this book actually made me fit and strong. This gave me motivation to keep exercising, changed my self-image, and changed how others viewed and responded to me. I'm in my mid 40s so I know girls/women aren't hitting on me, but I also notice that they hold eye contact longer and engage in dialog more openly - it's weird but wonderful. I feel I moved from just a typical middle-aged guy to someone that even younger generations are looking up to and wanting to know what I'm doing. My teenage son and his friends (football players, lifters, etc.) are asking me for training advice and my son is saying things like "I want arms like you". I even inspired him and he lost 35 pounds and looks AMAZING! I would have never thought I would inspire ANYONE from an exercise or lifestyle perspective.


ie, it changed my life. :)
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 15, 2015, 07:53:39 pm
JinNE,

Thanks my internet brother. You totally hooked me up. I'll have to read it when I get home from work. Much appreciated!!!
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 15, 2015, 08:21:46 pm
I do want to warn you if you read the book Brawn  (http://www.amazon.com/Brawn-3rd-Stuart-McRobert/dp/9963916317/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431721235&sr=8-1&keywords=brawn)that it's a tough read and doesn't necessarily flow well, but the goods are in there!


Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. :)
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 16, 2015, 03:16:49 am
Before I read this book, I was exercising - even doing the treadmill which I left off of here - but just not getting much results.


Approaching exercise from a body building perspective as taught in this book actually made me fit and strong. This gave me motivation to keep exercising, changed my self-image, and changed how others viewed and responded to me. I'm in my mid 40s so I know girls/women aren't hitting on me, but I also notice that they hold eye contact longer and engage in dialog more openly - it's weird but wonderful. I feel I moved from just a typical middle-aged guy to someone that even younger generations are looking up to and wanting to know what I'm doing. My teenage son and his friends (football players, lifters, etc.) are asking me for training advice and my son is saying things like "I want arms like you". I even inspired him and he lost 35 pounds and looks AMAZING! I would have never thought I would inspire ANYONE from an exercise or lifestyle perspective.


ie, it changed my life. :)

Hey, let me point out something obvious here:  you now have the body of a twenty five year old.  Effectively, you de-aged your body two decades, so a 100 kudos to you.

This will be controversial I am sure with some guys here, but it's pretty easy to de-age your face generally as well.  You can probably bump yourself back to your mid 30's without too much trouble.

That may not be an interest but just mentioning it...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 17, 2015, 01:41:12 pm
Awesome read!  Finally had a chance to sit down and read your post a few times.  Thanks again!

One can always pick up a book and start reading, but it sure is nice to get first hand experiences and success stories.  Think I've learned enough to get started.  Much more then I knew before.  I didn't know compound exercises were so important.

Time to start looking on Craigs list for some weights.   
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 17, 2015, 03:43:36 pm
roadglide, it's my pleasure to share my story! I get a little evangelical about it only because of the progress I've made - progress I would have bet money I couldn't have made. I'm learning that we all have far more control over our destinies than we think we do - it just requires more learning, more effort, and an expanded time horizon than most people want to deal with.


Peak - I have a picture I show people of me 10 years ago - everyone always says I look younger today! You have "peaked" my curiosity on the de-aging of the face! lol Tell me more...
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 17, 2015, 04:25:14 pm
roadglide, it's my pleasure to share my story! I get a little evangelical about it only because of the progress I've made - progress I would have bet money I couldn't have made. I'm learning that we all have far more control over our destinies than we think we do - it just requires more learning, more effort, and an expanded time horizon than most people want to deal with.


Peak - I have a picture I show people of me 10 years ago - everyone always says I look younger today! You have "peaked" my curiosity on the de-aging of the face! lol Tell me more...

You found your calling!  A motivational speaker....lol

I think it's awesome that you discovered gold and want to share!

I might pick up that book.  My reading comprehension skills aren't the greatest.  Plus I'm tired of reading so many damn health books lately.

I did find a weight set on Craigs with smith machine, and I'm going to buy the crush grip right now.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 17, 2015, 04:52:38 pm
Actually, I do want to be a motivational speaker some day. :)


that's great about the weights on Craigslist!
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bodybuilding.com has lots of workout routines and a very active forum. They even have a forum for 35+


Also, I highly recommend you get a foam roller and learn to use it properly - they are awesome and cheap - and they keep me from the chiropractor most of the time...







Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 17, 2015, 05:29:59 pm
Actually, I do want to be a motivational speaker some day. :)


that's great about the weights on Craigslist!
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bodybuilding.com has lots of workout routines and a very active forum. They even have a forum for 35+


Also, I highly recommend you get a foam roller and learn to use it properly - they are awesome and cheap - and they keep me from the chiropractor most of the time...

Foam roller for???
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 17, 2015, 05:42:27 pm

For rolling out your back and various muscles. Here's a little primer:

http://www.menshealth.co.uk/fitness/sports-injuries/4-foam-roller-exercises#image-1


the 12" or 18" version of this one works perfectly:


http://www.amazon.com/Black-High-Density-Foam-Roller/dp/B00GZXYJ8A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431884483&sr=8-1&keywords=foam+roller


I have one in my bedroom, one in my fitness room, and one at my office. I probably roll out my back a good six times a day.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 17, 2015, 08:47:57 pm

Foam roller for???

Seems kinda goofy when you first hear about it, but it works.  It's called "myofascial release" or "myofascial stretching" and is actually widely used.  It can really get rid of post-workout muscular type soreness, or I should say reduce it.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 18, 2015, 11:15:59 am

Foam roller for???

Seems kinda goofy when you first hear about it, but it works.  It's called "myofascial release" or "myofascial stretching" and is actually widely used.  It can really get rid of post-workout muscular type soreness, or I should say reduce it.


I can also crack my spine with one - something I cannot do any other way short of visiting a chiropractor.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 18, 2015, 04:46:04 pm
Interesting, I'll give one a shot.

Question on the grips.  Do most people start with the "1"
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 18, 2015, 05:02:17 pm
Interesting, I'll give one a shot.

Question on the grips.  Do most people start with the "1"


Don't start with the 1 - that is TOUGH.  Unless you are already really strong with the grip, I recommend the trainer. For me, the Trainer was very tough at first.
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: PeakT on May 18, 2015, 06:37:23 pm

Foam roller for???

Seems kinda goofy when you first hear about it, but it works.  It's called "myofascial release" or "myofascial stretching" and is actually widely used.  It can really get rid of post-workout muscular type soreness, or I should say reduce it.

I can also crack my spine with one - something I cannot do any other way short of visiting a chiropractor.

Great tip.  Not sure how you do that, so, if you ever run across a video that shows your methodology, post it if you think of it.

I pop my lower back from stretching and also from holding the steering wheel in the car and looking into the back seat.  Now don't ask me if the latter is safe, but it just happens.


Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 19, 2015, 11:51:41 pm
Interesting, I'll give one a shot.

Question on the grips.  Do most people start with the "1"


Don't start with the 1 - that is TOUGH.  Unless you are already really strong with the grip, I recommend the trainer. For me, the Trainer was very tough at first.

Good info....thanks!
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: roadglide on May 21, 2015, 01:53:43 am
jinNE,

What about sups.  Are you taking any, and what works best for recovery?
Title: Re: Endo-PAT results
Post by: jinNE on May 26, 2015, 11:19:53 am
Hi roadglide,


I used to take about 18 pills a day but I stopped a few months ago. Not on purpose mind you - when I went low carb/high fat I stopped eating breakfast. My morning suppliments messed with my stomach and I didn't make the switch to taking them at noon. When I realized what I was doing, I decided to hold off until my blood work last week to get a new base line. So, I just started my suppliments again last week.


That said I do take a pre-workout (usually C4 stacked with NX6 from Complete Nutrition). Since I workout so early, I like having the stims...


A side note - I have been letting carbs into my day and I've put back on almost 9 pounds and it's all in my belly. :( Great experiment, but I need to get my shit together again - pretty frustrating.