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Title: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: SomeGuy on May 28, 2015, 06:58:36 pm
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: Sam Duxbury on May 28, 2015, 07:35:29 pm
Hi SomeGuy!

I just ran across your post, as I just updated my own stats for my profile.

My doctor and I just had a follow-up review yesterday, and everything is fine with my post-pellet HRT blood work. She loves
my numbers, and does not see a problem with my Free T = 1,264 ng/mL AND Estradiol = 17.4 pg/mL under control with
weekly Letrozole and Sub-Q hCG. I have no bad side effects, only awesomely good side-effects.

My hair has darkened over the last three years, I've put on 14 pounds of muscle mass, waist size has dropped to a loose 34
inches. I can do a good weekend of work at my Lover's 5 acre country property. The weekend lovemaking is awesome,
I feel like I'm in my mid-30s again.

As long as you AND your doctor see no deleterious effects from your serum levels, and you are making gains at the gym,
then IMHO just keep it up.

As Mr. PeakT has said, constant monitoring and tweaking the protocol to meet YOUR needs is the route to success.

Please keep us posted as to your progress. Cheers! - Sam D.
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: PeakT on May 28, 2015, 09:30:47 pm
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)

Well, I think one could argue that high SHBG guys might need to go a little high for obvious reasons, but you don't look high SHBG.

I think the risk with slightly high testosterone is in the clotting arena.  Most guys with T levels as high as yours are going to have to do one of two things:

a) live with higher estradiol

b) take Arimidex

Either one of these can negatively impact the clotting cascade.  Now you could try to game that with Rutin or Nattokinase or something.  But I'm not a hemotologist and don't know how well that would work and I just don't see the advantage.

And, yes, I know that guys aren't dropping right and left on Arimidex and maybe it's not an issue.  But, when you are 60 or 70 and you're taking a half mg of Arimidex a couple of times per week, are you really sure there can't be an issue as the decades roll by?

Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: aftertrt on June 02, 2015, 11:14:53 am
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)

Well, I think one could argue that high SHBG guys might need to go a little high for obvious reasons, but you don't look high SHBG.

I think the risk with slightly high testosterone is in the clotting arena.  Most guys with T levels as high as yours are going to have to do one of two things:

a) live with higher estradiol

b) take Arimidex

Either one of these can negatively impact the clotting cascade.  Now you could try to game that with Rutin or Nattokinase or something.  But I'm not a hemotologist and don't know how well that would work and I just don't see the advantage.

And, yes, I know that guys aren't dropping right and left on Arimidex and maybe it's not an issue.  But, when you are 60 or 70 and you're taking a half mg of Arimidex a couple of times per week, are you really sure there can't be an issue as the decades roll by?

Why should high estradiol should be bad for clotting issues? Due to my hematologist, the problem only occur with contraceptions which are metabolized in the liver?
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: PeakT on June 02, 2015, 06:52:50 pm

Why should high estradiol should be bad for clotting issues? Due to my hematologist, the problem only occur with contraceptions which are metabolized in the liver?

Can't imagine a hematologist saying that.  Look - I have a (female) relative who cannot go on estrogen therapy - and she is low estrogen - because she has a clotting issue.  Why?  Because estrogen can negatively impact clotting.
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: Kierkegaard on June 02, 2015, 06:56:53 pm
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)

You're at steroid ranges with those numbers.  If our bodies are meant to stay within a range, and any single hormone (e.g., testosterone) affects other hormones (the vast majority of which we don't understand given the limitations of science), I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with staying permanently at that level.  And your odds of getting high hematocrit/hemoglobin are much higher at this dose.  Heck, with that much T, you're getting that much more DHT, and although it's a rarity to have someone go bald as a result of TRT, you're pushing the line.

At the same time, if you plan on keeping this for a while, you might as well hit the gym every day until you lower your dose.  You know, making the best of your current situation. :)
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: PeakT on June 02, 2015, 07:29:41 pm
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)

You're at steroid ranges with those numbers.  If our bodies are meant to stay within a range, and any single hormone (e.g., testosterone) affects other hormones (the vast majority of which we don't understand given the limitations of science), I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with staying permanently at that level.  And your odds of getting high hematocrit/hemoglobin are much higher at this dose.  Heck, with that much T, you're getting that much more DHT, and although it's a rarity to have someone go bald as a result of TRT, you're pushing the line.

At the same time, if you plan on keeping this for a while, you might as well hit the gym every day until you lower your dose.  You know, making the best of your current situation. :)

You know I agree with you that you shouldn't go over 1200 and many guys should be even lower and not pushing the limits.

But, as an fyi:  the steroid guys are doing 2,500+ and are double and triple SomeGuy...
Title: Re: Keeping testosterone levels above reference range. Is this ok?
Post by: euphorixx1 on June 02, 2015, 10:09:07 pm
I'm on doctor prescribed 100mg testosterone cypionate IM 2x per week (for a total of 200mg per week). I've been on this protocol for 8 months now. I feel good, but my testosterone levels stay above the reference range. i've measured peak and trough levels and this dosage keeps me bouncing between

1295-1470 total testosterone (range: 348-1197) and around 40 free testosterone (range: 8.7-25.1)

My doctor says this is fine as long as I don't have negative side effects and my blood pressure hematocrit, PSA, lipids, etc. all stay good. We're monitoring them regularly and so far they're all great. My hairline is holding strong. The only "bad" side effects I've noticed are slight body acne and I have somewhat more body hair than before. I don't really mind this.

I feel great, and I'm enjoying the extra energy and gains at the gym. Assuming my lab levels all stay good, is there any reason that I shouldn't keep my testosterone levels this high permanently (i.e., the rest of my life?)

You're at steroid ranges with those numbers.  If our bodies are meant to stay within a range, and any single hormone (e.g., testosterone) affects other hormones (the vast majority of which we don't understand given the limitations of science), I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable with staying permanently at that level.  And your odds of getting high hematocrit/hemoglobin are much higher at this dose.  Heck, with that much T, you're getting that much more DHT, and although it's a rarity to have someone go bald as a result of TRT, you're pushing the line.

At the same time, if you plan on keeping this for a while, you might as well hit the gym every day until you lower your dose.  You know, making the best of your current situation. :)

You know I agree with you that you shouldn't go over 1200 and many guys should be even lower and not pushing the limits.

But, as an fyi:  the steroid guys are doing 2,500+ and are double and triple SomeGuy...

Peak is right on this.  Even where you are, you still arent steroid range.  Just watch red blood cell count etc..