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Title: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 18, 2015, 09:24:29 pm
I'm thinking about raising my dose from 300 two times weekly to 500 units. With my 70 mgs of Testosterone.

What is the highest HGC dose you have seen ,in conjuction with testosterone?

Thanks
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 18, 2015, 09:28:43 pm
I'm thinking about raising my dose from 300 two times weekly to 500 units. With my 70 mgs of Testosterone.

What is the highest HGC dose you have seen ,in conjuction with testosterone?

Thanks

500 twice a week is pretty common in conjunction with HRT.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 18, 2015, 09:35:41 pm
I'm thinking about raising my dose from 300 two times weekly to 500 units. With my 70 mgs of Testosterone.

What is the highest HGC dose you have seen ,in conjuction with testosterone?

Thanks

500 twice a week is pretty common in conjunction with HRT.

I don't know where I heard about that dose,but I'm going to try it to see how it works and will post my results.

Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 18, 2015, 09:41:06 pm

I don't know where I heard about that dose,but I'm going to try it to see how it works and will post my results.

Some guys do not get much effect from 250 IU.  I did just fine as far as volumization with 250, but not everyone does. 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Cataceous on June 18, 2015, 10:00:27 pm
Some guys do not get much effect from 250 IU.  I did just fine as far as volumization with 250, but not everyone does.

What about the other end of the spectrum? What's the minimum where somebody's getting useful results?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 18, 2015, 10:39:57 pm
Some guys do not get much effect from 250 IU.  I did just fine as far as volumization with 250, but not everyone does.

What about the other end of the spectrum? What's the minimum where somebody's getting useful results?

I don't think that less than 500 weekly will do something,but everybody is different
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: HouKN98 on June 18, 2015, 10:55:04 pm
It's a little difficult to determine the right dose for you, but try not to take in more than 500 in one shot.  You could do twice a week or 3x weekly, just not more than 500 per shot.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 19, 2015, 02:49:56 am

What about the other end of the spectrum? What's the minimum where somebody's getting useful results?

I've never heard of anyone doing less than 250 IU twice per week but who knows?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Yub yub on June 24, 2015, 03:39:50 am
I'm doing 1,500 IUs of HCG twice a week plus 50mg of testosterone once a week. This regimen seems to work okay for me.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Hydranted on June 24, 2015, 03:23:42 pm
Dr. Larry Lipshultz, last I checked, was still recommending 500IU 3x per week along with testosterone.  That's the highest I've seen from any doctor specializing in HRT, but that is certainly higher than most would recommend.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 24, 2015, 05:07:18 pm
Dr. Larry Lipshultz, last I checked, was still recommending 500IU 3x per week along with testosterone.  That's the highest I've seen from any doctor specializing in HRT, but that is certainly higher than most would recommend.


But it also depends on the Test dose,right ,Hydranted?  In my opinion it is not the same to have ,let's say 70 mgs of test weekly than 100 mgs in this last one , maybe 1500 iu weekly could be a lot or I'm wrong ?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Hydranted on June 24, 2015, 05:56:34 pm
Dr. Larry Lipshultz, last I checked, was still recommending 500IU 3x per week along with testosterone.  That's the highest I've seen from any doctor specializing in HRT, but that is certainly higher than most would recommend.


But it also depends on the Test dose,right ,Hydranted?  In my opinion it is not the same to have ,let's say 70 mgs of test weekly than 100 mgs in this last one , maybe 1500 iu weekly could be a lot or I'm wrong ?


Yes for most men on TRT, 1500IU of hCG is a very hefty weekly dose.  It's unnecessary to take that much unless the user doesn't respond to lower doses for one reason or another.  It would be extremely rare for that much hCG to be needed. 

HCG aromatizes into estradiol, and some guys are very sensitive to this type of aromatization.  Men have reported over aromatization from very small/reasonable doses of hCG, so taking 1500IU definitely has the potential to create problems.

To answer your question, yes, a lower dose of testosterone would theoretically be "better" if high doses of hCG are used.  If there's already significant aromatization from the hCG, there will still be the aromatization from the testosterone to take into account.

Most doctors don't use that approach for typical HRT though.  If hCG is causing too much aromatization they usually just lower the dose of hCG, not the testosterone.


Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: HouKN98 on June 24, 2015, 06:36:11 pm
I'm on 1000 IU HCG per week, 500 IU twice weekly.

My estradiol was 30 at last draw. I'm thinking maybe I should lower my HCG dose to about 400 IU twice weekly, or split it up into 3 weekly shots of 250-300 IU each. That might nick a few points off my estradiol...
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 24, 2015, 09:17:39 pm
I think 1000 weekly is something I'm going to try. I'll post results

Thanks
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 24, 2015, 09:37:22 pm
I think 1000 weekly is something I'm going to try. I'll post results

Thanks

Hey, one thing you may not be thinking about is that there is a reason to go lower with HCG:  it tends to fire up estradiol more proportionately.  So the higher you go may seem like a good thing, but the extra estradiol may not agree with you.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 24, 2015, 10:17:23 pm
I think 1000 weekly is something I'm going to try. I'll post results

Thanks

Hey, one thing you may not be thinking about is that there is a reason to go lower with HCG:  it tends to fire up estradiol more proportionately.  So the higher you go may seem like a good thing, but the extra estradiol may not agree with you.

Yes Peak, I know but I'm on Arimidex .25 weekly and I'll get my results on the ultrasensitive test this weekend. The normal one gave me a result of 37 so let's see what does the ultrasensitive says. There is always time to go back to 250 twice weekly .Good thing is that I'm not very high on E2 and I have blood tests each 6 weeks so if it goes very high I can reduce my HCG dose imediately. I let all know my results
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 25, 2015, 01:45:55 am
Entendido y anotado...
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Bear on June 25, 2015, 12:04:18 pm
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal. 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 25, 2015, 01:25:15 pm
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

No testosterone ??
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 25, 2015, 01:25:41 pm
Entendido y anotado...

Hahahahaha
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 25, 2015, 03:41:12 pm
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

Are you on TRT?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: TopGeek on June 25, 2015, 07:45:58 pm
The majority view among doctors specialising in hypogonadism is that 300IU EoD of HCG is adequate. They also say that you should not exceed a single dose of 500IU, except when being treated for low fertility and then only under the supervision of a fertility specialist.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Bear on June 26, 2015, 01:04:29 am
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

Are you on TRT?
Yup, current protocol is 50 mg twice a week sq and 150 iu of hcg daily.  Just transitioned to this new protocol about a month ago.  I need to get new bloodwork done as I think I need to bump my t cyp up a bit based on how I am feeling. 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 26, 2015, 04:34:40 am
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

Are you on TRT?
Yup, current protocol is 50 mg twice a week sq and 150 iu of hcg daily.  Just transitioned to this new protocol about a month ago.  I need to get new bloodwork done as I think I need to bump my t cyp up a bit based on how I am feeling.

JustAskin raved about daily HCG with HRT.  You might want to check out his protocol.  I'd like to go to this sometime probably but I'm not sure I'd do that much.  I'd just like to keep the furnace fired up a little. 

Actually, though, maybe 150 will be too much?  You can be overaromatizing?  Be interesting to see what your labs and Dr. Crisler say...
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on June 26, 2015, 02:43:37 pm
Factor5a had a question about HCG:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=7587.0
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on June 26, 2015, 04:34:17 pm
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

Are you on TRT?
Yup, current protocol is 50 mg twice a week sq and 150 iu of hcg daily.  Just transitioned to this new protocol about a month ago.  I need to get new bloodwork done as I think I need to bump my t cyp up a bit based on how I am feeling.






No Arimidex ?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Bear on August 12, 2015, 02:05:00 am
new blood work suggested a bump up to 60 mg bi-weekly SQ with a 1/4 mg of arimidex at time of injection.  This is in addition to the 150 IU daily.  I expect new bloodwork any day now to see how this protocol is working.  Will talk to Doc Crisler afterwards to see where we are.  Will advise at that time. 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Bear on August 12, 2015, 02:05:45 am
new blood work suggested a bump up to 60 mg bi-weekly SQ with a 1/4 mg of arimidex at time of injection.  This is in addition to the 150 IU daily.  I expect new bloodwork any day now to see how this protocol is working.  Will talk to Doc Crisler afterwards to see where we are.  Will advise at that time. 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on August 12, 2015, 03:36:30 am
Let us know...
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: euphorixx1 on August 12, 2015, 05:58:38 pm
How are you getting by on 70mgs of T a week?

I use 250 2x a week, never tried 500, but I just might, now.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Cataceous on August 12, 2015, 10:03:45 pm
Another guinea pig here. My current protocol is 24 mg T enanthate eod, 100 IU hCG ed, and 0.1 mg anastrozole eod. I've only been on this a week, but so far, so good. I will report numbers in a few weeks. I switched to enanthate to get sesame oil as carrier; I had some injection site reactions with cypionate, which may have been caused by the cottonseed oil.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on August 12, 2015, 10:07:16 pm
Another guinea pig here. My current protocol is 24 mg T enanthate eod, 100 IU hCG ed, and 0.1 mg anastrozole eod. I've only been on this a week, but so far, so good. I will report numbers in a few weeks. I switched to enanthate to get sesame oil as carrier; I had some injection site reactions with cypionate, which may have been caused by the cottonseed oil.

Is it pretty easy to get enanthate over here?
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Cataceous on August 12, 2015, 10:14:20 pm
Is it pretty easy to get enanthate over here?

Yes, I went that route because Sam's Club pharmacy had it in stock. Insurance price was still only $8, out-of-pocket would had been $65 for the 5 ml bottle (200 mg/ml).
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: factor5a on August 13, 2015, 12:57:39 pm
I have been on 75 mgs weekly of Sustenon, and around 1050 HCG units (weekly also) for two months. Arimidex half tablet a week.

I will have blood tests this coming Saturday. I'll post results.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: PeakT on August 13, 2015, 04:00:42 pm
I have been on 75 mgs weekly of Sustenon, and around 1050 HCG units (weekly also) for two months. Arimidex half tablet a week.

I will have blood tests this coming Saturday. I'll post results.

Sounds good.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: sifter on August 16, 2015, 03:23:28 pm
Crisler has me on 150 iu per day.  If I miss days here and there, no big deal.

Are you on TRT?
Yup, current protocol is 50 mg twice a week sq and 150 iu of hcg daily.  Just transitioned to this new protocol about a month ago.  I need to get new bloodwork done as I think I need to bump my t cyp up a bit based on how I am feeling.

Hi Bear:

I recall Dr. Crisler's previous protocol for TRT patients supplementing with HCG was adding up to 500I.U. per week on top of the TRT regimen.

It sounds like he has modified/relaxed this threshold- are you aware if he is proposing a new weekly maximum with other patients as well?

Anyone aware if he has articulated a new weekly upper limit?

 
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: Sam Duxbury on August 19, 2015, 07:41:37 am
Good Evening!

Well, I shall post my basic total HRT protocol, just to add a different viewpoint:

I have 8 to 10 SottoPelle testosterone pellets and 1 DHEA pellet inserted every six months,

300 IU hCG sub-Q Monday through Friday; cumulative 1,500 IU per week.

.05 mg Letrozole sub-lingual Monday night.

Results are serum T approx 1050 to 1100 ng/dl, E2 about 16 to 20, other numbers mentioned in my
signature block.

This protocol works WONDERFULLY, my companion and I are very happy.

Just my .02....

Cheers! do something FUN this weekend ! - Sam D.
Title: Re: What is the highest dose you have seen of HCG with testosterone?
Post by: SumTingWong on August 19, 2015, 02:28:27 pm
My doctor has some of his patients on 5000IU once a week. I don't really see the point of going so high because it's just going to put their estradiol through the roof, and then they'll need to take anastrozole. When I was on TRT I took 500IU three times a week.

My view is that it's best to start as low as possible, then titrate up if needed.