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Title: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on August 04, 2015, 09:53:57 pm
This is my first attempt at trying to poll users and determine what people are satisfied with. You can answer for any of the types you've tried. You can also change your vote.

It would be nice to have you provide a more detailed response below, with your "satisfaction index", 1 through 10, with 10 being best, for each type of T replacement.

I've tried just about all of the topical prescriptions and failed on them. However, 2 grams of the 3% compounded cream works very well for me. I've also tried enanthate IM injections with very poor results due to reaction to the carrier oil.

For example:

Enanthate = 4 (reaction and breathing problems, plus water retention)
Androgel =5
Fortesta = 8 (but caused a rash)
3% Compounded Cream = 9 (no problems)
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 04, 2015, 11:04:46 pm
Nice cujet!

Dang!  I forgot to submit unsatisfied with pellets - took me out of commission for about a week...

Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: DKC24 on August 05, 2015, 03:25:06 am
I would vote not satisfied with androgel so far but haven't been on it long enough to give it a fair shake. But I seem more tired. ED seems worse and my balls have shrunk some.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on August 05, 2015, 01:15:36 pm
I would vote not satisfied with androgel so far but haven't been on it long enough to give it a fair shake. But I seem more tired. ED seems worse and my balls have shrunk some.

So, would you rate Androgel a 3 out of 10?

I too, failed on androgel. What I think: Any T replacement suppresses natural production. If the T replacement is insufficient, the result may be lower overall T.

I tried 1, then 2 packets of Androgel and (by memory) got my T up to 255 or some such nonsense. I then went to 4 packets of the 1% Androgel. I was simply a slimy mess. T went up some, but by then, absorption problems kicked in and it totally failed. My skin simply became slimy after a shower and would not clean. Doc suggested, probably myxedema and try scrubbing with acetone!!! No thanks.

I switched to Fortesta. 7 pumps! T went up nicely for a while, then, rash all my body. I was having a reaction to Fortesta's other ingredients. Really needed more than 7 pumps to get T up. (normal dose is 2 pumps)

However, 2 grams of 3%, Compounded Cream under arms and on shoulders/groin/scrotum works wonders. No adverse reactions, T levels are stable and high enough to be useful. Yes, I add a splash of water to make it spread more easily. Yes, it's a lot. But it dries quickly enough and causes no problems during the day, even in hot and sweaty South Florida.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on August 05, 2015, 01:17:46 pm
Nice cujet!

Dang!  I forgot to submit unsatisfied with pellets - took me out of commission for about a week...



Of course, you can add a vote and change a vote anytime on this poll.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Hydranted on August 05, 2015, 01:40:50 pm
Cool idea for a thread...

I voted for Cypionate/satisfied.  If I had to put a number on it, I guess I'd rate it a 9/10. 
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sighalot on August 06, 2015, 08:49:08 pm
Dont see any option for nebido?
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: simmer on August 07, 2015, 01:50:44 am
Started on cypionate injections every fortnight, gave me migraines. Switched to Androgel: didn't really work, messy applying it, and have kids so didn't like it, also $30 copay compared to $10 for cypionate. Switched back to cypionate every week (now every 3 days), better but needs more work.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 07, 2015, 04:55:38 am
Dont see any option for nebido?

I took the liberty of adding it for you.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: DKC24 on August 07, 2015, 05:24:58 am

So, would you rate Androgel a 3 out of 10?

I too, failed on androgel. What I think: Any T replacement suppresses natural production. If the T replacement is insufficient, the result may be lower overall T.

I tried 1, then 2 packets of Androgel and (by memory) got my T up to 255 or some such nonsense. I then went to 4 packets of the 1% Androgel. I was simply a slimy mess. T went up some, but by then, absorption problems kicked in and it totally failed. My skin simply became slimy after a shower and would not clean. Doc suggested, probably myxedema and try scrubbing with acetone!!! No thanks.

I switched to Fortesta. 7 pumps! T went up nicely for a while, then, rash all my body. I was having a reaction to Fortesta's other ingredients. Really needed more than 7 pumps to get T up. (normal dose is 2 pumps)

However, 2 grams of 3%, Compounded Cream under arms and on shoulders/groin/scrotum works wonders. No adverse reactions, T levels are stable and high enough to be useful. Yes, I add a splash of water to make it spread more easily. Yes, it's a lot. But it dries quickly enough and causes no problems during the day, even in hot and sweaty South Florida.

I'm not sure if it is fair to rate it a 3/10 yet as tomorrow will just be a week. But really I feel worse on it so far but I am only on one pump. I suspect it is stopping my natural production and one pump isn't even getting me as high as I was without. I'm more tired, have pretty weird brain fog/hazziness.


Based on this poll I need to switch to cypionate shots or maybe try cream. androgel must be overpriced garbage.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 07, 2015, 05:19:51 pm
androgel must be overpriced garbage.

It got better when they went to the 1.62 and some guys really do well on it.  I don't see a lot of them on here to be honest, but some docs like it.  I think older guys will often do well on it and the transmdermals in general due to the boost in DHT.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sighalot on August 07, 2015, 06:19:36 pm
Voted unsatisfied with both nebido and androgel/other brand.

Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on August 11, 2015, 09:20:45 pm
Shameless bump for more response....
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 12, 2015, 03:30:20 pm
Bump...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: DKC24 on August 13, 2015, 04:41:00 am
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Nick on August 13, 2015, 11:58:05 am
hi,

first used Testim. It worked fine for a month. Than a compounded gel. But again levels dropped.
Then I started Nebido. I feel much better, happy, lost some weight, libido and erections are great. (sometimes even annoying).
The first days after injection, I am a bit more aggressive. A week before the new injection I sometimes need more and than I use some compounded gel with it. E levels are under control (between 25-30 mostly). Only thing is I sweat much more than usual.

I hope things will stay like it is now.

gr.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 13, 2015, 04:00:07 pm
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

Well, there is a bit of a bias on here in the sense that we tend to not get as many of the standard just-go-to-a-PCP-and-get-some-Androgel type of guys on here.  Furthermore, you'll see that most of the men on here play around and experiment with the cypionate protocol until they get it to work.  I would guess that a lot of men that go into a PCP try Androgel and often it doesn't work and they think, "TRT sucks!" And then that is the end of it.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: DKC24 on August 13, 2015, 09:17:25 pm
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

Well, there is a bit of a bias on here in the sense that we tend to not get as many of the standard just-go-to-a-PCP-and-get-some-Androgel type of guys on here.  Furthermore, you'll see that most of the men on here play around and experiment with the cypionate protocol until they get it to work.  I would guess that a lot of men that go into a PCP try Androgel and often it doesn't work and they think, "TRT sucks!" And then that is the end of it.


Thats a good point. I looked up a lot of reviews(just using google) before I started androgel and it seemed to get a lot of positive feedback. Sure there were some bad but nothing like here. lol
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 13, 2015, 10:09:59 pm
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

Well, there is a bit of a bias on here in the sense that we tend to not get as many of the standard just-go-to-a-PCP-and-get-some-Androgel type of guys on here.  Furthermore, you'll see that most of the men on here play around and experiment with the cypionate protocol until they get it to work.  I would guess that a lot of men that go into a PCP try Androgel and often it doesn't work and they think, "TRT sucks!" And then that is the end of it.


Thats a good point. I looked up a lot of reviews(just using google) before I started androgel and it seemed to get a lot of positive feedback. Sure there were some bad but nothing like here. lol

I've heard (online) Dr. Crisler saying that he was favorite form of TRT.  It has the advantage (or disadvantage depending on your viewpoint) of really ramping DHT.  Libido is a big issue for many men 40+ and so that is probably helpful for quite a few guys.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: BJE on August 13, 2015, 11:47:48 pm
 Axiron and compounded cream did not work for me. I use cypionate in addition to hCG.
I do frequent SQ injections.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sighalot on August 14, 2015, 02:40:48 am
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.
The result is skewed since not all of us can use it legally, without a special license nebido is the only legal option where i live.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 14, 2015, 04:36:58 am
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.
The result is skewed since not all of us can use it legally, without a special license nebido is the only legal option where i live.

You got a point there.

Hey, quick question for you:  if you get a chance, can you chime in on how you perceive the success rate of Nebido where  you are at?

We had someone say it was basically never successful in one doc's practice.  But we've had a couple of guys that liked it.  What's your take on it?
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sighalot on August 14, 2015, 05:27:19 am

Hey, quick question for you:  if you get a chance, can you chime in on how you perceive the success rate of Nebido where  you are at?
Depends on definition of success, most i talk too do get an improvement but only partial and i see very few with 100% recovery, 2 major issues thou is high estradiol which the health care very rarely treats and T crashing between injections so health care is partly to blame.

Dhea, pregnenolone and progesteron for men is unheard of, seen less then a handful of men having dht and dhea tested in public health care.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 14, 2015, 06:07:56 pm

Hey, quick question for you:  if you get a chance, can you chime in on how you perceive the success rate of Nebido where  you are at?
Depends on definition of success, most i talk too do get an improvement but only partial and i see very few with 100% recovery, 2 major issues thou is high estradiol which the health care very rarely treats and T crashing between injections so health care is partly to blame.

Dhea, pregnenolone and progesteron for men is unheard of, seen less then a handful of men having dht and dhea tested in public health care.

Nicely summarized.  Couldn't have said it better myself...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on August 20, 2015, 03:03:10 pm
Bump...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: SumTingWong on August 20, 2015, 03:10:16 pm
Androgel isn't fairing very well. For those of you that have used it, and were unsatisfied, why was that?
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on August 25, 2015, 07:07:54 am
Androgel isn't fairing very well. For those of you that have used it, and were unsatisfied, why was that?

In my case, Androgel worked for a while, then I was unable to absorb it, even with multiple packets. Levels plummeted right back to where they were before. My skin became quite slimy too. Very weird.

I've changed my T cream to 1.5 grams of 5% compounded cream, and while I've not tested my levels, I feel correct, with all the normal "things" that proper T levels bring. (remember, I mix the cream with a splash of water, for better spreading, otherwise it's like peanut butter)
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Baldur2630 on August 25, 2015, 08:13:49 am
Because my doctors(?) refused to treat my almost zero Free Trstosterone. I treated myself. Cypionate was OK, Enanthate was OK, but as I use T from a UGL, I finally settles on a mix of 200 mg/ml Cypionate and 200mg/ml Enanthate.

The bottle of 10 ml is 400 mg/ml so I only need 0.5 ml per week. It works better for me (because I push very heavy weights) if I inject 0.25 ml on Sun and 0.25 ml on Wed.

I did try dropping the dose, but I'm a big guy, so less than 200 just doesn't cut it.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: cujet on September 23, 2015, 06:42:58 pm
Another shameless bump, hoping for additional results.

Thanks!
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on September 23, 2015, 07:35:11 pm
It's a pro-cypionate, anti-Androgel crowd, eh?
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Cataceous on September 24, 2015, 01:43:31 am
It's a pro-cypionate, anti-Androgel crowd, eh?

Definitely, and ditto; I also stopped absorbing Androgel, but now have good results with subQ enanthate and hCG.

It makes sense that the ones who are happy with Androgel are less likely to end up here.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on September 24, 2015, 05:47:52 am
It's a pro-cypionate, anti-Androgel crowd, eh?

Definitely, and ditto; I also stopped absorbing Androgel, but now have good results with subQ enanthate and hCG.

It makes sense that the ones who are happy with Androgel are less likely to end up here.

Yep...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on October 15, 2015, 12:48:02 pm
Bump...

Trying to get new members to vote.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 05, 2015, 06:56:40 pm
Moderator's bump - want to catch some of the newcomers...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: factor5a on December 05, 2015, 07:21:07 pm
sustenon????
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 05, 2015, 08:36:45 pm
sustenon????

Look above.  It's magic...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: factor5a on December 06, 2015, 08:54:22 pm
Brujo !!!  ;D
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 06, 2015, 09:28:38 pm
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

There are pros and cons to all the options.  I like cypionate myself, but it really depends on your goals and your life style, etc.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: ht on December 07, 2015, 09:04:25 pm
Wish I had a positive note to share!  :P

Cypionate = 4 (injections are not fun, cheap, testicle pain and shrinkage, only felt good 1 day so far in 6 weeks - will continue to week 10 to see if things finally improve)
Androgel = 4 (way too expensive, fairly convenient, felt great for first 2 days then nothing, stayed on for 5 weeks)
Clomid = 5 (easier to administer, cheap, mild headache, great T numbers but e2 slightly high, didn't feel any different, stayed on for 5 weeks)

I'm 6 weeks into a 10 week trial of Cypionate, and I'm hoping for the best, but if I had to pick the best option today I'd go with Clomid again and add an estradiol reducer.  I'm really bummed about the Androxal delay.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 07, 2015, 10:52:40 pm
Wish I had a positive note to share!  :P

Cypionate = 4 (injections are not fun, cheap, testicle pain and shrinkage, only felt good 1 day so far in 6 weeks - will continue to week 10 to see if things finally improve)
Androgel = 4 (way too expensive, fairly convenient, felt great for first 2 days then nothing, stayed on for 5 weeks)
Clomid = 5 (easier to administer, cheap, mild headache, great T numbers but e2 slightly high, didn't feel any different, stayed on for 5 weeks)

I'm 6 weeks into a 10 week trial of Cypionate, and I'm hoping for the best, but if I had to pick the best option today I'd go with Clomid again and add an estradiol reducer.  I'm really bummed about the Androxal delay.

I wouldn't do it if it gave you a headache!
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: ht on December 07, 2015, 11:11:42 pm
Wish I had a positive note to share!  :P

Cypionate = 4 (injections are not fun, cheap, testicle pain and shrinkage, only felt good 1 day so far in 6 weeks - will continue to week 10 to see if things finally improve)
Androgel = 4 (way too expensive, fairly convenient, felt great for first 2 days then nothing, stayed on for 5 weeks)
Clomid = 5 (easier to administer, cheap, mild headache, great T numbers but e2 slightly high, didn't feel any different, stayed on for 5 weeks)

I'm 6 weeks into a 10 week trial of Cypionate, and I'm hoping for the best, but if I had to pick the best option today I'd go with Clomid again and add an estradiol reducer.  I'm really bummed about the Androxal delay.

I wouldn't do it if it gave you a headache!
It was consistent, but just barely noticeable - 1 on a pain scale of 1 to 10.  Almost like the "thick head" feeling when you have a cold.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 07, 2015, 11:48:45 pm
It was consistent, but just barely noticeable - 1 on a pain scale of 1 to 10.  Almost like the "thick head" feeling when you have a cold.

The brain is incredibly finely tuned.  If you're getting any pain, that's a very bad sign imo.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sighalot on December 24, 2015, 10:43:11 pm
Why isnt HCG included in the poll?
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Sam Duxbury on December 25, 2015, 05:31:53 pm
Good Day!

Merry Christmas and a Happy Prosperous New Year to all.

Good poll !!

I put my .02 in as HRT pellets: very satisfied !

It would be a good detail to add any other primary meds supporting the TRT/HRT, and frequency of application.

For myself, I also inject hCG 300 IU sub-q on Mon to Fri, and .05 mg Letrozole on Sunday evening.

Results: I feel great, excellent intimate relationship with my lover (over 7 years now), strong muscular body at age 63. T level stable
at approx 1,100.

Life is good !!

Enjoy the day with your lover and family. Cheers ! Sam D.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on December 26, 2015, 01:47:02 am
Why isnt HCG included in the poll?

Now look
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Joe Sixpack on January 03, 2016, 03:08:51 am
I will chime in here.  I voted that I was unsatisfied user of cypionate.  I used it for 10 months and gave up on it.  I had total T levels at 800-1000, but I never did get the energy boost that many guys get.  I also experienced some distressing out of breath issues.  On the upside I did get noticeably physically stronger.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on January 19, 2016, 05:26:59 pm
Bump...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: SumTingWong on January 19, 2016, 07:30:43 pm
Quote
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

Are the results distorted because a lot of doctors won't offer their patients Clomid and HCG?

I think Sustanon is not widely available in the US(?), so you're going to get a smaller number of votes for that, even if it were the better drug (hypothetically).

It's interesting to see what people are taking, but I don't see that you can correlate that with meaning that the most popular is the "best" one to use.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on January 19, 2016, 07:49:11 pm
Quote
wow looks like cypionate injections are by far the way to go.

Are the results distorted because a lot of doctors won't offer their patients Clomid and HCG?

I think Sustanon is not widely available in the US(?), so you're going to get a smaller number of votes for that, even if it were the better drug (hypothetically).

It's interesting to see what people are taking, but I don't see that you can correlate that with meaning that the most popular is the "best" one to use.

Sure on the clomid and hcg.

Enanthate is very popular overseas from what I can tell.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on March 12, 2016, 02:09:44 pm
Bump.  Please vote if you haven't.
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: Kronenburg on March 12, 2016, 03:51:36 pm
Would the guys who chose clomid as their preferred option share why? Would love to hear some positive reviews of that drug
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on March 12, 2016, 05:46:54 pm
Would the guys who chose clomid as their preferred option share why? Would love to hear some positive reviews of that drug

You should create a new thread for that.  Some of the clomid guys might miss it in here
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on March 15, 2016, 04:20:05 am
Bump...
Title: Re: POLL: Testosterone Replacement Satisfaction
Post by: PeakT on April 13, 2016, 05:43:48 pm
Bump...