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General Category => Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health => Topic started by: Peyt on November 04, 2015, 12:57:33 pm

Title: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Peyt on November 04, 2015, 12:57:33 pm
Hi Guys,
Is there a place where I could read about the advantages and disadvantages of Bio-identical vs. Synthetic creams?
I have been on DHEA/T bio-identical cream for just a little over a month and feel no difference. The good news is there is
almost no side effects either that I can see/feel. But I am trying to figure out if this stuff works or not and how effective it is.
My Dr. wants me to re-test myself in 6 months (5 more months to go) but I don't really want to wait that long! Does the Bio-identical work super slow?
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Osprey on November 04, 2015, 01:50:08 pm
All testosterone is bio-identical.

The term bio-identical comes from women's HRT where some of the estrogens used by main stream medicine are not of the type found in the human body.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 04, 2015, 03:24:25 pm
Hi Guys,
Is there a place where I could read about the advantages and disadvantages of Bio-identical vs. Synthetic creams?
I have been on DHEA/T bio-identical cream for just a little over a month and feel no difference. The good news is there is
almost no side effects either that I can see/feel. But I am trying to figure out if this stuff works or not and how effective it is.
My Dr. wants me to re-test myself in 6 months (5 more months to go) but I don't really want to wait that long! Does the Bio-identical work super slow?

Yeah, there really aren't any of the synthetic testosterones around any more that I know of except in the steroid community.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Peyt on November 04, 2015, 08:50:04 pm
Thanks guys for your comments , so I guess my next question would be is there a
Difference in quality of bio-identical hormones? I mean the stuff I got was made in a
Compounding pharmacy and has the stuff in a tube where as I remember I had a roommate a few years ago who used T and his looked like a deodorant and he used insurance to get his , mine I paid cash and they send me supply for 6 months, I want the best quality and don't mind paying for it,
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 04, 2015, 09:06:10 pm
Thanks guys for your comments , so I guess my next question would be is there a
Difference in quality of bio-identical hormones? I mean the stuff I got was made in a
Compounding pharmacy and has the stuff in a tube where as I remember I had a roommate a few years ago who used T and his looked like a deodorant and he used insurance to get his , mine I paid cash and they send me supply for 6 months, I want the best quality and don't mind paying for it,

Well, if you get a good compounded cream, it will push your testosterone to wherever you and your doc want to go.  So the issue is not efficacy and I would argue that quite often the brand name T topicals don't raise testosterone much if at all.   We see guys on here all the time with that issue.

Now, as far as long-term safety from the absorption and preservatvie ingredients, I don't think anyone knows the answer to that on either side of the house.  I've never seen an article on the subject.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 04, 2015, 09:59:19 pm
Great tip from Osprey who suggested asking for Topi-Click dispensers with your topical hormones from compounders.  I split it out here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=8452.msg73545#msg73545
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: kcrunner on November 05, 2015, 02:10:33 am

Yeah, there really aren't any of the synthetic testosterones around any more that I know of except in the steroid community.

What would something like Deca be considered then since it is legally prescribed for renal insufficiency?
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Hydranted on November 05, 2015, 02:30:03 am

Yeah, there really aren't any of the synthetic testosterones around any more that I know of except in the steroid community.

What would something like Deca be considered then since it is legally prescribed for renal insufficiency?

Deca Durabolin is a compound called Nandrolone.  It is attached to the decanoate ester.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Peyt on November 05, 2015, 07:40:46 am
Thanks guys,
How about the area of application?
My Doc said to apply to the perineal area, which I have been doing, but I wonder if some of the cream gets absorbed into  my clothing.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 05, 2015, 04:30:59 pm

Yeah, there really aren't any of the synthetic testosterones around any more that I know of except in the steroid community.

What would something like Deca be considered then since it is legally prescribed for renal insufficiency?

I didn't know it was!  Interesting.  Yeah, I know it has some other favorable properties as well - it's one of the more interesting steroids.  Can't remember, though, as I don't stay up on that.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 05, 2015, 04:32:48 pm

Deca Durabolin is a compound called Nandrolone.  It is attached to the decanoate ester.

True, but I'm pretty sure the testosterone side of the house is altered as well.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Hydranted on November 05, 2015, 09:47:14 pm

Deca Durabolin is a compound called Nandrolone.  It is attached to the decanoate ester.

True, but I'm pretty sure the testosterone side of the house is altered as well.


What do you mean by that?  Not sure I'm following ya.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: PeakT on November 06, 2015, 01:27:16 am

Deca Durabolin is a compound called Nandrolone.  It is attached to the decanoate ester.

True, but I'm pretty sure the testosterone side of the house is altered as well.




What do you mean by that?  Not sure I'm following ya.

https://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php

"Deca Durabolin is officially classified as a 19-nortestosterone (19-nor) anabolic androgenic steroid. The 19-nor classification refers to its direct structural nature, which is the testosterone hormone lacking a carbon atom at the 19th position."

In other words, it's not just bioidentical testosterone bound to an ester.
Title: Re: Bio-identical vs. Synthetic Testosterone Creams?
Post by: Hydranted on November 06, 2015, 02:35:13 am
Ah ok, I see what you were getting at now.

I should have been more clear about Nandrolone rather than offering such an abbreviated definition of it.  Although it is structurally similar to testosterone, that simple deletion of the carbon atom makes it very different...and it certainly wouldn't be considered bio identical.

I didn't mean to imply that it is bio identical testosterone bound to an ester.  It's an entirely different compound (Nandrolone) which is bound to the decanoate ester.