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Title: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 29, 2015, 12:39:43 pm
Hey,

I've developed chronic gastritis due to overconsume on dairy a few years ago. I was drinking 2 litres of cow milk per day and that have lasted at least for 3 months and than I felt slightly nauseaous during the day & night. Scoped and diagnosed as chronic gastritis with low level inflammation.

After that, I was on strict paleo diet for 6 months and it healed me perfectly. No more stomach problems.

Well, got viral infection 9 months ago and felt constant nausea for months. Scoped and saw that chronic gastritis is still there, not cured. I still don't feel good enough. Raw fruits & veggies, tea, high-fat foods cause harsh nausea for me. Also got some anxiety problems. I don't know its source exactly, but it came with constant nausea.

I'm just wondering that you guys thoughts about best nutrition plan for human and your meal plans.

Please let me know.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: explorer on November 29, 2015, 02:35:50 pm
Were you using UHT milk or pasteurized milk? Let me know if you don't know the difference.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: croaker24 on November 29, 2015, 03:38:37 pm
H. pylori?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 29, 2015, 04:09:41 pm
Were you using UHT milk or pasteurized milk? Let me know if you don't know the difference.

Pasteurized milk, not UHT. I know the difference between those things of course.

H. pylori?

Had blood and gaita tests and biopsy for HP infection. So I have triple confirm. All tests were negative.

By the way, 2 years ago my gastritis flared up and I've met my GI specialist for gaita/HP infection. The test was negative but I took antiobios/PPI for HP infection notwithstanding. After that 2 weeks of antibio+ppi course, I was feeling very good. Maybe I had an another infection, IDK:
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 29, 2015, 04:56:27 pm
My view is that milk is a good food, maybe going to 2 glasses or something could have helped.

I think I have developed lactose or cow milk type A2 casein intolerance due to overconsume on milk. I can't properly digest unfortunately. This is why I prefer milk kefir and a few bites goat cheese.

By the way, I can drink COKE and eat pickles without any prob, lol. It's weird thing. I can't still tolerate most of fruits though.

When my mind is pretty relax about to eat, I have no nausea after eating most times. Anxiety and constant thoughts about food/nausea are my main trouble it seems. Nausea feeling is like my shadow. Its idea, or its own. Always with me.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: electrify on November 29, 2015, 05:04:13 pm
you ever get your adrenals tested for the nausea?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 29, 2015, 06:05:14 pm
you ever get your adrenals tested for the nausea?

Got tests of total/free test, e2, lh fsh, prolactin, tsh, ultrasound for pancreas, liver etc. and even HIV/AIDS tests and they are troublefree. Shot test/deca after those tests tho. My total test was around 550 before that cycle btw.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on November 29, 2015, 08:55:26 pm
Hey,

I've developed chronic gastritis due to overconsume on dairy a few years ago. I was drinking 2 litres of cow milk per day and that have lasted at least for 3 months and than I felt slightly nauseaous during the day & night. Scoped and diagnosed as chronic gastritis with low level inflammation.

After that, I was on strict paleo diet for 6 months and it healed me perfectly. No more stomach problems.

Well, got viral infection 9 months ago and felt constant nausea for months. Scoped and saw that chronic gastritis is still there, not cured. I still don't feel good enough. Raw fruits & veggies, tea, high-fat foods cause harsh nausea for me. Also got some anxiety problems. I don't know its source exactly, but it came with constant nausea.

I'm just wondering that you guys thoughts about best nutrition plan for human and your meal plans.

Please let me know.


Yes, I see 2 bad habbits
1 dairy
2 paelo diet

1.
Death by Calcium -- Proof of the Toxic Effects of Dairy and Calcium Supplements- Tom Levy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwi9iZvudXA
this video will change your  view on dairy

or get the book
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Calcium-New-First-Edition/dp/0615889603
In this book, Death by Calcium, board-certified cardiologist, Thomas E. Levy, offers scientific proof that the regular intake of dairy and calcium supplementation promotes all known chronic degenerative diseases and significantly shortens life. Written for both the layperson and scientist, Dr. Levy explains the dangers inherent in supplementing with calcium. "It is now clear that excess dietary calcium, as is realized with the routine ingestion of milk and other calcium-laden dairy foods, is also a toxic and potentially life-shortening practice."


I was suprised also
calcium means great bones./strong teeth, right?
no.
you need vit K for that to tell calcium where to go
"how do they find breast cancer?
they look for calicifications!

2
palo diet?

is that mostly meat?
so lots of HCAs? 
lots of fat?

your body needs the nutrition from veggies
like
vit C
Vit K
Magnessium

Collagen is the most abundant protein in the human body and is the substance that holds the whole body together. It is found in the bones, muscles, skin and tendons, where it forms a scaffold to provide strength and structure
to make collagen, you need vit C
no vit C and your body will use LPA
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/lipoprotein_-a-.html
Plaque formation is an essential response to vascular injury. When a blood vessel has been damaged, repair is paramount. If benign materials are available, as vitamin C, to protect the vessel from injury and to participate in vascular repair, the need for Lp(a) is moot. Without adequate amounts of vitamin C, Lp(a) becomes indispensable.

so eat veggies, eat fruit get 5-10+grams of vit C a day
eat low fat
avoid dairy

you'll get better
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 30, 2015, 09:49:17 am
Hey,

I've developed chronic gastritis due to overconsume on dairy a few years ago. I was drinking 2 litres of cow milk per day and that have lasted at least for 3 months and than I felt slightly nauseaous during the day & night. Scoped and diagnosed as chronic gastritis with low level inflammation.

After that, I was on strict paleo diet for 6 months and it healed me perfectly. No more stomach problems.

Well, got viral infection 9 months ago and felt constant nausea for months. Scoped and saw that chronic gastritis is still there, not cured. I still don't feel good enough. Raw fruits & veggies, tea, high-fat foods cause harsh nausea for me. Also got some anxiety problems. I don't know its source exactly, but it came with constant nausea.

I'm just wondering that you guys thoughts about best nutrition plan for human and your meal plans.

Please let me know.


Yes, I see 2 bad habbits
1 dairy
2 paelo diet

1.
Death by Calcium -- Proof of the Toxic Effects of Dairy and Calcium Supplements- Tom Levy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwi9iZvudXA
this video will change your  view on dairy

or get the book
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Calcium-New-First-Edition/dp/0615889603
In this book, Death by Calcium, board-certified cardiologist, Thomas E. Levy, offers scientific proof that the regular intake of dairy and calcium supplementation promotes all known chronic degenerative diseases and significantly shortens life. Written for both the layperson and scientist, Dr. Levy explains the dangers inherent in supplementing with calcium. "It is now clear that excess dietary calcium, as is realized with the routine ingestion of milk and other calcium-laden dairy foods, is also a toxic and potentially life-shortening practice."


I was suprised also
calcium means great bones./strong teeth, right?
no.
you need vit K for that to tell calcium where to go
"how do they find breast cancer?
they look for calicifications!

2
palo diet?

is that mostly meat?
so lots of HCAs? 
lots of fat?

your body needs the nutrition from veggies
like
vit C
Vit K
Magnessium

Collagen is the most abundant protein in the human body and is the substance that holds the whole body together. It is found in the bones, muscles, skin and tendons, where it forms a scaffold to provide strength and structure
to make collagen, you need vit C
no vit C and your body will use LPA
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/lipoprotein_-a-.html
Plaque formation is an essential response to vascular injury. When a blood vessel has been damaged, repair is paramount. If benign materials are available, as vitamin C, to protect the vessel from injury and to participate in vascular repair, the need for Lp(a) is moot. Without adequate amounts of vitamin C, Lp(a) becomes indispensable.

so eat veggies, eat fruit get 5-10+grams of vit C a day
eat low fat
avoid dairy

you'll get better

Wow, thank you for your detailed post.

I'm pretty sure dairy can cause chronic diseases as you mentioned.

So all types of wholegrains/wholefoods (including wholewheat bread) with no added fat, legumes & beans (I'm huge fan of them with bulgur/brown rice) pickles/sauerkraut specially on winter times, all types of veggies, specially berries and pomegranates as fruits for their antioxidant potent, some eggs (but mostly egg whites), a real peanut butter, maybe a few bites of goat cheese (that'll be my only dairy), and occasionally nuts/seeds.

What do you think about this plan?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: PeakT on November 30, 2015, 04:25:06 pm

Wow, thank you for your detailed post.

I'm pretty sure dairy can cause chronic diseases as you mentioned.

So all types of wholegrains/wholefoods (including wholewheat bread) with no added fat, legumes & beans (I'm huge fan of them with bulgur/brown rice) pickles/sauerkraut specially on winter times, all types of veggies, specially berries and pomegranates as fruits for their antioxidant potent, some eggs (but mostly egg whites), a real peanut butter, maybe a few bites of goat cheese (that'll be my only dairy), and occasionally nuts/seeds.

What do you think about this plan?

Many of the healthiest and longest-lived cultures on planet earth eat beans and legumes, so those are great.  The key is to not eat too much or you can irritate the gut.  Find your "sweet spot." 

Brown rice is great and boosts nitric oxide.  However, there is an issue for those of us in the U.S.:  it can have too much arsenic.  So it probably shouldn't be a staple, but you'll have to decide for yourself of course.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on November 30, 2015, 04:27:06 pm

Wow, thank you for your detailed post.

I'm pretty sure dairy can cause chronic diseases as you mentioned.

So all types of wholegrains/wholefoods (including wholewheat bread) with no added fat, legumes & beans (I'm huge fan of them with bulgur/brown rice) pickles/sauerkraut specially on winter times, all types of veggies, specially berries and pomegranates as fruits for their antioxidant potent, some eggs (but mostly egg whites), a real peanut butter, maybe a few bites of goat cheese (that'll be my only dairy), and occasionally nuts/seeds.

What do you think about this plan?

I'd  skip whole grain whatever
focus on veggies/fruit eggwhites(high in lysine/proline to bind to LPA)
as talked about here
The Nobel prize winning answer turned out to be Lysine (and Proline) Binding Sites (LBS for short).  The Lp(a) or "cholesterol" binding sites are amino acid residues of collagen protein that becomes exposed when blood vessels "crack" and expose these LBS to the blood, which then attracts the Lp(a) molecules.  The result of Lp(a) binding is to create the atherosclerotic plaque.
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/lipoprotein_-a-.html



                                       
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on November 30, 2015, 05:46:01 pm


Many of the healthiest and longest-lived cultures on planet earth eat beans and legumes, so those are great.  The key is to not eat too much or you can irritate the gut.  Find your "sweet spot." 

Brown rice is great and boosts nitric oxide.  However, there is an issue for those of us in the U.S.:  it can have too much arsenic.  So it probably shouldn't be a staple, but you'll have to decide for yourself of course.
I agree that beans/legumes can be healthy
but what cultures are you thinking of? and are you trying to say, in a very passive/roundabout way?, that beans/legumes are the reason these "MYSTERIOUS" cultures were long lived?
or was it because  of something else?
low bodyfat/bmi etc?


I do like my peas
 unique phytonutrients in green peas also provide us with key antioxidant and anti-inflammatory benefits. Included in these phytonutrients are some recently-discovered green pea phytonutrients called saponins. Due to their almost exclusive appearance in peas, these phytonutrients actually contain the scientific word for peas (Pisum) in their names: pisumsaponins I and II, and pisomosides A and B. When coupled with other phytonutrients in green peas—including phenolic acids like ferulic and caffeic acid, and flavanols like catechin and epicatechin—the combined impact on our health may be far-reaching. For example, some researchers have now speculated that the association between green pea and legume intake and lowered risk of type 2 diabetes may be connected not only with the relatively low glycemic index of green peas (about 45-50) and their strong fiber and protein content, but also with this unusual combination of antioxidant and anti-inflammatory phytonutrients.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=55

Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 30, 2015, 05:48:19 pm

Wow, thank you for your detailed post.

I'm pretty sure dairy can cause chronic diseases as you mentioned.

So all types of wholegrains/wholefoods (including wholewheat bread) with no added fat, legumes & beans (I'm huge fan of them with bulgur/brown rice) pickles/sauerkraut specially on winter times, all types of veggies, specially berries and pomegranates as fruits for their antioxidant potent, some eggs (but mostly egg whites), a real peanut butter, maybe a few bites of goat cheese (that'll be my only dairy), and occasionally nuts/seeds.

What do you think about this plan?

Many of the healthiest and longest-lived cultures on planet earth eat beans and legumes, so those are great.  The key is to not eat too much or you can irritate the gut.  Find your "sweet spot." 

Brown rice is great and boosts nitric oxide.  However, there is an issue for those of us in the U.S.:  it can have too much arsenic.  So it probably shouldn't be a staple, but you'll have to decide for yourself of course.

Yup, I saw a study about correlation between legumes and longevity on ergo-log a few weeks ago. Here's the study,

http://www.ergo-log.com/eatmorebeans.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15228991

I eat legumes with brown rice every day for a year by the way.

Thank you for your answer.

Any other recommendation for me?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: PeakT on November 30, 2015, 06:12:59 pm

Wow, thank you for your detailed post.

I'm pretty sure dairy can cause chronic diseases as you mentioned.

So all types of wholegrains/wholefoods (including wholewheat bread) with no added fat, legumes & beans (I'm huge fan of them with bulgur/brown rice) pickles/sauerkraut specially on winter times, all types of veggies, specially berries and pomegranates as fruits for their antioxidant potent, some eggs (but mostly egg whites), a real peanut butter, maybe a few bites of goat cheese (that'll be my only dairy), and occasionally nuts/seeds.

What do you think about this plan?

Many of the healthiest and longest-lived cultures on planet earth eat beans and legumes, so those are great.  The key is to not eat too much or you can irritate the gut.  Find your "sweet spot." 

Brown rice is great and boosts nitric oxide.  However, there is an issue for those of us in the U.S.:  it can have too much arsenic.  So it probably shouldn't be a staple, but you'll have to decide for yourself of course.

Yup, I saw a study about correlation between legumes and longevity on ergo-log a few weeks ago. Here's the study,

http://www.ergo-log.com/eatmorebeans.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15228991

I eat legumes with brown rice every day for a year by the way.

Thank you for your answer.

Any other recommendation for me?

Sure, lots of fruits and vegetables:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/fruit_vegetables_benefits

Lots of studies in the above.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on November 30, 2015, 06:33:40 pm


Any other recommendation for me?

yes, lean out, 10-15% bodyfat
start using fasting in your daily life. ie,  dont east constantly/snacking, even if you are 10-15% Bf, eat with   8-12 hours between calorie intake
get more vit C

 measures of lipoprotein particles involved in atherosclerosis, which is the main underlying cause of CVD, have been found to be very useful to assess risk.

http://www.docsopinion.com/health-and-nutrition/lipids/lipoprotein-a/
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on November 30, 2015, 08:25:12 pm
To be honest, I just like to seem big and eating. I can eat 1 kg of cherries/mulberries in one sitting. I'd eat only high nutritional foods but high amounts of them. Wholegrains are my best options for increasing my daily kcal intake. This is why I prefer them.

I know that cooked veggies are easier/safer on stomach and primatologist Richard Wrangham wrote about that fact in his book Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human. So I prefer my veggies as cooked, except some salad stuff (lettuce, arugula, dill etc.)

About fruits, I have always concern about them. Fructose consumption may affect triglyceride and cholesterol levels. But berries (in summer times) and pomegrenate (in winter season) are my cancer-fighter superfoods of course. Tastes are a lot better than veggies but I have to prefer veggies over fruits in terms of nutritional value.

By the way, I'm 187 cms, 85 kgs and %12 bf around at the moment.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: PeakT on December 01, 2015, 01:46:43 am
To be honest, I just like to seem big and eating. I can eat 1 kg of cherries/mulberries in one sitting. I'd eat only high nutritional foods but high amounts of them. Wholegrains are my best options for increasing my daily kcal intake. This is why I prefer them.

I know that cooked veggies are easier/safer on stomach and primatologist Richard Wrangham wrote about that fact in his book Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human. So I prefer my veggies as cooked, except some salad stuff (lettuce, arugula, dill etc.)

About fruits, I have always concern about them. Fructose consumption may affect triglyceride and cholesterol levels. But berries (in summer times) and pomegrenate (in winter season) are my cancer-fighter superfoods of course. Tastes are a lot better than veggies but I have to prefer veggies over fruits in terms of nutritional value.

By the way, I'm 187 cms, 85 kgs and %12 bf around at the moment.

Some experts say to limit your fructose to between 25-50 grams per day.  That's still a decent amount of fruit though.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on December 01, 2015, 06:40:02 am


I know that cooked veggies are easier/safer on stomach and primatologist Richard Wrangham wrote about that fact in his book Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human. So I prefer my veggies as cooked, except some salad stuff (lettuce, arugula, dill etc.)


nah, dont buy it
I've eaten raw fruit/veggies for years, never had any problems, So what do you by "safer"
i'm about to sit down to a big salad made up of spinach, beets, carrots,onions, some fruit, lettuce, and my stomach has never complained,
when I eat good cooked processed foods,  high in fat, then it complains, as does the rest of me

raw fruit/veggie unsafe?
Sorry, dont buy it
 :P
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 01, 2015, 07:08:09 am


I know that cooked veggies are easier/safer on stomach and primatologist Richard Wrangham wrote about that fact in his book Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human. So I prefer my veggies as cooked, except some salad stuff (lettuce, arugula, dill etc.)


nah, dont buy it
I've eaten raw fruit/veggies for years, never had any problems, So what do you by "safer"
i'm about to sit down to a big salad made up of spinach, beets, carrots,onions, some fruit, lettuce, and my stomach has never complained,
when I eat good cooked processed foods,  high in fat, then it complains, as does the rest of me

raw fruit/veggie unsafe?
Sorry, dont buy it
 :P

My stomach is pretty sensitive nowadays. And you know that raw onions, tomatoes, most of raw fruits & veggies may irritate stomach when stomach is already sensitive and should be avoided by gastritis sufferers. But of course, these foods don't cause chronic gastritis at all.

I've eaten heavy processed foods with no veggs, no fruits and overconsume on dairy as I said before FOR YEARS.

I'm on low-fat/pescatarian camp (I only eat fish but occasionally) now. Hoping that this "perf plan" will heal me. It takes some time tho.

I really thank you for your advices.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on December 01, 2015, 07:54:44 am

My stomach is pretty sensitive nowadays. And you know that raw onions, tomatoes, most of raw fruits & veggies may irritate stomach when stomach is already sensitive and should be avoided by gastritis sufferers. But of course, these foods don't cause chronic gastritis at all.

I've eaten heavy processed foods with no veggs, no fruits and overconsume on dairy as I said before FOR YEARS.

I'm on low-fat/pescatarian camp (I only eat fish but occasionally) now. Hoping that this "perf plan" will heal me. It takes some time tho.

I really thank you for your advices.

Oh, I was hoping youd share some of the  "unsafe" things that happen to my stomach from eating raw fruit/veggies from Wrangham  book?

I agree, if your stomach is already upset, dont eat stuff that's going to make it worse, (dairy, stufff you mention)
but  that wasnt what was said at the start, was it?
eh?

I agree, get on boardwith the low fat camp

Dr mcdougal explains and shows graphs, that high fat diet leads to cancer/issues...what I don't know is, is it eating fat (likely) or being fat

You gotta remember, being obese is going to increase your estrogen in your body(via fat cells, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11511861 ) and estrogen causes problems, like cancer and even the FDA  says estrogen is a carcinogen,,,http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationaboutcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens     see,  unlike cancer caused by free radicals, which cause DNA damage, but can we neutralized by antioxidants estrogen grabs the building blocks of DNA, (ATGC, ) and pulls it out, ie DNA depurination....so oo much estrogen is bad,,,which is why fat people get more cancer (high estrogen)  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422115/
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 01, 2015, 08:51:03 am
Nop, Wrangham just says that cooking had profound evolutionary effect because it increased food efficiency which allowed human ancestors to spend less time foraging, chewing, and digesting and Homo erectus developed a smaller, more efficient digestive tract which freed up energy to enable larger brain growth. I just mentioned the importance of cooking practice in human history and cooking veggies is better for me while I'm suffering from stomach problems.

Heavy on processed foods/dairy and NO VEGG/NO FRUIT really destroyed my stomach. I will try to heal it with low-fat diet and I'll keep my bodyfat around %10-15. Hoping that everything gonna be ok soon for me.

Thanks you all for great advices, specially fathomer and PeakT.


My stomach is pretty sensitive nowadays. And you know that raw onions, tomatoes, most of raw fruits & veggies may irritate stomach when stomach is already sensitive and should be avoided by gastritis sufferers. But of course, these foods don't cause chronic gastritis at all.

I've eaten heavy processed foods with no veggs, no fruits and overconsume on dairy as I said before FOR YEARS.

I'm on low-fat/pescatarian camp (I only eat fish but occasionally) now. Hoping that this "perf plan" will heal me. It takes some time tho.

I really thank you for your advices.

Oh, I was hoping youd share some of the  "unsafe" things that happen to my stomach from eating raw fruit/veggies from Wrangham  book?

I agree, if your stomach is already upset, dont eat stuff that's going to make it worse, (dairy, stufff you mention)
but  that wasnt what was said at the start, was it?
eh?

I agree, get on boardwith the low fat camp

Dr mcdougal explains and shows graphs, that high fat diet leads to cancer/issues...what I don't know is, is it eating fat (likely) or being fat

You gotta remember, being obese is going to increase your estrogen in your body(via fat cells, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11511861 ) and estrogen causes problems, like cancer and even the FDA  says estrogen is a carcinogen,,,http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/generalinformationaboutcarcinogens/known-and-probable-human-carcinogens     see,  unlike cancer caused by free radicals, which cause DNA damage, but can we neutralized by antioxidants estrogen grabs the building blocks of DNA, (ATGC, ) and pulls it out, ie DNA depurination....so oo much estrogen is bad,,,which is why fat people get more cancer (high estrogen)  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422115/
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 01, 2015, 07:06:52 pm
Got one more question.

Which one is better for overall health, brown rice vs. white "basmati" rice? Brown rice has a lot better than basmati rice in terms of nutritional value but it has arsenic and overconsuming could be a problem. I know the fact almost every people in Asia eat white jasmine/basmati rice even in their breakfast. I eat rice/beans meal daily so it's important question for me. Which one is safer and why?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: explorer on December 01, 2015, 07:18:16 pm
The lack of some nutrients in white rice doesn't matter if you get them from other parts of the diet.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: croaker24 on December 01, 2015, 11:28:13 pm
Got one more question.

Which one is better for overall health, brown rice vs. white "basmati" rice? Brown rice has a lot better than basmati rice in terms of nutritional value but it has arsenic and overconsuming could be a problem. I know the fact almost every people in Asia eat white jasmine/basmati rice even in their breakfast. I eat rice/beans meal daily so it's important question for me. Which one is safer and why?

Why not skip the rice and eat something like quinoa?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 02, 2015, 08:10:02 am
Thanks for recommendation. Never ate of it, that food is a bit strange for my culture - Bulgur and rice are our staple carb sources. I live in Turkey. I'll definitely try!

Also you guys recommend me low fat diet for general health in this topic but %35 and maybe lil bit higher fat intake can elevate test levels as I read in another articles of this board. Confused a bit.

Got one more question.

Which one is better for overall health, brown rice vs. white "basmati" rice? Brown rice has a lot better than basmati rice in terms of nutritional value but it has arsenic and overconsuming could be a problem. I know the fact almost every people in Asia eat white jasmine/basmati rice even in their breakfast. I eat rice/beans meal daily so it's important question for me. Which one is safer and why?

Why not skip the rice and eat something like quinoa?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: PeakT on December 02, 2015, 03:57:11 pm
Thanks for recommendation. Never ate of it, that food is a bit strange for my culture - Bulgur and rice are our staple carb sources. I live in Turkey. I'll definitely try!

Also you guys recommend me low fat diet for general health in this topic but %35 and maybe lil bit higher fat intake can elevate test levels as I read in another articles of this board. Confused a bit.

Got one more question.

Which one is better for overall health, brown rice vs. white "basmati" rice? Brown rice has a lot better than basmati rice in terms of nutritional value but it has arsenic and overconsuming could be a problem. I know the fact almost every people in Asia eat white jasmine/basmati rice even in their breakfast. I eat rice/beans meal daily so it's important question for me. Which one is safer and why?

Why not skip the rice and eat something like quinoa?

The research shows that a low fat diet has minimal impact on testosterone and halves your estradiol.  And, if you were consuming quite a bit of fat before (esp. saturated), you will likely get a nice boost in nitric oxide and endothelial function as well. 

If you do try a low fat diet, it's very important to go low glycemic.  Most guys who try low fat consume a bunch of wheat and white rice and dried fruit and call that low fat.  (Dried fruit is pretty good, but it's too easy to eat a ton of it and some guys don't do well with that much fructose.)

Here is some information:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/low_fat_testosterone
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 02, 2015, 04:13:48 pm
That GI fact is not important imo. So does anyone eat only white rice, only wheat or something? We always mixed up all stuff except grazing on dried fruits as you mentioned. I have never snack. If we eat complete meals such as white rice (lower GI rice such as basmati) and beans/legume and maybe some spinach/broccoli or something, so GI is not important anymore. Fiber intake trivializes it.

Or do I miss anything?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: croaker24 on December 02, 2015, 05:05:18 pm
That GI fact is not important imo. So does anyone eat only white rice, only wheat or something? We always mixed up all stuff except grazing on dried fruits as you mentioned. I have never snack. If we eat complete meals such as white rice (lower GI rice such as basmati) and beans/legume and maybe some spinach/broccoli or something, so GI is not important anymore. Fiber intake trivializes it.

Or do I miss anything?

First - I'm not a fan of a reductionist approach to diets, e.g. - low-fat or low-carb.  I don't believe in diets per se - Paleo/Vegan, etc.  They are all dogmatic approaches that ignores a lot of how humans evolved.    Take two different people on the same diet and they could have different outcomes based on their genetics, microbiome, and lifestyle.     

I do believe in a plant-based diet as a base, then your preferred protein, then you have to find what fat % works well for you.    So for me:

a) I try for 10-12 veggies/fruits daily, raw/cooked.   Greens of all kind is most important. 
b) I eat seeds/nuts of all kinds daily.
c) I eat fish/seafood 3 or 4 times a week.
d) I eat a local organic whole fat yogurt daily plus eggs a few times a week, and small amounts of a local goat cheese on my lunch salad.
e) I eat quinoa/buckwheat for my grains daily,  I do not eat rice or wheat.
f) I eat a variety of beans daily - black, garbanzo, white, and pinto.   I do soak them overnight.
g) For treats - I eat small amounts of 88% dark chocolate daily (I checked on consumerlab.org for the safest dark chocolate bar).
h) I drink water 90% of the time, glass of green tea most days, coffee only a few times a week.   I do not drink milk.

This is just how I evolved.   I'm more about eating clean, and a wide diversity of foods to get my nutrients in a holistic way as opposed to using supplements. 
My fat % is about 30-35%.    I do have a genetic marker that basically encourages a moderate fat diet as being best for me.   
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on December 02, 2015, 07:24:12 pm

My fat % is about 30-35%.    I do have a genetic marker that basically encourages a moderate fat diet as being best for me.

how did you figure this out?
what is your genetic marker called?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: croaker24 on December 02, 2015, 10:56:26 pm

My fat % is about 30-35%.    I do have a genetic marker that basically encourages a moderate fat diet as being best for me.

how did you figure this out?
what is your genetic marker called?

A previous doctor (NP type) tested for it specifically to assess my risk of Alzheimer's.    It's APoE (I'm E2/E3) --

( http://www.clevelandheartlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ApoE-Practitioner-One-Pager-CHL-D023b.pdf (http://www.clevelandheartlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ApoE-Practitioner-One-Pager-CHL-D023b.pdf) )

This is just one of many markers that may impact how you react to certain diets or even certain foods, and which explains the main reason why
I just hate  advocation of any way of eating.    I only state how I eat - and I would not recommend that to everyone, outside of eating clean and
making veggies/fruits first priority.     As always, genetic markers should be considered probabilistic and not deterministic.


Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on December 03, 2015, 06:38:35 am


A previous doctor (NP type) tested for it specifically to assess my risk of Alzheimer's.    It's APoE (I'm E2/E3) --


This is just one of many markers that may impact how you react to certain diets or even certain foods, and which explains the main reason why
I just hate  advocation of any way of eating.    I only state how I eat - and I would not recommend that to everyone, outside of eating clean and
making veggies/fruits first priority.     As always, genetic markers should be considered probabilistic and not deterministic.

how do you define "best"?
feel the best?
risk of some disease?

I hate eating a low fat diet, *shrug* but it has some many perks to it.  so although I feel like  I want bucket of Red robin fries and pizza with everything topped with ice cream and chocolate sauce extra whip.. i defer to what science says, and try to use some logic and not "feelings"

then you have people who LOVE how they feel smoking their nicotine and increase risk of cancer/copd...., so Id guess you'd agree they are doing  the right things and hate to advocate to not smoke?
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: antiheli on December 03, 2015, 07:47:39 am
Another study about veggies/longevity correlation from ergo-log,

http://www.ergo-log.com/live-longer-don-t-take-pills-eat-more-veg.html

I'm 24 and I only eat toast, rice and dairy at my childhood and I always don't like to eat veggies. 24 years of NO VEGGIES, lol. I really have to get them.

Low fat/pescatarian camp seems good way to get my health back.
Title: Re: Obssessed with nutrition
Post by: fathomer on December 03, 2015, 09:04:45 am
Another study about veggies/longevity correlation from ergo-log,

http://www.ergo-log.com/live-longer-don-t-take-pills-eat-more-veg.html

I'm 24 and I only eat toast, rice and dairy at my childhood and I always don't like to eat veggies. 24 years of NO VEGGIES, lol. I really have to get them.

Low fat/pescatarian camp seems good way to get health my back.

go for it man!