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Thanks Paco,
Since you thought the cream you were using was effective, I was wondering which cream base was used as they all have different absorption percentages.

Hello all,


2. I’ve been weight training 5-6 times a week for 8 years, without missing a week, and have had an extremely difficult time putting on muscle mass.


Hasn't Joe Sixpack or Boxcar posted that increasing weight training days / weight increases SHBG (or was that exercise)?  At 5-6 weight training days a week, that may be part of the high SHBG.

Also, I am not an authority on weight training, but I have always heard that you need to give your muscles at least one day rest to rebuild after a weight training day (but maybe he is rotating upper/lower body workout days).  If not rotating, that would be a max of 3 weight training days a week.  Maybe some of the regular lifters can comment.

186 SHBG is spooky !

I was on topical cream. I stopped it because my wife has PCOS. The risk of transfer just isn’t worth it to me.


Do you happen to know the name of the base cream (Lipoderm
Versabase, vanpen, PLO, etc)?

I went ahead and ordered labs. I get back in the US on the 31st, and I will probably just swing by Defy for the blood draw on the 1st of June. The results will determine my next step. If I go back on (most likely), I will give Testosterone Propionate a try. I’m thinking a very frequent injection schedule would be best (daily or every other day). The topicals gave me the best results, probably because of the daily dosing schedule, so I want to mimic that with an injectable. I will update my restart thread with lab results when I get them.

I do wonder if I should drop the Clomid before labs to see where I am really at.

Sorry to the OP if I’m hijacking. I don’t discourage trying to quit TRT, but I think it’s a one way street once you’re on it... no turning back.



Were you doing topical cream or alcohol gel ?

And if topical was the best for you, why do injects?


Is it this stuff? "In another embodiment, the pharmaceutically acceptable carrier of the present invention includes van pen cream (cetyl alcohol, stearyl alcohol, steric acid, gllycerol monosterate, isopropyl myristate, soya lecithin, BHT alcohol 95%, simethicone, sodium hydroxide 30% solution, polyoxyl stearate, edetate disodium 5%, purified water, urea)."


Yes, that WAS the stuff.  I did not see that ingredient list in my search, thanks.  The pharmacist said that all "creams" have a very similar ingredient list so I reluctantly switched to alcohol base.  I am not big on BHT and some of the other cream ingredients but also concerned about DHT going high with alcohol base as in past, seems like a no win situation


Looks like it's going to be "Vanpen" made by PCCA.  Starting it next week (switching from SubQ).
Does anyone else use Vanpen as a topical T delivery vehicle?

A compounding pharmacist asked if I wanted any particular T (compounded) skin delivery vehicle as there are now several new ones that increase the amount of T delivered through the skin.  I am now researching the various delivery vehicles, does anyone know what their compounded gel/cream delivery vehicle is and does anyone have any recommendations?

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Inject T USP ?
« on: April 17, 2018, 09:49:34 am »


Does anyone inject pure Testosterone USP, not an ester, IM as TRT ?

(Recognizing that it cannot be injected SQ as it would aroamatize immediately)

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Inject T USP ?
« on: April 16, 2018, 08:37:35 pm »
Does anyone inject T USP IM as TRT ?
 (Recognizing that it cannot be injected SQ as it would aroamatize immediately)
TRT, not roid abusers (no offense intended).

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Milk ?
« on: April 10, 2018, 05:18:49 am »
I switched to coconut milk a while back.  I don't drink much of it though.  I use half n half in my coffee.  So, no milk for me.  I do drink kefir once in a while, which is milk based.  It's sort of like yogurt.  I would drink raw milk, but it is a pain in the *** to get.


Right Joe.  It IS a pain to get.  In Florida, they have to label it "For Pet/Ag Use" to sell it.  It is available at some health food stores.
I was recently in Kentucky and you cannot get it there unless you know someone at a dairy farm.  And I heard there are a few isolated, hard-to-find co-ops that have it.

Too bad that the powers that be protect the greedy dairy farms at the expense of good  health (and money ) for Americans.



Dairy Is on the Decline—So Why Do American Taxpayers Have to Subsidize It?

by Rachel Krantz - May 31, 2017
Here’s the good news: Dairy milk consumption—horrible for cows on dairies, human health, and the environment alike—is on the decline. A perfect storm of lessening consumer demand, trade squabbles, and scaled-back dairy purchasing worldwide has left dairy products piling up—especially in the United States.

The U.S. currently has more than 800 million pounds of excess American cheese and 272 million pounds of excess butter, the USDA calculates. Dairy factory farmers are forcing cows to produce so much that millions of pounds of excess milk are simply dumped onto fields. According to MarketWatch, “In the Midwest and Northeast, nearly 78 million gallons of milk have been dumped so far this year, up 86% from the same period last year.”

Despite all this milk going to waste because nobody wants it, the U.S. dairy industry is still heavily subsidized by the government—and receiving taxpayer bailouts as a result. Lawmakers lobbied by the dairy industry are asking the USDA to continue using taxpayer money to buy excess cheese. Last year, the agency spent $20 million to do so and this year has already spent all the authorized funds. Now, according to a USDA spokesperson, a new request for yet more taxpayer money to be spent subsidizing this failing, cruel, and unhealthy industry is being considered.


Creams and gels sometimes do not do much for T levels but do drive DHT (Dihydrotestosterone)  levels very high.  This does not seem to be true in your case as higher DHT generally increases libido, performance, and well-being. But he should get DHT tested as well (no matter what form of T application is used).

Prolactin and Progestetone should also be tested as these can affect libido and performance.


It would be interesting to know your age?


Your Prolactin level is up next to the limit (usually 15 or 16) so I would keep an eye on Progesterone* and E2 (not high now), else you may need to keep tabs on moobs.

* Although I think Progesterone needs to get substantially higher than 0.6 to become a breast issue for males.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Milk ?
« on: April 06, 2018, 02:33:22 pm »
Pasteurized Milk gets a bad rap for a lot of reasons.  Raw, unpasteurized milk is said to be much better but still gets bad-mouthed for fat, etc. content.
Many guys on this forum either lift or are very health concious or both, I'm wondering how many of you guys drink milk and how much every day and is it raw and unpasteurized?

I read once that humans are the only creatures on Earth that drinks the milk of a different species.


Creams and gels sometimes do not do much for T levels but do drive DHT (Dihydrotestosterone)  levels very high.  This does not seem to be true in your case as higher DHT generally increases libido, performance, and well-being. But he should get DHT tested as well (no matter what form of T application is used).

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