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"He's been using HGH for years, or at least I remember reading about it.  I know that HGH thickens skin."

You need thick skin to keep acting with the reviews Stallone gets!

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Testopel results
« on: January 17, 2013, 05:21:12 pm »
Will do. Thanks for your insight. We've discussed before-- isn't my bioavailable T pretty good? I assume that means my SHBG is relatively low.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Testopel results
« on: January 17, 2013, 12:07:09 pm »
She already said the 2/15 insertion would be 14 pellets. I'll ask if she can do more.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Testopel results
« on: January 17, 2013, 01:58:18 am »
I am 6'6" and 260.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Testopel results
« on: January 16, 2013, 09:29:55 pm »
Went for my 3 month labs yesterday and the results already came in. Background: I started TRT with 1/2 tab (25mg) Clomid daily in May 2012, more than doubling my TT from 256 to 689.  Switched to Androgel (due to Doctor's advice not to stay on Clomid long-term) and dropped to 300 even with 3 pumps 1.62 version. Had 13 Testopel pellets inserted on 10/15. Here are my 1 month and 3 month labs:
1 mo:
TT 424, bioavailable 246, PSA .9,
3 mo:
TT 541, bioavailable 305, PSA .9

Mine actually increased when the peak was supposed to be 30 days and the "trough" at 90.

I wonder if adding 5000 IU of daily vitamin D made a difference after reading about it here. Or adding in one pump per day of Androgel to my forearms using the Dr Crisler method. I had leftover gel and did this for the third month knowing that my 1 month results were low, but applied none on the day of the test. Could it have accumulated? Or the 1 month labs were flawed? 13 pellets should have taken me higher I would think.

I'm starting to feel like I can get things done now after being on the pellets for a month now. I procrastinated a lot over the last few years and it killed me at work and home.

Thumbs up. She's not just fighting for us men, but all humanity. Pretty soon, all conception will need to take place in a lab.

Terminator 4 will be about Arnold coming back to the 20th century for sperm.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Undenatured whey article
« on: December 01, 2012, 07:02:42 pm »
From your website article about whey protein... "So I started by saying, "No whey!"  Now I say, "Yes, whey!"  Well, as long as it is denatured..."

Peak, didn't you mean "undenatured?" Thanks,


Thank you for posting these study results. I wonder why I can't find information this good and current with Google.

I did better on Clomid than T replacement but my doc is leary about long-term off-label use with questions about the effects on eye health. I already have floaters from before any treatment.


My doctor returned call and said she was pleased with the numbers and how I feel. She said bioavailable was high normal, TT only remained in the 400's because SHBG was low normal. She said I will probably need to increase my Arimidex at the end of the "cycle" (right now it's half a tab every other day) and she'll move up to 14 pellets in February's insertion. I didn't address the primary vs secondary question as it won't affect treatment and I probably just heard her wrong last time. She is a published expert on the subject so I'll assume it was my misunderstanding. We'll save Clomid for when I'm ready to try for a second child.

Thanks for your insight, all of your replies, and this site in general. I loved the Clomid studies posted by a member today. Why can't I find studies like that through Google?


Just left message 2 for my doctor this morning. The nurse confirmed that my TT got up to 689 on Clomid in July. I think I feel better at 424 on the pellets though. I seem to feel a surge after exercising, especially when it involves the legs. I'm guessing the exercise washes more blood over the pellets and I'll bet my TT goes higher after exercise than the morning lab results showed. I haven't read this anywhere, but I even felt the surge after raking and bagging leaves this weekend.

The plan up until now was to find the right dose of T for now and switch to Clomid a few months before we try for baby #2 (#1 is due in March and we've frozen sperm just in case). Does the primary verses secondary question lead you to believe I'd be better served with another plan of attack? My sperm count was actually high prior to TRT, so I think you are right about me being secondary. My question now is does it make any difference for treatment? Thanks,

Jack W

Another question to ask her then. I'm glad you wrote me before my call was returned. She had suggested it was from environmental damage of some sort. I'll ask why I came up higher on Clomid then. Is treatment generally different for secondary than for primary? I don't want to press her on that if its a moot point.

I'll also ask if any other tests were done last week and specifically SHBG.

I just got back to the house and rechecked the numbers the nurse gave me. I was off on the bioavailable-- it was 246.4. Still high considering 424 Total. The estradiol was < 11.8, but I am on half a arimidex every other day because I reported nipple sensitivity. Maybe that was in my head. I'll ask the doctor about that too since I would doubt any aromatase conversion is occurring with my other numbers. 

The doc was certain my 300 TT reading was a lab error when I was on Androgel. The repeat test gave the same figure. I wonder if she will retest my Testopel results too.

I am a 44 y.o. 6'6" 260 ex-athlete who never used steroids or anything other than protein, glutamine and occasional creatine. In May of 2012 I was diagnosed with primary hypogonadism. TT was 256. Clomid got me up into the 600's while I was trying to make a baby, which is currently in the oven. The fertility doctor also works at a men's health clinic and said Clomid hasn't been proven safe for long-term use so we switched to Androgel. Eventually after getting to 3 pumps per day, my TT only made it to 300. We then switched to Testopel. 13 pellets were inserted last month.

I feel great. My one month labs just came back and per the nurse, TT is now 424 and bioavailable T is 271. She didn't read me the units used for these values, but isn't that a very high bioavailable number for such a low TT at 1 month? I am awaiting a phone call from the Dr. But I though I would seek opinions here. She had expected TT of over 900 at one month post insertion of 13 pellets. But maybe bioavailable T is more important as I am back to my old self in the wood dept. and my energy is up too.

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