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Good summary

http://www.dimfaq.com/site/cruchoice.htm
this summary shows what amounts are in foods
 deiindolymethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables

Garden cress     cup (25 g) 3.9
Mustard greens     cup, chopped (28 g)    2.8
Brussels sprouts     cup (44 g)    2.4
Horseradish    1 tablespoon (15 g)    1.6
Kale    1 cup, chopped (67 g)    1.0
Watercress    1 cup, chopped (34 g)    
Cabbage, red     cup, chopped (45 g) 0.6
Broccoli     cup, chopped (44 g) 0.6
Kohlrabi     cup, chopped (67 g)     0.5
Bok choi (pak choi)     cup, chopped (35 g)    
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/phytochemicals/isothio/


plus DIM might help avoid heart failure

3,3'-Diindolymethane ameliorates adriamycin-induced cardiac fibrosis via activation of a BRCA1-dependent anti-oxidant pathway.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=%2C+3%2C3%27-diindolylmethane+heart+failure

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But it could be from the metabolite shift, right?

DIM works by increasing the enzyme in the liver responsible for breaking E2 to E3 I believe.  CYP3A4

http://lsresearch.thomsonreuters.com/maps. Kierkgaard if you haven't checked this out yet you might lke it.

This one is for estradiol

http://lsresearch.thomsonreuters.com/maps/850

It's important to remember that you only have a certain amount of liver enzymes and if one goes up others go down, so if you are jackng up your CYP3A4. You might create other issues with the metabolism of other target molecules.   Not sure what kind of magnitude really would be significant but probably worth caution and additional,research especially if you take other medications.

you dont think taking extra vit E to be dangerous?

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I am thinking about helping someone with her fitness goals
Im going to get her a Fitbit one

I checked consumer reports and it gives Fitbit 1  that highest rating for wireless/instant feedback

Does anyone else use one of these things?

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I know for a fact, absolutely and positively, that DIM resulted in significant changes for the better with my high E2 symptoms.  I know this because I kept the same schedule I had at the time (40 mg E3D IM) while taking DIM, and after three days I suddenly "snapped" into a significantly more crisp and focused state -- the head fog was mostly gone.  Now, stuff still remained, such as moderate insomnia, which got better as I lowered my dose.  So I don't know if the bloodwork reflects taking DIM, but I know subjectively that there's a difference.
thanks
Im getting some, Maybe I'll get my dad to take it, but he lives 4 hours away so I can't watch him
Im fat, so lowering e2 will help me lose fat?
He isnt fat, but has really low T and is30yrs older than me

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You can show him the study in these:

http://www.lef.org/magazine/2010/5/why-estrogen-balance-is-critical-to-aging-men/page-01

http://www.lef.org/magazine/2008/11/dangers-of-excess-estrogen-in-the-aging-male/page-02

He'll probably argue that it is on a diseased population, but maybe it will make him think.  So he's not getting gyno, moodiness, etc.?
hes 26 or so, I don't care much, I'm not his dad, etc
I have enough trouble with my fat siblings and even dealing with myself to not be fat
I don't have the energy to care what he does about his health.
you gotta look at the cost/benefit in situations with people, right?
yes

when I dated a junkie, I never told her to stop doing drugs, to stop smoking
I did make available to her help to stop doing anything she wanted, but I wasnt her dad, all I cared about was how she treated me, not how she treated herself

I watch the news and lots of people care what other people do.
as long as I dont pay for it,I dont care what others do.
my thinking would save lives


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Your friend will likely not be alive by 40 years old anyway if he's doing this type of stuff. Likely cause of death will be something heart related due to thickening of blood. Also, if he hangs around on this earth long enough, you're correct the high estrogen/DHT, etc. will stimulate prostate growth and various forms of cancer. There's a whole long list of bodybuilders who have died prematurely due to this type of abuse. Every time they seem to find multiple organ failure and complete atrophy of testicles in their autopsies.
I told him about the e2 being problematic for dz
and he has RBC 5.82(4-5.8) but he gives blood every 6 weeks, but I tell him he wants low Iron. low RBC, etc
I've asked him what's the point to be so freakin high?
His reply isnt worth posting

high DHT?  I dunno, he still has great hair

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I have a bbing friend who runs steroids
if TRT is staying  under 1200ng/ml
he is on steroids

I am concerned more about his E2, then his total T or free T

E2=93
total T=4896
free T=>49

no doubt, he is sub 9% bf, and is just pure muscle, but that is NOT healthy, but he's 26, so he thinks he's Immortal, infertile(He is) and invincible

wont high e2 give him the cancer? etc?

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My ratio went from 22:1 before DIM with T at 1300 and E2 at 59, then went up to 26:1 when my T was around 450 and E2 at 18.  After going subq (and continuing 50 mg of DIM daily), I went all the way up to 46:1 with T at almost 1100 and E2 at 24.6.

I think the ratio is very important, but I think the absolute values are just as important.  I'm still very uncertain about which is more important, and so are many docs (which is why you have some docs making up magical ratios to determine when an AI is needed, like my urologist who only prescribes on when there's a 10:1 T:E2 ratio or less).

Add to this the possible complicating variable that the speed of metabolism might count, especially how fast E2 clears from your system, which DIM is meant to increase, and you have another mystery.  I'm guessing DIM worked really well for me because it speeds up my E2 metabolism, which I can't see reflected in bloodwork (which doesn't mean it isn't there, just too many confounds).


so we don't have any bloodwork to show taking DIM actually did anything? or do we?>
seems like the concrete facts you are telling us:
Before DIM
T=1300
e2=59

going subQ
total T=1100
E2=drops to 25

so it seems that DIM (50mg/day) did do something to lower E2, agreed?

I'm just trying to figure out if I should get some DIM-PLus or not.
thanks

(IM means injecting into the  muscle
SubQ means into the into the subcutis, the layer of skin directly below the dermis and epidermis, collectively referred to as the cutis.

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Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / avoid BPH
« on: October 16, 2014, 06:15:54 pm »
You can avoid it
http://peaktestosterone.com/BPH_Benign_Prostate_Enlargement2.aspx
http://peaktestosterone.com/Prostate.aspx
You can avoid it


-Eat a low fat diet, meaning 10-15% of total calories come from fat
-eat garlic and onions a few times/week(lots of benifets there)
-spinach(vit E)
-broccoli
-tomatoes/lycopene
-increase W-3(which also increase phtyonutrients from  fruit/veggie
-green tea
-low glycemic index(no more donuts!)
DONT EAT
-HCA-Heterocyclic amines (HCAs) and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) are chemicals formed when muscle meat, including beef, pork, fish, and poultry, is cooked using high-temperature methods, such as pan frying or grilling directly over an open flame.  A good reason not to get food well-done
-avoid animal protein/milk-you get all the calcium from veggies(1 cup of brocoli has 7% of your needs from calcium, Half that of milk, twice that of garlic cloves
-

Stuff to do:

-Testosterone replacement therapy  is shown to reduce chance of BPH(you want a T/E ratio of 30-40)
-exercise, walking is the best
-lift weights
low fat diet
-green tea
-tomatoes/lycopene  is good
-get vitD above 40(5K IUs/day)
-get folate(lentils. beans, spinach, broccoli)
-lose fat(BMI 25 or less, Bodyfat, 15% or less
-get cholesterol below  200
-drink coffee
-
if you have it  you can get treated for it
http://peaktestosterone.com/BPH_Benign_Prostate_Enlargement.aspx

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130415124817.htm
Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) affects more than half of 50-year-old men and more than 80 percent of 80-year-old men. "All patients are looking for the least invasive treatment with lowest risk, and this U.S. clinical study confirms the results reported by interventional radiologists in Europe and South America," said Bagla. He noted that millions of men shy away from surgical and other transurethral procedures because they understandably do not want to risk urine leak, impotence or other complications that may arise from invasive procedures.

In early findings of the study, 13 of 14 men (92 percent) who had PAE noticed a significant decrease in symptoms after one month. None of the men suffered any major complications, such as impotence, leaking urine or infection. Most went home the day of treatment.
or you can get treated for it
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130415124817.htm
Benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) affects more than half of 50-year-old men and more than 80 percent of 80-year-old men. "All patients are looking for the least invasive treatment with lowest risk, and this U.S. clinical study confirms the results reported by interventional radiologists in Europe and South America," said Bagla. He noted that millions of men shy away from surgical and other transurethral procedures because they understandably do not want to risk urine leak, impotence or other complications that may arise from invasive procedures.

In early findings of the study, 13 of 14 men (92 percent) who had PAE noticed a significant decrease in symptoms after one month. None of the men suffered any major complications, such as impotence, leaking urine or infection. Most went home the day of treatment.

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It seems hard to swallow that one variable like B3 can be so deadly, even though it's been used for over 50yrs

did the study/article make it apparent that different people will get different results from exgousnous B3?  same way that more testosterone will affect a lean man different than a fat man?

so maybe the guy who eat fast food and watch TV all day,  get nothing from niacin
but what about the others, who lose weight, workout. and do most of the things right,
wouldn't they get  a boost from niacin to reduce their cholesterol levels?

Please bzarfas, this is a scientific site, your type of reasoning belongs to a TMZ health site type.
I questioned  an atricle, seems scientfic to me
it seems you have to learn to read and/or grow up

I did like how you tried/failed to use my insult I used  with success on  you
I really made you mad, eh

HAHAHHAHAHA you got owned, useless poster you are :P

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140716183156.htm

Those of you taking niacin may want to reconsider per this...

Those taking Niacin for cholesterol did not have a reduced incident of heart attacks and it may of even increased the incedence of heart attack compared to placebo... Plus it caused a host of serious side effects.

call me confused

we aren;t ak the same

if I want to get my total cholesterol below 150 to prevent heart disease
as Peak says:
"documented, in one of his early papers, how every modern primal culture with no heart disease had cholesterol below 150. [2] "
and  many other references that lowering cholesterol helps people."http://peaktestosterone.com/Large_Particle_LDL.aspx

That's not suggesting cholesterol levels play a role in causing heart attacks, but one common fact people who don't get heart disease have...they have low cholesterol

just like this survey that says people who don't get cancer/heart disease/diabetes, have BMIs under 25
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540


I question the study, I mean article, I see no study to say what they did to get those results
is this article  like HRT studies that say HRT will increase cancer/MIs/ etc so EVERYONE needs avoid TRT at ALL cost

It seems hard to swallow that one variable like B3 can be so deadly, even though it's been used for over 50yrs
what's the alternative? go buy the statins from the medical industry?
but havent we heard how little heart attacks are influenced by cholesterol?


did the study/article make it apparent that different people will get different results from exgousnous B3?  same way that more testosterone will affect a lean man different than a fat man?

so maybe the guy who eat fast food and watch TV all day,  get nothing from niacin
but what about the others, who lose weight, workout. and do most of the things right,
wouldn't they get  a boost from niacin to reduce their cholesterol levels?





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She actually already has the drugs, prescribed legally. Oregon law already allows that. She is basically just saying 'hey everybody, i'll kill myself, see how cool I am?'.

FAIL/wrong; she lives in SF.  she moved to where she could get the drugs/Oregon.
did you read the article?
I mean, did you understand the article? ;D



A 29-year-old San Francisco woman plans to end her own life on November 1st, two days after her husband's birthday, which she wants to celebrate with him for a final time. After suffering severe headaches early this year, Brittany Maynard was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. After looking at the options and the suffering she would face as the disease progresses, Maynard and her husband moved to Oregon, which has a "death with dignity" law

Read more: http://www.washfm.com/onair/jenni-chase-54141/29year-old-terminal-woman-plans-to-12842196/#ixzz3GKz4Sxmy

the article was written to let others now what the options are/get the "dignity" law spread

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Nobody is stopping her. She is just looking for approval and asking society to be her accomplice.

There are plenty of non messy ways of offing yourself that don't traumatize the folks tasked with dealing with your remains.
it seems she wants drugs to end her life and she is not allowed


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It did for me.... whenever i caught out carbs... my tool just becomes lifeless, whenever i eat a decent sized plate... the plumbing works. I don't know if works like that for everyone. But for me carbs, seems to be a primary factory. I used to eat almost 3/4ths of a plate of rice, and didn't have ED. Even in the period before GERD, when i was depressed and sleep-deprived, my penis still worked, after i ate carbs. In 2013, carbs and steak+ exercise usually meant that my tool was rock hard and lasted for 2-3 minutes even without stimulation. So atleast for me there is a clear correlation between healthy carb intake and penile functioning.

either way... i'll need to have my GERD assesed, and my stomuch sphincter assesed aswell.
least you are healthy, thats good

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Well, I'm not virologist, but I read that and thought the comparison was weak at best.  AIDs is gotten almost entirely through sex and needles.  That is NOT the case with ebola.  This stuff is highly contagious.  One of the workers in TX got it and stories abound of health care workers with just a small amount of skin contact getting it.  In Africa people are no longer shaking hands and everyone is washing their hands with bleach.  I just don't see the comparison.


exactly, there are only a few ways to get HIV and takes years before it allows other infections kill you
Ebola seems to spread like catching  a cold  shows symptoms quickly

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