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Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: TRT stopped working
« on: October 21, 2021, 03:51:30 pm »
That also mirrors my androgel experience, eventually, there was nothing I could do to make it work. I now use topical cream, generally 10% concentration. Works well, I'm able to get my levels as high as 1250 with daily applications or about 700 with every other day use.

I shave my shoulders and that helps A LOT. There is no question that absorption can be affected by skin issues, such as thickening. I simply shave my thighs and apply there for a while when I start to feel the skin getting a slick feeling. There does not seem to be a difference in absorption rates by location.

Good job. However, nofap results in shrinkage for an old man like me.

Latest T levels 1250ng/dl w/daily 10% creme and some alcohol/menthol as a carrier. Unfortunately, it drove my estradiol sky high. Taking a little aromatase inhibitors to get the E down. I bring this up to note it is possible to use a transdermal to get high numbers.

I've been on and off TRT for decades now. Currently 10% creme, every other day. Every day results in 1200 ng/dl, and that's too high for me. I really like numbers to be around 700. Interestingly, the EOD protocol seems to maintain testicle size. If I skip another day, they start to hurt, guessing (and that's all it is) that LH goes up and tells testicles to work, which they don't.

I can get off TRT and power through the testicle pain and swelling. Unfortunately, T levels never rise naturally and about 25 is where it settles, which is where it was when this started (due to illness) . At which point, women remain pretty, and are thoroughly uninteresting from an attraction point of view. Less confidence as a pilot too.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: Alcohol and TRT
« on: September 09, 2021, 11:38:24 pm »
I'm one of those who really can't do more than one drink. I have a BAC meter and will try it from time to time. If I have a BAC of 0.03 I definitely start to feel more fatigue and sometimes actually can't stay up and will fall asleep on the couch until 2 or 3 AM. One drink, I'm fine, 2 and I might be a zombie.

TRT seems to have no effect on the issue I have with alcohol. 

How can I be sure? Common sense is how. I had nothing wrong with me pre trt and three months later after starting trt everything hits me like a ton of bricks. You can't just shut down the cascade of hormones and not expect things to go haywire.

People have been removing testicles from animals and people alike for thousands of years, with no obvious health defects related, other than a propensity to gain weight. Testosterone is absolutely helpful when at proper levels, but when not abused, it's proper use is "probably" not a catalyst for an entire host of health issues. I make little to none naturally, and when using it correctly, it is a help. It's not a cure for anything. Furthermore, I can function just fine with levels from 25 ng/dl to 1200 ng/dl. Interestingly, I just got tested and T levels spiked to over 1200 due to a new application method (using a transdermal carrier). I just makes me horny and sleep fewer hours when levels are high.

I'm not sure of anything and have no clue what's wrong with me. I've been in bed for a day and a half due to my lower back going out

and I dropped my drill and stuck the drill bit thru my foot. 

I've had a hell of a time getting treatment for RNP antibodies (it's like lupus) and it destroys life itself. I don't know that you have autoimmune issues, but getting a blood test for them is not a big deal. Getting treatment is near impossible unless you are dying.


Are you sure you don't have an autoimmune disease? Autoimmune diseases of any type are inflammatory in nature, and can cause all sorts of problems, depending on what gets attacked.

In my case, I can't take it anymore. I need to get back on pred. The anti RNP antibodies attack every cell in me.


Cujet - am I mistaken or did you stop cream for awhile after being a long time user and if so why did you go back to cream?

I tend to experiment. Also, sometimes I can't get a good product. The local compounding pharmacy will gladly charge $270 for a 60 gram tube of 10% T cream that fails to do anything.

I was again able to get the creme from Professional Arts Pharmacy in MD. That stuff works wonderfully. 

I prefer the compounded creme. I tend to experiment a little with it. In the end, AM application is best.

Lately, I've been applying the creme every other day, just twice as much. Seem to work just fine and is a bit less of a hassle. Maybe libido is a bit better with an every other day approach, at least it seems like it.

Applying at night is not as good for me. I can do it, but prefer not to. Maybe I'll try that tonight.

My contact lenses, of any brand, do reduce the brilliance of blue-ish colors in some situations. Especially in scenery. I believe that the UV light blocked reduces how awesome things look.

Recently I was driving home, the sky was absolutely beautiful, but looked dull. Knowing that contacts "kill" the scene, I pulled my contacts out and despite the fact that I was somewhat unable to focus, things looked markedly better, and a whole bunch more "striking".

Thanks! Oh, I forgot the Thyroid hormones from my list. How important are they? I have some from years past but I don't think all of them:

--> thyroid hormones (fT3, fT4, rT3)

Thyroid levels should probably be part of routine screening. Although, once T4 and especially T3 are out of range, symptoms become obvious. I ended up in the hospital before I was diagnosed with thyroid problems. It is good to note that TSH can vary considerably, even over the period of one day. A "one time snapshot" of thyroid levels may be helpful, just in case things are caught early. Can follow up with more tests and see if a trend is starting.

I did sub Q Enanthate for a while. I did get good results, and T levels were easily controlled. Every 3 or 4 days seemed to work out fairly well, and avoided the roller coaster ride. But again, I will note that I do best when the levels fluctuate somewhat. Steady levels for me just seem less effective.


Are there any difficulties with an every other day dose, either in terms of injections/needles, or in getting a doc to approve one? The shorter intervals intuitively make sense as matching closer to the daily rhythm.

I'm one of those who uses Compounded T cream, currently at 10%. I had so much trouble with Androgel, the amount that I ended up applying, the cost, eventual skin thickening, and rotating sites, that I eventually gave up on Androgel. I will readily admit that it worked wonderfully at first. However after a period of time (many months) the dose had to be increased due to lack of absorption. Eventually, I could slather on what seemed like a cup of the stuff and still have T levels in the mid 200's a few hours after application. The time when levels should be highest.

I started to have rashes due to the Androgel and other prescription topical T products, and my dermatologist prescribed the T creme from a known good compounding pharmacy. Knowing it would solve the rash issues.

I had some trouble with injections too. The carrier oil would get into my lungs and cause coughing fits. Even with the Doc doing proper IM injections.

I'm currently using 10% compounded T creme. But not just any creme, one made by a pharmacy that does it right, and gets good T results. I have zero skin trouble with it, and absorption is good, resulting in a very consistent T level of 700 ng/dl. What I'm doing lately is an every other day application. (I tend to experiment a little) and it's been good. I simply apply more, every other day.

I have other health problems, autoimmune disease, and T levels are really the least of my concerns. I also have a failed thyroid, and very low cortisol, using too much T does not help the low Cortisol, so I keep my T levels 450-700 and doc adds in prednisone or hydrocortisone as necessary when AM cortisol drops below 7.

In my case T does 2 main things, I notice muscles respond to adequate T levels, and it drives my libido way, way up. Especially if I cycle on and off creme T. I'm not really sure why this is, but I do not get the same libido results from injections of any dose, type or frequency. But I absolutely get high libido with the compounded 10% creme, with either an every day or an every other day program. I also notice that excessively low T results in a form of worry. I'm a pilot and the best way to describe it is that with near nil T, I needlessly worry that the wing spar will break. With adequate levels I have confidence in the machine and can concentrate on my skills.

It really is too bad my wife is post menopausal and has zero interest, because I'm good to go in that department. It took me years to come to terms with the libido mismatch. But that's another subject entirely.

Thyroid problems are nearly always self evident. TSH measurement is an indirect measurement, varies widely, even over a day, and even in healthy people, does not indicate actual thyroid T4 and T3 levels. (T3 being the active hormone)

A low TSH in an otherwise healthy person is generally meaningless. Excessively high TSH means the thyroid is not responding well to the Thyroid Stimulating Hormone and "may be" followed by low thyroid levels. Although that can take some time (for a thyroid destroying disease to run it's course, for example) . Even half a thyroid can produce enough hormone with enough TSH.

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