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Lots of different point of view on this studies. We have forgotten  that the ranges a lab uses are different for the different ages of people. So saying that 200 level is dangerous is, to say the least, arbitrary unless the especify to what age they are refering.
A 25 year old guy has more than that.

Anyway,

Peak, (this is my personal opinion) I think you should split the debate and open one on this topic to see if any experts  jumps in. The original topic was about Calcium D glucarate lowering those levels and I'm going to see if this is true or not. I allready discontinued it from my regime.


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Yes TRT does raise IGF1, Box, it is normal. and Somatomedine is the way  the lab names to the IGF-1 test . And a level 200+ is good in my opinion. But you can see the way to increase it a little bit more. Now, a lot of guys here don't like to have high levels of IGF-1 and I respect their opinions but I like how I look and feel with levels of 250s+

Do you think concerns about higher IGF-1 reducing longevity are not justified?

I don't understand you question , Cataseous.

Can you explain me or elaborate on it, please?
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There are studies linking both low and high levels of IGF-1 to reduced longevity. Do these worry you, or do you doubt that causality is in play, or are you just accepting a possible tradeoff? I encountered an article that singled out a level of 200 ng/mL in particular as a border to the danger zone on the high side.


Ah, I see. I think is the other way around. The younger a person is, the higher is their igf1 levels. But I would love to read the article you are talking about. Can you post the link, please. Thanks in advance

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Yes TRT does raise IGF1, Box, it is normal. and Somatomedine is the way  the lab names to the IGF-1 test . And a level 200+ is good in my opinion. But you can see the way to increase it a little bit more. Now, a lot of guys here don't like to have high levels of IGF-1 and I respect their opinions but I like how I look and feel with levels of 250s+

Do you think concerns about higher IGF-1 reducing longevity are not justified?


I don't understand you question , Cataseous.

Can you explain me or elaborate on it, please?

Thanks

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There is a theory that calcium-d lowers estrogen, and possibly other hormones, by attaching to them in the digestive tract.  Fiber is supposed to work the same way.  This is generally not going to lower testosterone much for guys who are natural, because the lower estrogen stimulates testosterone production, in a virtuous cycle.  But if you are on TRT, then this will not happen.

All of the above is just a theory -- I kind of doubt that anyone knows for sure how calcium-d works.  If true, this would be more of an issue for guys on TRT and/or HCG.  For all of the other ways you can lower testosterone (stress, insomnia, dieting, obesity, etc.) TRT totally insulates you from.  And of course, it can insulate you from this as well, if you just increase dosage to compensate.

BTW, how do you like the somatomedine and HGH?  Can you notice any difference between 180 and 250 IGF-1 levels?

It keeps you leaner ,Box. That is why I like to maintain it on those levels 250 + , 140 is the lower end of the range. 250 is sligthly higher than the upper range. Now, a high level of test helps to get higher on IGF but since I cannot get to my levels because test is only around 700 I had to raise my dosage of hgh to the double.

I supect that nobody will have any evidence about this but I don't find any other explanation on why my levels are not wanting to go up as in the past years where with those dosages I was able to get to the numbers I said.

Thanks -- so you can see a difference in body fat between 180 and 250?.  My IGF-1 was at 200 after starting TRT.  But I am starting to see all the classic signs of aging -- abdominal fat, cracking joints, crows feet.  I am just trying to get a sense for whether therapy would be worthwhile at my level (especially since all of the GH-boosting treatments are rather pricey).

I actually tried MK-677, but it gave me stomach problems.

for you to get from 200 to 250 or 270 would be very easy with some hgh but I don't if it is worth 50 points and the money you will spend.

What is your test level? the more you increase it, the more hgh will increase automatically. I allready proved that in myself and there are a lot of studies that say the same.

With a test level of 800, my IGF-1 was a little over 200.  Does TRT actually raise growth hormone, or just IGF-1?  Also, what exactly is somatomedine and what is your reason for taking it?  I am not familiar.

There is an anti-aging clinic near me that offers GH-boosting peptides.  So that is probably the direction I would go in (although that is probably not cheap either).


Yes TRT does raise IGF1, Box, it is normal. and Somatomedine is the way  the lab names to the IGF-1 test . And a level 200+ is good in my opinion. But you can see the way to increase it a little bit more. Now, a lot of guys here don't like to have high levels of IGF-1 and I respect their opinions but I like how I look and feel with levels of 250s+

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Gracias, Cataseous

What I wonder is that maybe some individuals are more sensible to this substance than others. I repeat, I haven't change anything on my diet or supps other than adding this product.

On the other side,I don't see why it can afect E2 with dosages of 1500 mgs and not the other hormones.


I allready discontinued and we will see if my levels of these two hormones raise again and will let know all of you.


Best

Factor5a

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Hi there

Anyone with this experience?

I restarted my trt program like 4 months ago with the same dosages (test and half of what I have used recently of hgh)I have used in the past.

The strange thing is that with those dosages I was able to achieve the 900s levels in testosterone and 250 to 275 in somatomedine.

In my last two lab works, I hardly get to the 700s in test and 180 in Igf1. using the same dosage of Test aprox 75 mgs and 6 clicks of hGH (double that in the past where with 3 clicks I was getting to the 250s)

The only change I have made is adding 1500 mgs of CAlcium d Glucarate

I have found a very few comments on the web about this product lowering Testosterone.


Any ideas?  This is weird to say the least.

Best

Factor5a

Factor5a.  How would CDG change testosterone?  Respectfully, that does not make sense to me.  Well, I guess it could if the CDG lowered your SHBG significantly and CDG does have a liver detoxifying effect supposedly.  But I haven't heard of anyone on here discussing that anyway.

Let me ask you another question:  did you switch brands of testosterone recently?  I have heard that this can sometimes effect pharmokinetics a bit - on the order of the kind of change you are seeing.

Hola Peak.

The same question I made it to myself because it does not make sense but it happened with two hormones. Testosterone and IGF1. I have not changed the brand. I always use sustenon . The same dosage that in the past for test and I hardly get to the 700s and with the double of dose of hgh and hardly get to 180 .

So I went into the web and found one or two persons in bodybuilding forums that say that .Now taking in mind that this people are not experts, I'm not paying attention to their opinions, but looking at my recent lab works, I cannot not find any other explanation.

Maybe a Dr with a lot of experience will know something about this or maybe not.

It is really weird and it is driving me crazy. All of my other markers are the same . For example shbg is always between 25 and 30.

I hope anybody can give me a clue.

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There is a theory that calcium-d lowers estrogen, and possibly other hormones, by attaching to them in the digestive tract.  Fiber is supposed to work the same way.  This is generally not going to lower testosterone much for guys who are natural, because the lower estrogen stimulates testosterone production, in a virtuous cycle.  But if you are on TRT, then this will not happen.

All of the above is just a theory -- I kind of doubt that anyone knows for sure how calcium-d works.  If true, this would be more of an issue for guys on TRT and/or HCG.  For all of the other ways you can lower testosterone (stress, insomnia, dieting, obesity, etc.) TRT totally insulates you from.  And of course, it can insulate you from this as well, if you just increase dosage to compensate.

BTW, how do you like the somatomedine and HGH?  Can you notice any difference between 180 and 250 IGF-1 levels?

It keeps you leaner ,Box. That is why I like to maintain it on those levels 250 + , 140 is the lower end of the range. 250 is sligthly higher than the upper range. Now, a high level of test helps to get higher on IGF but since I cannot get to my levels because test is only around 700 I had to raise my dosage of hgh to the double.

I supect that nobody will have any evidence about this but I don't find any other explanation on why my levels are not wanting to go up as in the past years where with those dosages I was able to get to the numbers I said.

Thanks -- so you can see a difference in body fat between 180 and 250?.  My IGF-1 was at 200 after starting TRT.  But I am starting to see all the classic signs of aging -- abdominal fat, cracking joints, crows feet.  I am just trying to get a sense for whether therapy would be worthwhile at my level (especially since all of the GH-boosting treatments are rather pricey).

I actually tried MK-677, but it gave me stomach problems.

for you to get from 200 to 250 or 270 would be very easy with some hgh but I don't if it is worth 50 points and the money you will spend.

What is your test level? the more you increase it, the more hgh will increase automatically. I allready proved that in myself and there are a lot of studies that say the same.


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There is a theory that calcium-d lowers estrogen, and possibly other hormones, by attaching to them in the digestive tract.  Fiber is supposed to work the same way.  This is generally not going to lower testosterone much for guys who are natural, because the lower estrogen stimulates testosterone production, in a virtuous cycle.  But if you are on TRT, then this will not happen.

All of the above is just a theory -- I kind of doubt that anyone knows for sure how calcium-d works.  If true, this would be more of an issue for guys on TRT and/or HCG.  For all of the other ways you can lower testosterone (stress, insomnia, dieting, obesity, etc.) TRT totally insulates you from.  And of course, it can insulate you from this as well, if you just increase dosage to compensate.

BTW, how do you like the somatomedine and HGH?  Can you notice any difference between 180 and 250 IGF-1 levels?

It keeps you leaner ,Box. That is why I like to maintain it on those levels 250 + , 140 is the lower end of the range. 250 is sligthly higher than the upper range. Now, a high level of test helps to get higher on IGF but since I cannot get to my levels because test is only around 700 I had to raise my dosage of hgh to the double.

I supect that nobody will have any evidence about this but I don't find any other explanation on why my levels are not wanting to go up as in the past years where with those dosages I was able to get to the numbers I said.




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Hi there

Anyone with this experience?

I restarted my trt program like 4 months ago with the same dosages (test and half of what I have used recently of hgh)I have used in the past.

The strange thing is that with those dosages I was able to achieve the 900s levels in testosterone and 250 to 275 in somatomedine.

In my last two lab works, I hardly get to the 700s in test and 180 in Igf1. using the same dosage of Test aprox 75 mgs and 6 clicks of hGH (double that in the past where with 3 clicks I was getting to the 250s)

The only change I have made is adding 1500 mgs of CAlcium d Glucarate

I have found a very few comments on the web about this product lowering Testosterone.


Any ideas?  This is weird to say the least.

Best

Factor5a

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That is the way I do it, I guess is a mix of Subq and IM, since I have not a lot of fat in that area.

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Hola Peak

Do you have any data or evidence that shows a relationship between using HGC and free testosterone?

Since I started using HGC with test, my free testosterone went up. Now, I'm not sure if at the same time I started using HCG my labs started using a formula to report Free testosterone and before that they measure it , method that I know is very unstable and not to reliable. Now I'm sure they use the formula. Did I explain myself?

Before using HCG I could be in the 800s of total test with 10 to 12 free testo.


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What values you have now?
123 ng/mL (range on WellnessFX: 117 - 330)

So I am barely over the lower limit according to WellnessFX.

You have a low level.,for sure that is a problem in being lean. How old are you? I maintain myself between 250 and 300 and am 56 years old. I suspect that Clomid is lowering your levels at least for 50 points if not more.

I am 31  :'(

I will get restested after coming off Clomid and let's see what happens.

I don't think they will go up imediately, but after some weeks. Let us know, but I think you will be in the top hundreds or lo 200s

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What values you have now?
123 ng/mL (range on WellnessFX: 117 - 330)

So I am barely over the lower limit according to WellnessFX.

You have a low level.,for sure that is a problem in being lean. How old are you? I maintain myself between 250 and 300 and am 56 years old. I suspect that Clomid is lowering your levels at least for 50 points if not more.

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For 7 days, I ate:

-Scrambled eggs w/cheese for breakfast
-Home cooked beef patty w/cheese or chicken salad (no bread)
-Tuna salad, burger patty or chicken salad for dinner.

While on this diet I did 3-4 heavy spin classes a week. I'm a road cyclist. No juices.
The scale should certainly move with a diet like this. Maybe the discussion of IGF-1 levels is right. My IGF-1 levels are pretty low while on Clomid, however unfortunately I don't have a before value to compare it to :(.
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What values you have now?

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If you are in a real low carb or zero carb, you are in Ketosis for sure. Maybe you are not to low in Carbs as you may think. I agree with Exp about the breath an other subjective ways to know but I willl go with some urine strips to be sure. But even if you are in a ketosis state, if your IGF 1 is low, you will have a hard time in loosing fat, this last thing I said in other posts where somebody esle was complaining about the same.

For 7 days, I ate:

-Scrambled eggs w/cheese for breakfast
-Home cooked beef patty w/cheese or chicken salad (no bread)
-Tuna salad, burger patty or chicken salad for dinner.

While on this diet I did 3-4 heavy spin classes a week. I'm a road cyclist. No juices.

Well, that is for sure a low carb diet. I think you have to give it at least one more week, but I repeat, you IGf 1 levels will not help since Clomid lowers them as I said. That is why I used Clomid once and when I realized what it does to IGF1 I stopped and will never use it again. In my very personal opinion is garbage for our purposes.

So, clomid lowers IGf 1 levels, which will keep you from loosing weight?  Is there anything you can take while on clomid to increase IGF1?

Yes, Human Growth hormone

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