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I'm wondering if anyone else on this forum has any issues/comments on T Prop injections ?


Did a little reading on tbe net fron insulin users, one of the things they have noticed is that shorter needles seem to cause them these kinds of issues.  So, this morning, I switched from a 6 mm to 8 mm needle and so far, it looks ok.

Some other things they note is pushing the barrel too hard against the skin and some said inserting the needle too quickly causes it while others said it should be quick.

I've got one place that was injected a couple days ago that is getting redder and has developed a bump under the skin.  Never (hardly) had any if these issues with TCyp and cottonseed oil.



Took about one week of daily injects to get back to feeling normal, actually a bit better than T Cyp.


I am getting a little redness (does not hurt) around some injection sites (using 3/10, 31ga, 6mm) do you recall this with Empower T Prop ?

Maybe a TP Grapeseed oil carrier reaction from the previous T Cyp Cottoseed oil carrier ?


It would not surprise me that at first, shbg would respond to peak values and tben settle out to some value as the body does its magic to attain and maintain homeostasis, all things considered.  I guess tbat is why we wait 6 weeks for testing.


I was thinking that as time goes on, shbg may adjust to soften the obvious transition in the way I feel between afternoon and evening, doing its juggling act on T and E2.
Recognizing that SHBG is only one of the factors in the formula.

Btw, this evening is better than the first 2 days.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: HGH online Test
« on: December 18, 2020, 01:58:00 am »

What ?  Who ?


Only been at it for two days, so no snap judgements.  I am more energetic snd positive in tbe morning and afternoon but become very tired but calm and serene in the early evening, ready for the rack at 9 pm.  So no 2 week honeymoon so far.  Does tbis sound familiar, Cat, you mentioned that you had some pretty big swings in levels ?

Maybe shbg will catch up ?


Hey Cat


Started T Prop today.  Was going to wait 4 half-lives (28 days) of T Cyp before start T Prop but after 2 1/2 weeks, symptoms got to me so started early.
Doc wants to wait 6 weeks for lab tests so we will see.  Will of course, be watching how I feel.


Thanks Cat. Empower is the company I intend to use.

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: HGH online Test
« on: November 20, 2020, 12:31:20 am »

There are several labs in the US that test IGF-1, a web search will return candidate labs.  Different test methodologies are available but I would recommend "Liquid Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS)" as the preferred test methodology.

I have seen a few scattered web posts saying T Prop is more irritating than T Cyp at injection site.  I think they were talking IM injects.  I think you said you were doing SQ injections, did you notice any difference between T Prop and T Cyp SQ .

Testosterone, Hormones and General Men's Health / Re: HGH online Test
« on: November 11, 2020, 02:42:22 am »

Not really sure what you are asking, but if you are looking for an HGH test online or otherwise, you will not find one that measures it directly, it does not last very long in the bloodstream.
It is measured indirectly with IGF-1 which is made in the liver, lasts much longer, and mirrors HGH levels.
Hope this helps!


 2) Multiple daily injections of the gonadorelin and kisspeptin, to better approximate natural delivery.

Starts to look more "pulsatile" to target receptors.


I guess I was thinking, in a Primary hypo situation, If LH is in the normal range and is pretty much what it has been for the last year or so and T suddenly drops, then it would appear that something has gone wrong in the testes, and enzymes may be at fault

But this window (of normal LH) would be short-lived as the low T would drive the HP to increase LH (as you note), assuming HP is still working.

Interesting though, cause if an enzyme is at fault, the increased LH would not increase T.


Wasn't thinking of augmenting enzymes (at this time anyway), would like to gather a few key readings of various parameters (in addition to the usual suspects) in case of any future malfunctions.  If that happens, could order a list of lab tests and pin the issue down to, hopefully, a weak link in the chain.  And then go try to figure out how to fix it.

Like you say, these testes-local enzymes would probably be difficult to augment, but don't really know, have never read on that.

But it was worthwhile reading about 17b HSD, if endogenous T ever drops and LH is still "normal" or about the same as past, the genetic test for it is a candidate as genes can change with time

This may also be a genetic test other guys could take if T is is inexplicably low (normal LH. etc.).

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