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Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« on: May 19, 2016, 09:58:30 pm »
Hi All,

Would anyone know of any Clomid alternatives whether medication or supplements that, like Clomid, work on the Hypothalamus, and what effects would they have on hormones?

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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2016, 05:54:03 am »
Hi All,

Would anyone know of any Clomid alternatives whether medication or supplements that, like Clomid, work on the Hypothalamus, and what effects would they have on hormones?

Nolvadex (tamoxifen) is another SERM like Clomid and has the advantage of battling gyno better.  It will raise T if you are non-primary.  Some don't believe it is good for long term use due to the fact it is sometimes hard on the liver.
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2016, 12:23:29 pm »
Hi All,

Would anyone know of any Clomid alternatives whether medication or supplements that, like Clomid, work on the Hypothalamus, and what effects would they have on hormones?

Nolvadex (tamoxifen) is another SERM like Clomid and has the advantage of battling gyno better.  It will raise T if you are non-primary.  Some don't believe it is good for long term use due to the fact it is sometimes hard on the liver.


To add to this, Nolvadex also has an inhibitory effect on IGF-1 production.  I think that gets overlooked pretty often, likely because most men don't monitor their IGF-1 levels in the first place.  It seems to improve once Nolvadex administration ceases, but it's still worth noting if you ask me.

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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2016, 02:55:45 pm »

To add to this, Nolvadex also has an inhibitory effect on IGF-1 production.  I think that gets overlooked pretty often, likely because most men don't monitor their IGF-1 levels in the first place.  It seems to improve once Nolvadex administration ceases, but it's still worth noting if you ask me.

I believe Clomid has that effect too. I'll have to check sources to confirm, but there was something like 30% decline in IGF-1 levels after a few months of Clomid. I could be way off here.
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2016, 03:59:43 pm »
Hi All,

Would anyone know of any Clomid alternatives whether medication or supplements that, like Clomid, work on the Hypothalamus, and what effects would they have on hormones?

Nolvadex (tamoxifen) is another SERM like Clomid and has the advantage of battling gyno better.  It will raise T if you are non-primary.  Some don't believe it is good for long term use due to the fact it is sometimes hard on the liver.


To add to this, Nolvadex also has an inhibitory effect on IGF-1 production.  I think that gets overlooked pretty often, likely because most men don't monitor their IGF-1 levels in the first place.  It seems to improve once Nolvadex administration ceases, but it's still worth noting if you ask me.

That is interesting!  I gotta look into that.
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2016, 04:03:36 pm »

To add to this, Nolvadex also has an inhibitory effect on IGF-1 production.  I think that gets overlooked pretty often, likely because most men don't monitor their IGF-1 levels in the first place.  It seems to improve once Nolvadex administration ceases, but it's still worth noting if you ask me.

I believe Clomid has that effect too. I'll have to check sources to confirm, but there was something like 30% decline in IGF-1 levels after a few months of Clomid. I could be way off here.

If you have a chance to look that up, I'd be very int'd.  Can you post it here if so?
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2016, 12:59:10 pm »
Would Clomid or any alternatives also do a 'reset' of other hormones such as cortisol, thyroid, oxytocin instead of just testosterone?

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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2016, 06:34:23 pm »
Would Clomid or any alternatives also do a 'reset' of other hormones such as cortisol, thyroid, oxytocin instead of just testosterone?

Not that I know of. It is messing around with the estrogen receptor. I don't think those others are is affected by that.  But I don't know for sure as it could have secondary effects i guess.  It could help some guys with SHBG.
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2016, 03:30:43 pm »
Split out a question on tamoxifen/nolvadex and sperm production here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=10164.0
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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2016, 06:26:23 pm »
Split out a question on tamoxifen/nolvadex and sperm production here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=10164.0
Thanks for the article. I thought it was an alternative  to clomid. None of them are guaranteed to work, it has to do with if the medicine can fix what was causing the low production of sperm. All I know is my body reacted badly to three days of clomid. Went to the gym today and got extremely light headed after my workout was done. Eyesight is better today but not 100%. Haven't taken any clomid in two days and hope to get this stuff out of my system in a week. After a little surge day two, it has lowered my libido as well. Not good stuff for me.

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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 06:33:04 pm »

To add to this, Nolvadex also has an inhibitory effect on IGF-1 production.  I think that gets overlooked pretty often, likely because most men don't monitor their IGF-1 levels in the first place.  It seems to improve once Nolvadex administration ceases, but it's still worth noting if you ask me.

I believe Clomid has that effect too. I'll have to check sources to confirm, but there was something like 30% decline in IGF-1 levels after a few months of Clomid. I could be way off here.

That is true. When I was on Clomid my IGF levels drop even that I was  on HGH suplementation. They drop those levels for sure. Once I discontinued Clomid, my levels went up again.
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600 IU HGC  weekly divided in two SQ shots
6 click of  HGH daily
1 ml of Progesteron cream daily
Half pill of Arimidex once a week

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Progesterone,
1.50 ng/mL                                       0.21 - 1.54

Estradiol,
26 pg/mL                                              5 - 66

Testosterone Total

* 989.5 ng/dL                               142.0 - 923.0    ;D

Testosterone Libre (free)

 * 31.0 ng/dL                                     4.0 - 30.0      ;D

Testosterone Biodisponible

* 645.0 ng/dL                                        98.0 - 590.0

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin

 23.4 nmol/L                                              11.2 - 78.1

Alb˙min

 3.8 g/dL                                                  3.0 - 5.0

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Re: Clomid Alternatives that work on Hypothalamus
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2016, 06:33:04 pm »