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Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« on: January 25, 2012, 04:35:00 am »
Basics:  Mid 40ís. I've been struggling off-and-on with ED for about 7 years. Started using Cialis:  Boom!  Miraculous.  It's still pretty impressive, but I've noted in the last year or so that my ability to "stay" hard is diminished--and it's hard to get my erection back when I lose it.  Huge bummer!

Went to my doc.  I love my doc by the way. He gave me all the pros and cons of TRT and wasn't pushing it--just educating.  Turns out my Total Testosterone was 529 and the Free Testosterone was 12.7.  Although not optimal, that's also apparently not good enough to qualify for therapy coverage by my insurance policy.  I know I could pay for it, but I'm of the mind that approaching this naturally is something I should try before jumping into TRT.

So I've decided to modify my diet in accord with your suggestions--and to try out some of the other supplements you identify.  On the advice of Dr. Al Sears' "The 13th Secret," I've also started drinking the following cocktail each day:

-8oz water, 4oz orange juice
-5g L-Arginine powder
-3g A-AKG powder
-1.5g L-Citrulline
-I also add a packet of Splenda

Is there any reason why the above is, in your opinion, good or bad?  I'd love input.

The other question:  I'm considering buying the ImmunPlex Undenatured Whey Protein you mention.  After I read what you wrote about exitotoxins being in typical whey proteins, I went out and bought  Vega Sport's Natural Plant Based Performance Protein--the chocolate flavor that contains cocoa powder, but now I'm concerned about the Aspartic Acid and Glutamic Acid you mention as being bad.  The only problem is that both of those things are also in the ImmunPlex product you recommend.  If you go to this link http://vegasport.com/recover/performance-protein and click on "Key Ingredients & Supplement Facts," you can look if over if you will.  Is this product going to work with building my erectile strength or against it?


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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 03:01:01 pm »
I agree with what you said about the T.  Your levels are respectable and you should be able to boost it a little through lifestyle as well.  HRT takes up quite a bit of expense and time and has the potential for side effects, etc. 

My two cents:  that's quite a bit of Arginine.  If it works for you great, but I'm cautious about Arginine - although I take a little each day (1.5 or 2 g) - due to the fact it changes nitrogen levels.  I don't want to help any of the silent and nasty critters in our body, eh?

Also, why not pomegranate or beet root juice instead of the orange juice?  These can be purchased in a more natural form than OJ, which is heavily processed. 

Have you read my links on cialis/viagra resistance?  This is a problem for a significant number of guys and it seems you may be falling into that?

Here are a few links to read on if you think it applies:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Viagra_Resistance
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Cialis_Dependency
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Why_Doesnt_Viagra_Work

Pycnogenol, the above juices and Ginseng (Korean) are quite powerful.

Discuss everything with your doc before making any changes of course!  Pomegranate juice can, for example, interact with certain medications (by changing absorption rates).
« Last Edit: January 25, 2012, 03:02:51 pm by PeakT »
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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2012, 03:01:01 pm »


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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2012, 06:10:47 pm »
Just bought Pomegranate Juice --not the mixtures or from concentrates--this morning at my neighborhood Sprouts Market, and I was planning on zipping over to the Whole Foods to pick up everything else I need--including the Beetroot Juice.

I've not yet read your comments on cialis/viagra resistance.  I'll check it out.

Yes, I also bought some Pycnogenol this morning and plan to include it in my daily supplements.  I'll pick up the Korean Ginseng at Whole Foods.

Comment - I'm going to have a difficult time truly moving off of any meats, but what I've decided to do is increase my protein just a bit with the denatured whey you describe and maybe some egg whites, then inch back from meat--while adding all the other stuff you recommend.

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« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2012, 04:37:08 pm »
See how you feel.  Most (middle-aged) guys can notice a difference right away as they dial back the meat and dial up things like whey and egg whites as a protein source.  You'll have to try it for your yourself though and see how you feel. 

Sounds like your U.S. based and, if so, Trader Joe's has all the juices you are mentioning within a few feet of each other and at a reasonable price.
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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2012, 05:49:42 pm »
I picked up the juice at Trader Joe's, but I noticed the label said Beet/Purple Carrot Juice--not Beetroot.  Same thing?

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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2012, 06:56:34 pm »
Actually, they've combined two juices.  So it's not ideal since they purple carrot has not been studied as much.  In general, the brightly colored veges are beneficial, but you have know until they look at things in more detail.

For example, check out this study:

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf073494t
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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2012, 08:45:08 pm »
I guess I was primarily pointing out that the juice doesn't read "Beetroot/Purple Carrot," but instead "Beet/Purple Carrot."  Does beet basically equal beetroot?

Read the article.  It appears to suggest that carrot reduces endothelial inflammation (good), but reduces NO.  (That's not good, right?)

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« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 09:17:45 pm »
1) My understanding is that they (beet and beetroot) are the same and packed with nitrates - oh yeah!

2) Potentially that's not good, but you have to realize that they are talking about "iNO" and not "eNO".  For example, iNOS, which is a litlte different animal, is used by macrophages and eNOS is the enzyme specifically by the bod for the arteries, etc.  However, it's actually quite complex.  For example, look at this:

http://www.jhep-elsevier.com/article/S0168-8278(02)00271-4/abstract

And, yes, now I'm a little cautious about the stuff at Trader Joe's.
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: Supplements and Whey and T Levels
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2012, 09:17:45 pm »