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Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 06:58:55 pm »
Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

If you did really good initially, one theory out there is that you may have too high of a dose.  You could try going lower.  Also, you want to pull your DHT, because sometimes on TRT, DHT isn't quite where you want it to be.
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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2016, 06:58:55 pm »


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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2016, 07:06:59 pm »
Do you have the lab ranges and stuff?
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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 07:10:11 pm »
Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

If you did really good initially, one theory out there is that you may have too high of a dose.  You could try going lower.  Also, you want to pull your DHT, because sometimes on TRT, DHT isn't quite where you want it to be.

My DHT I think is ok, because I have little bit acne and oily skin, my T is not so high that dose will be to big. Prolactin also always was in normal ranges. I think it can be something else, maybe DHEAS?

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2016, 07:10:11 pm »


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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2016, 07:13:23 pm »
Do you have the lab ranges and stuff?

Ragnges: E2 is: 0-150pmol/l, T is: 200 - 1000ng/dl, cortisol: 118 - 618nmol/l, progesterone: 0,9-4nmol/l.

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2016, 09:41:28 pm »
Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

If you did really good initially, one theory out there is that you may have too high of a dose.  You could try going lower.  Also, you want to pull your DHT, because sometimes on TRT, DHT isn't quite where you want it to be.

My DHT I think is ok, because I have little bit acne and oily skin, my T is not so high that dose will be to big. Prolactin also always was in normal ranges. I think it can be something else, maybe DHEAS?

DHEA-S sure.  Also, you really need a 4 point cortisol saliva test to test cortisol.  What did you have done?
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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2016, 03:13:06 am »
Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

If you did really good initially, one theory out there is that you may have too high of a dose.  You could try going lower.  Also, you want to pull your DHT, because sometimes on TRT, DHT isn't quite where you want it to be.

My DHT I think is ok, because I have little bit acne and oily skin, my T is not so high that dose will be to big. Prolactin also always was in normal ranges. I think it can be something else, maybe DHEAS?

DHEA-S sure.  Also, you really need a 4 point cortisol saliva test to test cortisol.  What did you have done?

I have done my morning cortisol test. How about dopamine, should I check this also? What you feel when your DHEAS is too low?

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2016, 02:55:40 pm »
Hello all, started sustanon 250mg 1x week, after 3month I have  T: 900ng/dl (normal), E2: 80pmol/l (normal), progesterone 2nmo/l (normal). With thyroid everything ok, cortisol 419nmol/l (normal).  When I start TRT after mont few days libido was unbelievable high, but only few days, all other times very bad. What else I should to check?

If you did really good initially, one theory out there is that you may have too high of a dose.  You could try going lower.  Also, you want to pull your DHT, because sometimes on TRT, DHT isn't quite where you want it to be.

My DHT I think is ok, because I have little bit acne and oily skin, my T is not so high that dose will be to big. Prolactin also always was in normal ranges. I think it can be something else, maybe DHEAS?

DHEA-S sure.  Also, you really need a 4 point cortisol saliva test to test cortisol.  What did you have done?

I have done my morning cortisol test. How about dopamine, should I check this also? What you feel when your DHEAS is too low?

I felt greatly increased anxiety.

A one point non salivary cortisol pull doesnt give you a complete picture, especially if you are having fatigue and mental fog.
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If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2016, 04:03:59 pm »
Hmm I feel anxiety.

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2016, 04:05:51 pm »
Also I was use arimidex, before TRT, and only one arimidex increase my libido, my erecton was strong, but it gets my heart problems, so I stop use it. I try aromasin, and letrozole, but this few AI's not increase my libido.

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2016, 08:14:58 pm »
Also I was use arimidex, before TRT, and only one arimidex increase my libido, my erecton was strong, but it gets my heart problems, so I stop use it. I try aromasin, and letrozole, but this few AI's not increase my libido.
Hmmm.  Not sure that has to do with the AI involved necessarily...
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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2016, 01:04:56 pm »
Ok I do my labs again, test is High, E2 is normal low, DHEA is normal high... so WTF?!?!? Where is my libidio???

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2016, 01:39:55 pm »
This would contradict your positive experience with the AI, but if estradiol was measured via immunoassay rather than LC/MS/MS then there's a good chance the actual value is lower. This could potentially contribute to lack of libido. See here, for example.

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Elevated serum estradiol is associated with increased libido in men receiving testosterone supplementation therapy (TST), according to researchers.
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Age: 60, Ht: 5'10", Wt: 154 lbs
Protocol: 3.2 mg TE subQ qd, 2.4 mg TP subQ qd, 20 mcg GnRH subQ 5.25x/d, 6.25 mg DHEA bid, 12.5 mg enclomiphene qod
Approximate levels (peak): TT: 700 ng/dL, E2: 30 pg/mL, DHEA-S: 300 ug/dL, SHBG: 30 nMol/L

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2016, 05:08:51 pm »
Can it be nervous system problem? I feel tense, stress. I think my symphatetic nervous system is overactive, maybe is some supplements tu reduce it?

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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2016, 06:19:07 am »
Ok I do my labs again, test is High, E2 is normal low, DHEA is normal high... so WTF?!?!? Where is my libidio???

Sorry, super low estradiol could lead to heart palpitations.  What I meant to say is that I don't know one would lower your estradiol that much more assuming you took the equivalent dosage.  But your doctor should have that down.
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Re: TRT: 12 week, completely no libido, low energy, bad memory, brain fog.
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2016, 06:19:07 am »