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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 01:36:14 pm »
Yeah, that's why guys like Jack Lalanne all die early at 96 or so.

Hey - I admire the guy but I  do think he was he was an outlier, who may have hit the jackpot his DNA.   Not to mention he was short, only 5'6".   Being short seems to
help people live longer for some reason.    There was some study (I need to find the link) that found the longest-lived veterans were shorter on average.

I thought it had to do with IGF-1?
taller guys have higher levels IGF-1


http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/height_and_longevity_the_research_is_clear_being_tall_is_hazardous_to_your.html

Tall people rarely live exceptionally long lives. Japanese people who reach 100 are 4 inches shorter, on average, than those who are 75. The countries in the taller half of Europe have 48 centenarians per million, compared to 77 per million in the shorter half of the continent......

Thanks for sharing that.   Interesting read - never seen that one before.   Not just IGF-1, but taller folks have more cells, which leads to a greater chance of mutation, etc.    Like this simple
analogy states:

The fact that tall people die younger appears to be an immutable physical reality. A short person is like a Honda Civic: compact and efficient. Tall people are Cadillac Escalades. With all that extra weight and machinery, something’s just bound to go wrong

A bit speculative,  but it goes with other stuff I've read.   

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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2016, 01:38:59 pm »
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat
http://www.askmen.com/news/sports/dads-with-dad-bods-are-more-attractive-and-live-longer-according-to-study.html

The podgy dad has a better immune system, is less likely to suffer from heart attacks or prostate cancer and, weirdly, is apparently more attractive to women.

I am very skeptical:  there are no chunky supercultures. 

The on thing I have read is that some fat gives you a reserve if you ever get ultra sick or suffer trauma.

"Studies" such as this are likely similar to other false studies we've been brainwashed with throughout the last 20 years.  It is clear to me that Western culture is extremely de-masculinizing while at the same time pushing feminism.  Feminists don't want to feel insecure by a mate that looks far better than they do.  They also don't want to do what is necessary to stay in shape and look half-way decent.  This is why we are now seeing categories such as "big and beautiful" which is an absolute oxymoron.  This is why we are seeing plus-sized "models" on the front of magazines.  Don't fall for it and don't give in to the bullshit.  Elitists that practically OWN the country want a weak-minded and weak-willed population....especially the males.  If anything the REAL trend these days is FOR fitness and lean bodies. The gyms in my area have NEVER been so packed as they are now. Yoga, Crossfit, Mud Runs and fitness Boot Camps have been sprouting up like crazy. This is why the USA as a whole has actually stopped it's progression as the most obese country on earth.  I would not be surprised if these ridiculous "studies" are being put out due to the recent statistics.  After all, obesity is a huge moneymaker for the Elites/Special interests. A healthy population doesn't benefit them at all so it really is as simple as following the money...

Being a fat guy with no motivation other than to be consistent with watching TV and eating pizza after work isn't what society should shoot for IMO.   The only women that find that attractive are those who are unmotivated and who want to feel secure at the same time which is EXACTLY the type of woman I want nothing to do with....

You shouldn't view all of evolutionary history through the lens of what has become the beauty norm for only the last 100 year or so, when famine and malnourishment was almost eliminated in the western world. Up until then extra fat was looked upon in women as the ability to survive famine and still successfully reproduce. And being overweight in men was a sign of wealth, being able to provide food for wives and children. Look at the depiction of beauty in art from the Greeks through the late 19th century. Of course this only applies to societies based on agriculture, not the super cultures Peak mentions. There have also been studies that show that our genome has already made some adaptations to an agricultural way of life, which means we a genetically different than the super-cultures. 



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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2016, 02:29:41 pm »

You shouldn't view all of evolutionary history through the lens of what has become the beauty norm for only the last 100 year or so, when famine and malnourishment was almost eliminated in the western world. Up until then extra fat was looked upon in women as the ability to survive famine and still successfully reproduce. And being overweight in men was a sign of wealth, being able to provide food for wives and children. Look at the depiction of beauty in art from the Greeks through the late 19th century. Of course this only applies to societies based on agriculture, not the super cultures Peak mentions. There have also been studies that show that our genome has already made some adaptations to an agricultural way of life, which means we a genetically different than the super-cultures.

exactly
we cant sum up 2 different desires with one view
what is healthier is not  always attractive

but come on, look at chris pratt,  the right is more attractive AND more healthy


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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 04:36:43 pm »
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat
http://www.askmen.com/news/sports/dads-with-dad-bods-are-more-attractive-and-live-longer-according-to-study.html

The podgy dad has a better immune system, is less likely to suffer from heart attacks or prostate cancer and, weirdly, is apparently more attractive to women.

I am very skeptical:  there are no chunky supercultures. 

The on thing I have read is that some fat gives you a reserve if you ever get ultra sick or suffer trauma.

And you know this, how?   Have you seen any indications of avg weight/height/BMI/% of body fat among these cultures?    I believe the average longest-lived, the Okinawans, were
short, the male averaging around 4'10".   I've seen other studies indicating that one possible common attribute of long-lived people past 100 were that they were short. 

The thing is - these super cultures books such as the Blue Zones miss a ton of confounding possibilities.  If I remember, the one thing about the blue zones identified in the book were that
they had a very mild climate, with a longer growing season, with little, or minimal winter weather, and typically lived in a more remote locale, hilly or mountainous.     

Hey, I admit we don't know everything about them.  But are you suggesting that the Hunza, Okinawans, Tarahumara, Abkhinasians and Vilcabambans were overweight in any way shape or form just because I can't produce a BMI chart for them?  Yes, I've seen pictures of all of them and they do NOT look like modern Americans.  Again, it's possible a little fat may help out and perhaps these people had a little fat around their midsection.  4 of the 5 had LOTS of exercise built into their life and 4 of the 5 ate much lower calorie levels than us.  Sorry, but no way they look like modern American if that is what you are saying - I don't believe it.  And, if you're not saying that, sorry I missed your point.

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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 07:16:56 pm »
The original article makes it sound like "dad bods" are more appealing because the men are less appealing to other women:

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This appears to be because a pudgy man is more likely to stay loyal and be a good father than to shop around, which, in turn, makes him appealing to women.
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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2016, 08:27:21 pm »
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat
http://www.askmen.com/news/sports/dads-with-dad-bods-are-more-attractive-and-live-longer-according-to-study.html

The podgy dad has a better immune system, is less likely to suffer from heart attacks or prostate cancer and, weirdly, is apparently more attractive to women.

I am very skeptical:  there are no chunky supercultures. 

The on thing I have read is that some fat gives you a reserve if you ever get ultra sick or suffer trauma.

And you know this, how?   Have you seen any indications of avg weight/height/BMI/% of body fat among these cultures?    I believe the average longest-lived, the Okinawans, were
short, the male averaging around 4'10".   I've seen other studies indicating that one possible common attribute of long-lived people past 100 were that they were short. 

The thing is - these super cultures books such as the Blue Zones miss a ton of confounding possibilities.  If I remember, the one thing about the blue zones identified in the book were that
they had a very mild climate, with a longer growing season, with little, or minimal winter weather, and typically lived in a more remote locale, hilly or mountainous.     

Hey, I admit we don't know everything about them.  But are you suggesting that the Hunza, Okinawans, Tarahumara, Abkhinasians and Vilcabambans were overweight in any way shape or form just because I can't produce a BMI chart for them?  Yes, I've seen pictures of all of them and they do NOT look like modern Americans.  Again, it's possible a little fat may help out and perhaps these people had a little fat around their midsection.  4 of the 5 had LOTS of exercise built into their life and 4 of the 5 ate much lower calorie levels than us.  Sorry, but no way they look like modern American if that is what you are saying - I don't believe it.  And, if you're not saying that, sorry I missed your point.

I'm not saying that they were overweight, but yes, I've seen pictures and not all I've seen were exactly lean machines, some were pretty solid looking folks, much bigger than me for sure.   I think we are looking at different cultures here, for example, I'm including Ikaria, Sardinia, and Costa Rica.     Not all of these societies were low-fat, in-fact Buettner describe the majority as moderate fat.
Ikarians for example, routinely ate goat milk/cheese/yogurt, olive oil, fish (average 2x a week), and goat meat a few times a month.   

The thing is is that they mostly grew their own food, they lived pastoral rural lives, a lot of socialization, a lot of 'mindless' exercise (walking, gardening, working outside), etc.

I think here in the US we've gotten so obsessed (AND stressed) about the perfect diet or the perfect exercise regimen that we've lot sight of the bigger picture. 

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2016, 02:05:42 am »
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat
http://www.askmen.com/news/sports/dads-with-dad-bods-are-more-attractive-and-live-longer-according-to-study.html

The podgy dad has a better immune system, is less likely to suffer from heart attacks or prostate cancer and, weirdly, is apparently more attractive to women.

I am very skeptical:  there are no chunky supercultures. 

The on thing I have read is that some fat gives you a reserve if you ever get ultra sick or suffer trauma.

And you know this, how?   Have you seen any indications of avg weight/height/BMI/% of body fat among these cultures?    I believe the average longest-lived, the Okinawans, were
short, the male averaging around 4'10".   I've seen other studies indicating that one possible common attribute of long-lived people past 100 were that they were short. 

The thing is - these super cultures books such as the Blue Zones miss a ton of confounding possibilities.  If I remember, the one thing about the blue zones identified in the book were that
they had a very mild climate, with a longer growing season, with little, or minimal winter weather, and typically lived in a more remote locale, hilly or mountainous.     

Hey, I admit we don't know everything about them.  But are you suggesting that the Hunza, Okinawans, Tarahumara, Abkhinasians and Vilcabambans were overweight in any way shape or form just because I can't produce a BMI chart for them?  Yes, I've seen pictures of all of them and they do NOT look like modern Americans.  Again, it's possible a little fat may help out and perhaps these people had a little fat around their midsection.  4 of the 5 had LOTS of exercise built into their life and 4 of the 5 ate much lower calorie levels than us.  Sorry, but no way they look like modern American if that is what you are saying - I don't believe it.  And, if you're not saying that, sorry I missed your point.

I'm not saying that they were overweight, but yes, I've seen pictures and not all I've seen were exactly lean machines, some were pretty solid looking folks, much bigger than me for sure.   I think we are looking at different cultures here, for example, I'm including Ikaria, Sardinia, and Costa Rica.     Not all of these societies were low-fat, in-fact Buettner describe the majority as moderate fat.
Ikarians for example, routinely ate goat milk/cheese/yogurt, olive oil, fish (average 2x a week), and goat meat a few times a month.   

The thing is is that they mostly grew their own food, they lived pastoral rural lives, a lot of socialization, a lot of 'mindless' exercise (walking, gardening, working outside), etc.

I think here in the US we've gotten so obsessed (AND stressed) about the perfect diet or the perfect exercise regimen that we've lot sight of the bigger picture.

Okay, Croaker - now I see what you are saying.  I didn't bring up low fat but only the Tarahumara are low fat by the definition you and I are talking about.  The other cultures, though, were all lower fat, i.e. less than Mediterranean and certainly less than the typical American.  And I'm not saying these cultures all had 6-pack abs, but they were definitely on the lean side. 

And all of the above were flexitarians, i.e. ate smallish amounts of meat.  But let's don't wrangle over that right now or we'll derail the thread more than we already have.
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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2016, 05:40:46 am »
The original article makes it sound like "dad bods" are more appealing because the men are less appealing to other women:

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This appears to be because a pudgy man is more likely to stay loyal and be a good father than to shop around, which, in turn, makes him appealing to women.

exactly
a dad bod is appealing  becuse the woman doesnt have to work hard to keep you and your options to cheat are practically, so its NOT that a dad bod is more attractive/healthy, but the  woman doesnt have to reach higher standards herself when she dates a lower class male(with a dad bod)

reminds me of seinfield
"I'd rather be dating the blind. You know, you could let the house go. You could let yourself go. A good looking blind woman doesn't even know you're not good enough for her."
    "I think she'd figure it out."
    - George and Elaine, in "The Wink"


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Re: lowT, ala dad bod live longer and less cancer?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2016, 04:41:23 am »



"Studies" such as this are likely similar to other false studies we've been brainwashed with throughout the last 20 years.

I saw no "studies"
you did?  woulda link me to the ones you saw?

LOLz nice rant, but beyond thinking the elites are against us.   overeating is common and people dont want to better themselves
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat


exactly, well summed up

There is a reason I put "studies" inside quotation marks....there are no LEGIT studies that prove this.  They are complete and utter BS.  You are correct that overeating is common and people don't want to better themselves.  However, the media and big business empower the general population to embrace laziness, accept themselves (even if they are a fat slob), etc..  People will believe and embrace whatever information that enables them to avoid anything difficult...including a reasonable diet and exercise routine. 
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2016, 04:54:19 am »
Im not buying this crap
people just want an excuse to be fat
http://www.askmen.com/news/sports/dads-with-dad-bods-are-more-attractive-and-live-longer-according-to-study.html

The podgy dad has a better immune system, is less likely to suffer from heart attacks or prostate cancer and, weirdly, is apparently more attractive to women.

I am very skeptical:  there are no chunky supercultures. 

The on thing I have read is that some fat gives you a reserve if you ever get ultra sick or suffer trauma.

"Studies" such as this are likely similar to other false studies we've been brainwashed with throughout the last 20 years.  It is clear to me that Western culture is extremely de-masculinizing while at the same time pushing feminism.  Feminists don't want to feel insecure by a mate that looks far better than they do.  They also don't want to do what is necessary to stay in shape and look half-way decent.  This is why we are now seeing categories such as "big and beautiful" which is an absolute oxymoron.  This is why we are seeing plus-sized "models" on the front of magazines.  Don't fall for it and don't give in to the bullshit.  Elitists that practically OWN the country want a weak-minded and weak-willed population....especially the males.  If anything the REAL trend these days is FOR fitness and lean bodies. The gyms in my area have NEVER been so packed as they are now. Yoga, Crossfit, Mud Runs and fitness Boot Camps have been sprouting up like crazy. This is why the USA as a whole has actually stopped it's progression as the most obese country on earth.  I would not be surprised if these ridiculous "studies" are being put out due to the recent statistics.  After all, obesity is a huge moneymaker for the Elites/Special interests. A healthy population doesn't benefit them at all so it really is as simple as following the money...

Being a fat guy with no motivation other than to be consistent with watching TV and eating pizza after work isn't what society should shoot for IMO.   The only women that find that attractive are those who are unmotivated and who want to feel secure at the same time which is EXACTLY the type of woman I want nothing to do with....

You shouldn't view all of evolutionary history through the lens of what has become the beauty norm for only the last 100 year or so, when famine and malnourishment was almost eliminated in the western world. Up until then extra fat was looked upon in women as the ability to survive famine and still successfully reproduce. And being overweight in men was a sign of wealth, being able to provide food for wives and children. Look at the depiction of beauty in art from the Greeks through the late 19th century. Of course this only applies to societies based on agriculture, not the super cultures Peak mentions. There have also been studies that show that our genome has already made some adaptations to an agricultural way of life, which means we a genetically different than the super-cultures.

There are still countries that view fatter men and women as more desirable....third world countries such as the Philippines.  The reason is simple, fat and pasty (not tanned) = money.  It doesn't mean more healthy, it means having the financial means to eat whatever they want and not work outside in the sun.  You will also find that a good percentage of these fortunate fat people have diabetes from their diet and lack of activity.  While poor people obviously have their own health issues due to not being able to afford nutrient-rich food, they DON'T have diabetes caused by their lazy lifestyles and the abundance of bad foods that the richer in their society choose to eat instead of healthy options.  Yes, the poor and unfortunate have health issues and die younger due to being malnourished.  However,  the rich, fortunate ALSO have health issues and die younger due to their choice to eat all the wrong things and to be lazy/inactive. 
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« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2016, 10:59:27 am »
Yes, the poor and unfortunate have health issues and die younger due to being malnourished.  However,  the rich, fortunate ALSO have health issues and die younger due to their choice to eat all the wrong things and to be lazy/inactive.


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where did you come up with that factoid?>

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