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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2017, 01:18:00 am »
I think we kicked that trouble maker years ago..   what was his name Peak?   Remember who I'm talking about?

Nope.  Sorry no idea.  Not sure where you are headed.
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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 09:08:54 am »
Not headed anywhere,  just have to get back into the way we communicate here I guess.  I'm too social media right now:-).   There was a guy years ago who was causing trouble that would demean people.   I'll get more serious from now on.

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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2017, 10:26:12 am »
Not headed anywhere,  just have to get back into the way we communicate here I guess.  I'm too social media right now:-).   There was a guy years ago who was causing trouble that would demean people.   I'll get more serious from now on.

Sorry, Sam, didn't mean to get too serious.  If you mean that you felt I was demeaning, my apologies.  Didn't mean that - I am just passionate about free speech for scientists, especially with the qualifications of these individuals. 

I hold science in a very high regard.  Some may argue too high of a regard, but I don't think so.  But imo:  first science; then politics.  It's an important subject to me, and so that is why I posted about it in this board that is specifically about science.

Look, that's the kind of person I am.  I get very upset when I see the FDA squashing compounding pharmacies.  I get very upset when I see the medical boards squashing self-testing and other medical freedoms.  I post some about our new Survellance State.  And I get very upset when I see scientists of this caliber getting censored.  I always expect people on this board to say, "Bastards!  I am going to write my senator and congressman!"  But I almost never get any comments or anyone saying anything. 

So I hope that somehow I am at least raising awareness in my own small way. I do it just because I think it is the right thing to do.  I hate arguing - it's not my nature - and I find it very disturbing.  But I also can't live with myself if I don't at least say something, so I do it anyway. 

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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2017, 05:44:44 pm »
I wasn't directing my comment at you at all.   I was just referring to the guy who I recall was a stalker and you kicked him then he came back. etc etc.    Your lucky to have only had 1 or 2 bad eggs on this forum.

As for your passion etc.   I think it's great and I agree with you.   I just think our academic institutions and political systems have gone too far to ever get back to the point where I trust them to provide scientifically sound/well-vetted, unbiased perspectives.   I think the analytical sciences still do and the pure sciences certainly but the applied sciences have been perverted by lots of people who couldn't pass college level chemistry courses and now they are advising our politicians on public policy.     Many of these individuals never learned to appreciate the purity of the core sciences and are really just Wall Street Persona's in lab coats.   Looking to make a name for themselves and leverage it for a cush job or consulting gig making big bucks.

Meanwhile, the rest of us have to sift through garbage science to figure out what the real risks are and what science should be advising and doing in a proactive meaningful way.

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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2017, 02:19:00 am »
I wasn't directing my comment at you at all.   I was just referring to the guy who I recall was a stalker and you kicked him then he came back. etc etc.    Your lucky to have only had 1 or 2 bad eggs on this forum.

As for your passion etc.   I think it's great and I agree with you.   I just think our academic institutions and political systems have gone too far to ever get back to the point where I trust them to provide scientifically sound/well-vetted, unbiased perspectives.   I think the analytical sciences still do and the pure sciences certainly but the applied sciences have been perverted by lots of people who couldn't pass college level chemistry courses and now they are advising our politicians on public policy.     Many of these individuals never learned to appreciate the purity of the core sciences and are really just Wall Street Persona's in lab coats.   Looking to make a name for themselves and leverage it for a cush job or consulting gig making big bucks.

Meanwhile, the rest of us have to sift through garbage science to figure out what the real risks are and what science should be advising and doing in a proactive meaningful way.

Okay got it.  And absolutely Sam that science has been corrupted.  I realize you know this in much greater detail than I can.  However, even a layman like myself can read Rwtraction Watch andvthe PLOS and get an idea of the magnitude of this corruption.

However, in the case of Climate Change, I think the science is very solid.  Furthermore, even if it was lowvprobability, why would we risk it?  This is Pascal's Wager but in reverse!
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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2017, 08:17:06 am »
That's a policy statement.  Maybe time will prove you right. At one point chemo was the only way to treat cancer also.

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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2017, 08:05:21 pm »
Tucker Carlson and Bill Nye interview on a Fox News.   I am not a fan of Tucker and find his style annoying but this is actually one of the best examples of the fundamental problems with this debate.   It's hard to watch Bill Nye not be able to acknowledge what Tucker is saying cannot be disputed because it hasn't been specifically studied.  Climate change proponents have no interest n taking the research further because the current state supports the conclusion they want.

Towards the end Tucker says to Bill that he is making a political comment and not a science comment and also acknowledges that he believes in the science.     I'm not trying to stoke the fire here but in the spirit of this forum discuss the gap that exists between these and the question if there is room for more science.

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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2017, 08:14:38 pm »

However, in the case of Climate Change, I think the science is very solid.  Furthermore, even if it was lowvprobability, why would we risk it?

We should be very afraid of government solutions to this problem.  I personally am much more afraid of a govt solution that causes economic chaos than I am of global warming.  I will also harken back to my problem with taxes.  What is all that money that the USA pledged in all of the climate agreements doing?  Where's the accountability for those billions of dollars?  And has all of that money done anything to improve global warming?  A bad solution to the problem could be worse than the original problem itself!
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Re: Skeptoid Rips Climate Deniers A New Orifice
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2017, 11:26:20 pm »
I personally am much more afraid of a govt solution that causes economic chaos than I am of global warming.

You should define a problem and the extent of the problem before evaluating solutions to the problem, whatever the problem is. This is just basic common sense.

There is no space for personal opinions here. We can't let emotions cloud our judgment. We have to define the problem by looking at what the evidence and the facts tell us.

I told you in another post that it is the speed of warming that is the most alarming indicator of man-made climate change. A temperature increase of 1C in just 200 years (with most of it in the last 50 years) is unprecedented. Natural cycles take 1000's of years for a 1C temperature change. The warming shows no signs of stopping and we're already seeing some negative consequences for it.

If you look objectively at that evidence and all of the various implications and then conclude that climate change is not something to worry about, then your conclusion directly contradicts the facts.

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2017, 06:25:52 am »
What about this argument?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/15/standard-deviation-the-overlooked-but-essential-climate-statistic/

It doesn't deny the science,  only the way it is being interpreted by omitting important statistical analyses.

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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2017, 07:16:18 pm »
I personally am much more afraid of a govt solution that causes economic chaos than I am of global warming.

You should define a problem and the extent of the problem before evaluating solutions to the problem, whatever the problem is. This is just basic common sense.

There is no space for personal opinions here. We can't let emotions cloud our judgment. We have to define the problem by looking at what the evidence and the facts tell us.

Yes this is precisely why I am terrified of govt action.  They never evaluate the problem and use facts to come to a rational decision.  There was a relevant story in the Wall Street Journal the other day.   It detailed how Germany subsidized diesel cars in order to combat AGW.  Now they are finding that diesel is making things worse, so they are using more subsidies to buy back the diesels that they subsidized in the first place.  Typical example of govt ineptitude, that cost lots of money and did absolutely nothing to help the situation. 
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2017, 06:09:44 am »
I think this is very well written.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/02/28/the-insiders-liberals-are-destroying-the-planet/?utm_term=.9c4d2b4cbf7b

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But the piece did include some very interesting analysis from Anthony Leiserowitz, the director of the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication. The YPCCC, which “conducts research on public climate knowledge” has grouped Americans’ sentiments about global warming into six categories, ranging from “The Alarmed” to “The Dismissives.” Even though I am properly suspicious of anything Yale has to say about global warming, I think Mr. Leiserowitz makes some interesting points. His analysis puts into vivid relief that one group is missing from the spectrum of debate on climate change. There should be an additional category called something like “The Prudent Rationals.” There should be, but there is not — and it is the liberals’ fault.

“The Prudent Rationals” would be comprised of those whose attitudes comport with something like the following: They are generally respectful of the scientific community and are eager to listen to mainstream scientists and researchers. They want to hear from legitimate experts who acknowledge the variables, the uncertainties and, importantly, the mistakes and errors of climate science so far. This group could support a prudent plan to produce measurable benefits, but only if the plan were truly global in scope and the cost seemed to be proportional to the outcome. The “Prudent Rationals” believe it is reasonable to accept that there are consequences for continually pumping gases into the atmosphere. And it seems right that one generation should leave the planet better than they found it for the next generation. But we need to be realistic about technical science and political science. If we can’t act globally to limit these gases, we should be focusing on local pollution, not on plans that unilaterally wreck our economy and impoverish millions – if not billions – for nothing.

The “alarmists” and the “deniers” aren’t really the problem. The problem is that many reasonable voters find it hard to know whom to believe. They are turned off by the hypocrisy of Al Gore and the Learjet liberals, the money-grabbing tactics of the third-world-victim industry and the members of the traditional American left who want to raise everyone’s power bill to enforce a lifestyle they find acceptable, all in exchange for nothing. You don’t have to buy into the suspiciously precise claim by the Democrats that “there is a 97 percent consensus among scientific experts that humans are causing global warming” blah blah blah to believe there is sufficient cause for the world to take prudent collective action in an effort to avoid pollution-induced problems.

Regrettably, this option doesn’t exist because of the actions of hypocrites like President Obama and Al Gore, the shrill phonies from academia and the pious usual suspects on the left.  I blame the liberal political elite, not the scientists, for where we are. Our politicians have not made the case for a practical, beneficial, cost-effective, global plan that would address climate change efficiently and effectively. Oh by the way, President Obama and the Democrats can’t even finalize a trade deal with Asia or Europe, much less come to a global environmental/economic agreement. And it is a scientific fact that unilateral measures by the United States would be insufficient to meet the goals that liberals say must be met in order to avoid global disaster.

There is zero chance that thinking people will capitulate to the Obama/Gore climate change agenda. And why would they? The president and his allies have been wrong about almost everything else.  It will be a cold day … everywhere before Republicans and other fair-minded voters are cowed into submission by the liberal bluster about climate change.

The Democrats’ global-warming “solutions” fit a little too nicely into their tiresome political agenda of class warfare, anti-business regulations and the big government controls they want to force on us. In the meantime, the “Prudent Rationals” have nowhere to go.


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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2017, 10:44:13 am »
Sam:

Science first.  Politics second. 

You are a science guy and you are focusing on everything but that in your posts.  I dont mind:  you're a great poster and I like what you write generally and u r welcome to post whatever you want. But notice that, instead of talking about the science involved, you are talking about everything else.  Thats just not like you.  You always in your hormone posts were very detailed and insightful scientifically.  And I think it is because on this issue, you have allowed politics first and science second. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2017, 02:31:38 pm »
I disagree.   I was actually thinking this isn't the PeakT I remember, but ok.  :-(. 

The simple fact is politics and global warming science are inextricably linked.   To think any differently is like saying there is only one way to eat or TRT causes heart disease.  You can find science that supports either perspective but if you subscribe to one philosophy so strongly you shut down your ability to be objective you lose the ability to grow.

I'll stop posting on the subject.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2017, 06:41:04 pm »
I disagree.   I was actually thinking this isn't the PeakT I remember, but ok.  :-(. 

The simple fact is politics and global warming science are inextricably linked.   To think any differently is like saying there is only one way to eat or TRT causes heart disease.  You can find science that supports either perspective but if you subscribe to one philosophy so strongly you shut down your ability to be objective you lose the ability to grow.

I'll stop posting on the subject.

Well, now you're accusing me and I realize I accused you (of changing).  So I don't want to argue with you - not fun at all - and will lock this thread.
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