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Trying Pellets
« on: April 10, 2013, 07:53:46 pm »
OK, this finally did it for me.

I called and scheduled to have the pellets put in on Monday. I haven't gotten my levels as high as I'd like with 2 tubes (settled in the 500s). It's a pain to deal with every day (I imagine summer will be worse), and now this article.

I am not convinced I can give myself the big ol' intra-muscular injection.

so, pellets it is. I'll let you all know how it goes.

PS: I am actually VERY excited to try this... :)

Also, I'm in week four of no wheat and it's great! I need to get a new update post made...

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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 08:56:35 pm »
JinEE made this comment after he read about the possible cardiovascular issues with the topicals. 

I split it out so hopefully he can weigh in what he though of the procedure and so on.  A couple of thin guys have reported that the procedure can be a little painful if you don't have much bodyfat.  But what's a little discomfort for three months of pretty level testosterone, eh?

Btw, you did check your insurance out, right?  It's pretty expensive.

And i can't remember:  you don't want kids, right?  (I'm asking cuzz sometimes doctors forget to ask.)
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 08:56:35 pm »


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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 10:35:32 pm »
Thanks PeakT,

I'm 43 with two teen-agers and I'm "fixed", so no worries about kids. I even froze some sprem way back when just in case, though I can't remember who has it! LOL

I don't think my insurance will cover it at all. The doc quoted me $500 to do this, and I believe his goal is to test my levels at the four month mark. The nurse seems to think I might get lucky and get 5 months out of this, but I'm betting on four. I have been using two tubes of testim and with the testim coupon and my insurance, that's been costing me about $45 a month, so this treatment at four months (if I get that) will be about $320 more. However, if it can get my levels higher than the topical and I don't have to worry about it every day - it will probably be worth it.

I'm skeptical but optimistic...

Edit: This is encouraging - I will call BCBS tomorrow http://mcgs.bcbsfl.com/?doc=Subcutaneous%20Hormone%20Pellet%20Implants
« Last Edit: April 10, 2013, 11:25:23 pm by jinNE »

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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 03:32:22 am »
Thanks PeakT,

I'm 43 with two teen-agers and I'm "fixed", so no worries about kids. I even froze some sprem way back when just in case, though I can't remember who has it! LOL

I don't think my insurance will cover it at all. The doc quoted me $500 to do this, and I believe his goal is to test my levels at the four month mark. The nurse seems to think I might get lucky and get 5 months out of this, but I'm betting on four. I have been using two tubes of testim and with the testim coupon and my insurance, that's been costing me about $45 a month, so this treatment at four months (if I get that) will be about $320 more. However, if it can get my levels higher than the topical and I don't have to worry about it every day - it will probably be worth it.

I'm skeptical but optimistic...

Edit: This is encouraging - I will call BCBS tomorrow http://mcgs.bcbsfl.com/?doc=Subcutaneous%20Hormone%20Pellet%20Implants

He's giving you a good deal.  One comment though:  I don't think men normally can wait five months for pellets.  Four months may even be pushing it, so if you're int'd,  I'd ask to get tested at some reasonable interim point to make sure you are not going too low (if you can afford it).
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Re: Trying Pellets
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 02:04:02 pm »
Thanks PeakT,

I found out insurance will cover it - AFTER I meet my $2,000 annual deductable. So basically, it's all out of pocket. I do think he's giving me a deal because he has a lot of women doing this, not as many men. I will talk to him about about testing earlier - at least BCBS seems to cover my lab tests...

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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 03:48:44 pm »
Thanks PeakT,

I found out insurance will cover it - AFTER I meet my $2,000 annual deductable. So basically, it's all out of pocket. I do think he's giving me a deal because he has a lot of women doing this, not as many men. I will talk to him about about testing earlier - at least BCBS seems to cover my lab tests...

Well, I admire for spending some cash to improve your health - or at least that's the way I see it.

Women doing pellets?  Tell me more. 
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2013, 12:37:28 pm »
So I got the pellets yesterday. The numbing shot was nasty but then there was no pain during the procedure. However, there was lots of pushing and wiggling back there and it freaked me out. I was afraid he'd push past the numb spot but he didn't. The nurse told me that never happens. I was pretty nervous but now that I know what to expect, I hope it goes easier next time.

He used six 200mg pellets (1,200mg total- does this seem high?) and I'm sealed up with a large clear bandage. There is lots of bleeding, but it is all sealed under this bandage.

Whatever he used for the anesthetic must have been strong, because even at bed time I did't feel anything. However, it wore off and I could not get comfortable and had a crummy night of sleep. Couldn't get up to work out, so came into work early. It hurts to sit. Hopefully this will get better today.

Something has been off this last week - either my T or my E2. Last tested about 6 weeks ago I was at 14 for E2 and I went from two pills a week to one. The doc has told me not to take any Arimidex and will test all my levels in one month. At that time, I will have been off of wheat for 2 months, so I hope to see my insulin and triglycerides drop - we'll see. He left the HCG shots optimal and I think I'll get off them.

Since it takes up to two weeks for the pellets to kick in, I will continue my two tubes of Testim for about 10 days.

I'll post more when I know more. :)

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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2013, 03:36:43 pm »
So I got the pellets yesterday. The numbing shot was nasty but then there was no pain during the procedure. However, there was lots of pushing and wiggling back there and it freaked me out. I was afraid he'd push past the numb spot but he didn't. The nurse told me that never happens. I was pretty nervous but now that I know what to expect, I hope it goes easier next time.

He used six 200mg pellets (1,200mg total- does this seem high?) and I'm sealed up with a large clear bandage. There is lots of bleeding, but it is all sealed under this bandage.

Whatever he used for the anesthetic must have been strong, because even at bed time I did't feel anything. However, it wore off and I could not get comfortable and had a crummy night of sleep. Couldn't get up to work out, so came into work early. It hurts to sit. Hopefully this will get better today.

Something has been off this last week - either my T or my E2. Last tested about 6 weeks ago I was at 14 for E2 and I went from two pills a week to one. The doc has told me not to take any Arimidex and will test all my levels in one month. At that time, I will have been off of wheat for 2 months, so I hope to see my insulin and triglycerides drop - we'll see. He left the HCG shots optimal and I think I'll get off them.

Since it takes up to two weeks for the pellets to kick in, I will continue my two tubes of Testim for about 10 days.

I'll post more when I know more. :)

I wouldn't do the Testim unless your doctor told you to.  Here is why:

1.  The topicals may be dangerous.  See this thread: https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1223.msg11528#msg11528
2.  You won't need it.  Pellets start raising  your testosterone pretty rapidly.
3.  Testim and the other topicals seem to shut down testosterone production in some guys. 

Just let the pellets do their work.

Also, that is low E2 and so I think your doctor is doing the right thing.  I would definitely get tested though per his request.  Let us know what comes of it.

Remember:  there are MANY things that can make us feel subpar.  Keep working on all of your health:  endothelium, immunity, sleep and stress, etc.  No need to be weird about it, but keep making small daily improvements.  In six months you can be a new person if you keep after it...
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 04:39:26 pm »
Thanks PeakT.

I am actively working on ALL of those items you mentioned. He was going to give me a T shot to last for a week while the pellets kick in, then I mentioned I still have Testim and he said to use that. In hindsight, I wish I would have let him give me the shot. This was right after he numbed me though, and the thought of another needle was really not cool. I am already scheduled for blood work in a month - will not miss it.

I hear the pellets take 10 to 14 days to kick in, and I have some travel that I need to be up for. Have you heard differently?

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« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 05:46:56 pm »

I hear the pellets take 10 to 14 days to kick in, and I have some travel that I need to be up for. Have you heard differently?

I think I've got a chart somewhere.  Let me see if I can find that.

Cypionate shots are not painful.  Less than an ant bite.
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 07:38:58 pm »
I've had the shots and they are fine. The numbing shot hurt like hell though, and I was not in a frame of mind to ask for another. :)

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« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 08:21:55 pm »
I've had the shots and they are fine. The numbing shot hurt like hell though, and I was not in a frame of mind to ask for another. :)

Numbing shot??  For cypionate?  The volume of fluid is not that great, especially for weekly, and the needles are small.
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« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 08:40:04 pm »
Sorry, let me clarify.

I was face down on the table with my bare ass in the air, just having had the numbing shot for the pellets. when he suggested I also get a T shot while I was there, I thought my left-over Testim was a much better idea.

Sorry for the visual... :)

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« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 08:49:09 pm »
Sorry, let me clarify.

I was face down on the table with my bare ass in the air, just having had the numbing shot for the pellets. when he suggested I also get a T shot while I was there, I thought my left-over Testim was a much better idea.

Sorry for the visual... :)

Feeling a little vulnerable at that point, eh?  No, that makes more sense...
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Re: Trying Pellets
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2013, 01:38:10 pm »
So I am four days in after having the pellets inserted. I'm still quite sore, and that's keeping me up at night because I can't get comfortable. I decided to do my workout today as I just can't stand not working out that long (I'm still amazed I feel that way about exercise...). I have been using my two tubes of Testim to keep me level while the pellets kick in and I will probably stop using them after Sunday's application.

I am not really noticing a difference yet from just taking Testim. At this time, I'm not sure I'll do them again as suffering from pain from insertion for a week makes me question the whole thing. Perhaps in another week the pain will be gone and I'll be soaring with T and will forget all about this in three months; we'll see. If I went in to see my doc today, I would be asking him to let me do two sub-Q injections on my own a week instead. He doens't do this - only intramuscular. I might be his first case study for the sub-Q...

Perhaps I'm just a bit bitter from the pain in my ass. :)

I'll keep you all posted as things change...

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Re: Trying Pellets
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