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Rogaine and Testosterone
« on: April 12, 2013, 03:18:45 am »
Does Rogaine Foam  lower testosterone?
Or can I use it? Im not losing my hair, but I know the best way to maintain hair is to use it to maintain before you start losing  hair, I'm just concerned it might undo the work Im working on with increasing my testosterone level
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hair_Loss_Male_Pattern_Baldness
« Last Edit: April 12, 2013, 03:20:55 am by watchntv »
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2013, 03:23:05 am »
Well, I don't know about testosterone but I got nasty heart palpitations when I tried the stuff.  I've never had heart palpitations like that, so I really think it was the medication.  And the oral forum is known for doing that:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Arrhythmia  (See #1.)
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2013, 03:26:05 am »
And, by the way, did you know that "topical miinoxidil does not act as an antiandrogen in the flank organ of the golden Syrian Hamster?"  Well, it's true:

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article?articleid=547872
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2013, 07:08:31 am »
And, by the way, did you know that "topical miinoxidil does not act as an antiandrogen in the flank organ of the golden Syrian Hamster?"  Well, it's true:

http://archderm.jamanetwork.com/article?articleid=547872
I have also heard good things about  Nizoral (Ketoconazole).
I dont know what topical minoxidil is?  you mean the foam or the liqiud you apply with the dropper?

antiandrogen = dont allow androgens(like testosterone ) to work/have an effect. 
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2013, 07:21:48 am »
Well, I don't know about testosterone but I got nasty heart palpitations when I tried the stuff.  I've never had heart palpitations like that, so I really think it was the medication.  And the oral forum is known for doing that:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Arrhythmia  (See #1.)

so besides the anecdotal evidence about  you trying...the foam or drops/liquid...you don't know if it effects testosterone levels?
The abstract you site in your page seems to indicate the 5% minoxidil topical foam is safe
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17761356
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2013, 01:22:04 pm »

I have also heard good things about  Nizoral (Ketoconazole).
I dont know what topical minoxidil is?  you mean the foam or the liqiud you apply with the dropper?

antiandrogen = dont allow androgens(like testosterone ) to work/have an effect.

Minoxidil is the generic name for Rogaine.  I think it is a dangerous chemical and I'll tell you why:  it is incredibly powerful and acts on multiple, ultracritical systems and, on top of that, is poorly understood.  It started out as an antihypertensive and they noticed that it promoted hair growth.  Now, instead of trying to understand how it works, they decide to just put it into a bottle and take advantage of it monetarily.  But look at what this stuff affects per Wiki:

"Minoxidil contains the nitric oxide chemical moiety and may act as a nitric oxide agonist."
 
"Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener"

"Causing hyperpolarization of cell membranes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil

The side effects of the oral medication are "Side effects of oral minoxidil may include swelling of the face and extremities, rapid and irregular heartbeat, lightheadedness, cardiac lesions, and focal necrosis of the papillary muscle and subendocardial areas of the left ventricle." As if that wasn't enough, "studies have shown that minoxidil can cause collagen depletion as it is a lysyl hydroxylase inhibitor, an enzyme which is key in collagen production.."

Madness.  Well, I admit that much less is going to absorbed through the scalp, but I just cannot think of any reason to put that into your system.  Just my two cents...
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2013, 01:25:01 pm »
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2013, 09:06:41 pm »
.  Dopamine Antagonists (Chlorpromazine, Compazine, etc.).  Anything that interferes with dopamine levels can easily diminish T levels.  These psychotropics are no exceptions.

what about dopamine agonists?
Im thinking bromocriptine
bromocriptine’s primary mode of action which is as a dopamine 2 (D2) receptor agonist. Bromocriptine is also a weak antagonist at the D1 receptor.  Would this increase Testosterone?
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2013, 09:16:10 pm »

I have also heard good things about  Nizoral (Ketoconazole).
I dont know what topical minoxidil is?  you mean the foam or the liquid you apply with the dropper?
I asked if you meant liquid or foam because I thought they might have different MOAs, absorption, etc
I am not talking about a systemic Minoxidil/Rogaine use, ie not oral.
I am talking about just applying it to the top of the head, but I think it does indeed, as least from what the wiki link says, which confuses me with the The abstract you site in your page seems to indicate the 5% minoxidil topical foam is safe
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17761356

at any rate, I'll be avoiding this stuff,  If I lose my hair, I'll wear a wig...no one will question my authority




Minoxidil is the generic name for Rogaine.  I think it is a dangerous chemical and I'll tell you why:  it is incredibly powerful and acts on multiple, ultracritical systems and, on top of that, is poorly understood.  It started out as an antihypertensive and they noticed that it promoted hair growth.  Now, instead of trying to understand how it works, they decide to just put it into a bottle and take advantage of it monetarily.  But look at what this stuff affects per Wiki:

"Minoxidil contains the nitric oxide chemical moiety and may act as a nitric oxide agonist."
 
"Minoxidil is a potassium channel opener"

"Causing hyperpolarization of cell membranes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoxidil

The side effects of the oral medication are "Side effects of oral minoxidil may include swelling of the face and extremities, rapid and irregular heartbeat, lightheadedness, cardiac lesions, and focal necrosis of the papillary muscle and subendocardial areas of the left ventricle." As if that wasn't enough, "studies have shown that minoxidil can cause collagen depletion as it is a lysyl hydroxylase inhibitor, an enzyme which is key in collagen production.."

Madness.  Well, I admit that much less is going to absorbed through the scalp, but I just cannot think of any reason to put that into your system.  Just my two cents...
“Don’t you feel good when you go to the gym?’ Not at all. There’s too many people in-shape there. When I go to McDonald’s I feel great. At McDonald’s I’m Matthew McConaughey.” --Jim Gaffigan - Mr. Universe

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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2013, 09:30:18 pm »
Yes, I admit not much of the topicals will be absorbed.  But, sorry, it just doesn't seem worth the risk with something this potent.  30 years of small amounts of the stuff may not be good and who's ever going to study it?  Unless testicles start falling off right and left, I don't think they'll ever look at it.
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2013, 12:40:54 am »
Yes, I admit not much of the topicals will be absorbed.  But, sorry, it just doesn't seem worth the risk with something this potent.  30 years of small amounts of the stuff may not be good and who's ever going to study it?  Unless testicles start falling off right and left, I don't think they'll ever look at it.
we are in agreement....less risk to find a random person, invite them to hang out, kill them, transplant their hair to your scalp
if it comes to that, which it won't....I'd never do that...again 8)
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 03:51:32 am »
For a lot of men, the side effects are worth it. In America it's not such a big deal, but in Japan men are more sensitive about it. There are studies showing how it affects things like promotions and especially your attractiveness towards women. It can really affect your life. You can be a little fat and not have such a negative reaction. But if you're bald, it's obvious.
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 04:01:15 am »
For a lot of men, the side effects are worth it. In America it's not such a big deal, but in Japan men are more sensitive about it. There are studies showing how it affects things like promotions and especially your attractiveness towards women. It can really affect your life. You can be a little fat and not have such a negative reaction. But if you're bald, it's obvious.

You still couldn't pay me enough to take Propecia or Minoxidil - nothing is worth losing your testosterone permanently or heart arrythmia (in my case).  But I get your point. 

I've kind of given up on the idea of keep my hair, but if I had the cash, tocotrienols is what I would try first.  It should be pretty safe, although there's not a lot of history there, or at least much safer than the above.  See this if you are interested:

https://www.peaktestosterone.com/forum/index.php?topic=133.30
« Last Edit: April 13, 2013, 04:03:12 am by PeakT »
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
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Re: Rogaine and Testosterone
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2013, 04:10:01 am »
I get some interesting reactions from the local population. They're actually convinced that I'm a buddhist monk. I've even started wearing the big wooden beads to the onsen because it fits the look. They just never ever see bald men unless you're a yakuza or a monk.

http://www.bows-n-ties.com/mens-fashion-tips/fashion-tips-for-bold-men/

I'm just not sure on the style tips for a shaved head man. Normally your colors match your hair, eye and skin color, but what if you have no hair?
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