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pete14

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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 07:50:28 am »
Hi Peak T,

Your site is informative and your peak erectile strength diet book is helpful.

I just recently stopped cialis daily 5mg after taking it for around 2-3 months to treat ED and BPH.

This past week ive been taking citrulline malate 1.5-3mg and pynogenol 100mg, but it seems impossible to get an erection with them. Even added 50mg viagra the other without any success.

But last night i took 5mg cialis without the supplements and got an erection.

What do you think is the problem with citrulline malate and pycnogenol combination?

Thanks


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One more comment:

If Cialis really helped you, then your problem is probably mostly endothelial, i.e. arterial.  So you've got to focus on diet and exercise primarily. Cialis is a big gun in the arterial department and I think most guys over 40 on here would agree that it is the most powerful solution.  The reason usually is that most men in modern cultures have steadily advancing levels of arterial plaque.  This ages the arteries - plaque is a tissue damaging process - and decreases nitric oxide output, elasticity, etc.  Cialis helps you temporarily overcome this effect and buys you some additional time.

But obviously it's super important to clear out the arteries of that plaque as much as possible.  And you have to really watch your diet.  I'm a big believer - but many guys on here don't follow me on this - that saturated fat is bad for one simple reason:  it lowers nitric oxide:

I show a bunch of studies here that show that NO-lowering effect of nitric oxide but guys just don't jump on board for reasons I don't fully understand, but here it is if you are interested:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Saturated_Fat_Nitric_Oxide

Now, by the way, I of course don't know for sure that you have a lot of plaque in your arteries.  If you're in the U.S., then the odds are that you do.  But, as you age, the PDE enzyme situation worsens and so Cialis and other PDE5 inhibitors can help from an anti-aging standpoint, so that could be what is going with you.  But, more than likely, you have plaque if the Cialis is working so well. 

I have lots of information on these two pages to get you started so check them out:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Nitric_Oxide

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/hdr_Arterial_Plaque_Regression

Remember:  exercise lower triglycerides and increase nitric oxide (and dopamine) and lower adrenaline.  All of these are good for erections and good for your arteries as long as you don't overtrain.

And I have a lot of info on diet in the above as well.

Thanks for our reply Peak T. Why do you think citrulline and pycnogenol doesnt work for me?They are supposed to increase nitric oxide.

Thanks for our reply Peak T. Why do you think citrulline and pycnogenol doesnt work for me?They are supposed to increase nitric oxide.

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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 01:21:29 pm »
You can get a two fold problem with some of us the lack of NO substrate(s) (Arg/Cit/Ornithine) and then the enzyme (over)activity that breaks that NO down very rapidly, Thus you add in a PDE5i to stop the breakdown of NO, supplement the NO substrates and you attack ED from both sides working in synergy.

By my experience taking 5g+ of Citrulline it's just not going to counter the breakdown of NO, assuming you have that problem, too.

(I'm just tossing that off the top of my head and not exactly being factual but the principle is correct)

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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 01:21:29 pm »


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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 04:49:15 pm »
I tried Pycnogenol twice and never more than 100mg. It did boost my libido and possibly also erectile function a bit. What I notice while on it was that my nipps were considerably widened during much of the day.
On iherb one female user claimed that it raised her prolactin which she confirmed by labs. My reaction very much fit that.

When I tried arginine and citruline it was impossible for me to gain any kind of erection. No idea what went on. But this seems to be not common at all and I hope you have more success with the 3.

I have tried arginine , citrulline and pycnogenol for a week also. Its impossible to have any erection. do you know whats the cause of this?

Ive been experimenting with citrulline and aginine for a while.  I know that they work at some level but the dosing has been a challenge.  Initially, I began using them to improve the effectiveness of PDE5s at a smaller dose.  I was taking 3,000 mg of citrulline and 1,500 mg of arginine in 3 equal doses per day.  It seemed to be working fine but I wanted harder erections. 

So, I added citrulline malate powder as it is supposedly more effective.  I began taking 2,500-3,000 mg in the am and 3,000 mg usually around dinner time.  Worked VERY well - at first.  Then I began to have more frequent erection failures.  The PDE5s were working well, but their effectiveness would wane very quickly.  For instance, I took 50mg sildenafil which began working in under 10 minutes.  60 minutes later I couldnt perform.  As expected, I was really pissed off and confused. 

I reached out to my new doc and he basically explained that I was over doing it:

"Yes it is a complicated answer but simply the receptors in the body get saturated because you are causing a bolus effect not a natural slow release effect."

In other words, I think I was overloading my body with the citrulline malate when it was unnecessary. 

Even "normal" doses throughout the day appear to be effective for most people. 

Long answer. 

Hope it helps. 

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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2017, 05:08:42 pm »
ALL the PDE5i's have a strategy that has to be employed for effectiveness and if you're not following those guidelines, you will experience a reduced effect. For instance, never take Viagra with food or with anything one your stomach. (Starts working in 10 minutes is false, nothing works that fast). Give it an hour, requires more planning. With Cialis, many men don't see it come to effect for hours, as much as 8 hours after taking it, requires a lot of planning ahead.

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Re: Viagra With Pycnogenol, Arginine and Citrulline Question
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2017, 05:08:42 pm »