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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2017, 01:29:45 am »

He has also prescribed me some metformin to help with insulin resistance and stubborn visceral fat even though I am not per-diabetic in any way. I'm thinking I have a good Dr.

I hope this helps.
Have you taken the metformin yet?  any side FX from it?
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2017, 12:37:46 pm »

He has also prescribed me some metformin to help with insulin resistance and stubborn visceral fat even though I am not per-diabetic in any way. I'm thinking I have a good Dr.

I hope this helps.
Have you taken the metformin yet?  any side FX from it?

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2017, 04:34:15 pm »
Last year my A1C was 5.6, this year 7.0. My Dr. has me using a meter to monitor daily glucose levels. I am finding that most after meal levels are normal (below 140) but before meal levels are really high (above 170, a few above 200). What would this indicate? I had an appointment with a dietitian last week and she did not know.
I asked her about the liver dumping glucose between meals, she did not know.
Trying to change diet
Not overweight
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some exercise

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 01:59:08 am »
Thanks for the info, guys, I appreciate it and will bring it up with my various docs.  I never had A1c tested so of course I will ask about that.  Checking out sleep apnea might be worthwhile, and I will ask my hormone doc about TRT but he seems quite happy with Clomid results at the moment.  Will keep you folks posted.
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Trouble began with abrupt ED Early May '15
Initial T level 130
Started Clomid in hopes of rebooting system June '15
Currently taking 25 mg eod and .25 mg Arimidex every 4 days
T level 480 or so at last reading
ED in check with 2.5 mg Cialis eod and supplements:
POM juice, L-Cit, Pycnogenol

Morning anxiety currently in check with GABA taken every night

Biggest current worry is heart health:
Aortic stenosis (very mild for now)
CAC score 156(!) at age 42
Lp(a) is a shockingly bad 390 nmol/L -- TRIPLE the "extremely high risk" level!
Homozygous for the bad "G" variant of SNP rs10455872, which increases Lp(a) as well as odds for aortic stenosis and coronary artery lesions. 
I think I know what trashed my heart...

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 02:58:24 am »
Last year my A1C was 5.6, this year 7.0. My Dr. has me using a meter to monitor daily glucose levels. I am finding that most after meal levels are normal (below 140) but before meal levels are really high (above 170, a few above 200). What would this indicate? I had an appointment with a dietitian last week and she did not know.
I asked her about the liver dumping glucose between meals, she did not know.
Trying to change diet
Not overweight
No meds
some exercise
Never heard of this before.  I'd love to hear what this is all about when you get it figured out.  This seems darned near impossible! 
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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 02:06:46 pm »
Wow, pretty surprising that none of your doctors have pulled A1C yet. That is standard for diabetes testing/monitoring.  Let us know what you find out.

And remember:  it is not the doctor's final opinion on whether you are satisfied with your T treatment, that is up to you.
Age 51, 5'10, 155 lbs
Cholesterol 162 (HDL 59, LDL 87, Trigs 88, LDL-P 850)
Fasting Glucose 65 (down from 97 pre TRT)
A1C:  5.0 (down from 5.7 per TRT)
Homocysteine:  12.4 > 11.0 > 10.2 > 8.9 using B vitamin therapy.  MTHFR positive 

BP  120/78 (using improved diet and 10 mg Lisinopril ACE Inhibitor)  145/90 prior to meds.

Current protocol:  60 mg Test Cyp IM every 5 days.  No AI.
2/15/17 labs:  Total T (peak day): 1169 (250 - 1100 ng/dl).  Free T 198 pg/ML (46-225).  Sensitive E2: 40 High.  Previously 32. PSA 0.2  Hemocrit 44.2. SHBG: 32
9/15/18 labs:  Total T (trough day):  598 (250 -1100 ng/dl)  Free T 73.9 (46-225) Sensitive E2: 21  Hemocrit 43.7  SHBG 34
2/20/19 labs:  Total T (mid point):  776 (250 -1100 ng/dl) Free T 115.6 (46 - 224 pg/ml) Sensitive E2 24 (<29), DHT 43 (16-79 ng), DHEA-s 244 (70-495 mcg/dl)


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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2017, 12:50:41 am »
Got my A1C checked today and it was 5.6.

My GP doc told me I was "fine", nothing to worry about.

I dunno.  FBG 104 and A1C 5.6?  Maybe if I was pounding Cokes and pizzas on a regular basis, but...  It doesn't look good to me.

And a guy losing 50 or so pounds, going couch potato to moderate exercise, cutting sodas and fast foods, etc and having their FBC go UP?  Something isn't adding up.
43 years old
5'7", was 220 pounds when trouble started, now down to 165
Trouble began with abrupt ED Early May '15
Initial T level 130
Started Clomid in hopes of rebooting system June '15
Currently taking 25 mg eod and .25 mg Arimidex every 4 days
T level 480 or so at last reading
ED in check with 2.5 mg Cialis eod and supplements:
POM juice, L-Cit, Pycnogenol

Morning anxiety currently in check with GABA taken every night

Biggest current worry is heart health:
Aortic stenosis (very mild for now)
CAC score 156(!) at age 42
Lp(a) is a shockingly bad 390 nmol/L -- TRIPLE the "extremely high risk" level!
Homozygous for the bad "G" variant of SNP rs10455872, which increases Lp(a) as well as odds for aortic stenosis and coronary artery lesions. 
I think I know what trashed my heart...

40 mg Crestor and baby aspirin every day
CoQ-10, Vitamin K2, and Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract every day too
Walking 10,000 steps a day

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2017, 11:41:16 am »
Am reading conflicting info about megadosing vitamin c and a1c levels.  Some are saying it can raise them, others are saying it can lower them.  I take a bit over 2000 mg per day.

Anyone ever heard of this?  I guess the only way to really check is discontinue and then test FBG and a1c in three months.

I would feel a lot safer with an a1c of 5.0 or so...
43 years old
5'7", was 220 pounds when trouble started, now down to 165
Trouble began with abrupt ED Early May '15
Initial T level 130
Started Clomid in hopes of rebooting system June '15
Currently taking 25 mg eod and .25 mg Arimidex every 4 days
T level 480 or so at last reading
ED in check with 2.5 mg Cialis eod and supplements:
POM juice, L-Cit, Pycnogenol

Morning anxiety currently in check with GABA taken every night

Biggest current worry is heart health:
Aortic stenosis (very mild for now)
CAC score 156(!) at age 42
Lp(a) is a shockingly bad 390 nmol/L -- TRIPLE the "extremely high risk" level!
Homozygous for the bad "G" variant of SNP rs10455872, which increases Lp(a) as well as odds for aortic stenosis and coronary artery lesions. 
I think I know what trashed my heart...

40 mg Crestor and baby aspirin every day
CoQ-10, Vitamin K2, and Kyolic Aged Garlic Extract every day too
Walking 10,000 steps a day

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2017, 02:16:50 pm »
Well, as you said, 5.6 A1C and 104 FBG isn't ideal, but it is not yet diabetic.  Back to an earlier post, you may want to try berberine as a supplement.  That has been known to move the needle a bit on these numbers. 
Age 51, 5'10, 155 lbs
Cholesterol 162 (HDL 59, LDL 87, Trigs 88, LDL-P 850)
Fasting Glucose 65 (down from 97 pre TRT)
A1C:  5.0 (down from 5.7 per TRT)
Homocysteine:  12.4 > 11.0 > 10.2 > 8.9 using B vitamin therapy.  MTHFR positive 

BP  120/78 (using improved diet and 10 mg Lisinopril ACE Inhibitor)  145/90 prior to meds.

Current protocol:  60 mg Test Cyp IM every 5 days.  No AI.
2/15/17 labs:  Total T (peak day): 1169 (250 - 1100 ng/dl).  Free T 198 pg/ML (46-225).  Sensitive E2: 40 High.  Previously 32. PSA 0.2  Hemocrit 44.2. SHBG: 32
9/15/18 labs:  Total T (trough day):  598 (250 -1100 ng/dl)  Free T 73.9 (46-225) Sensitive E2: 21  Hemocrit 43.7  SHBG 34
2/20/19 labs:  Total T (mid point):  776 (250 -1100 ng/dl) Free T 115.6 (46 - 224 pg/ml) Sensitive E2 24 (<29), DHT 43 (16-79 ng), DHEA-s 244 (70-495 mcg/dl)


Supplements:  Multivitamin, plus additional B12, B6, C, D, K2, Red Yeast Rice, Magnesium, and Coq10  Evening:  Kyolic Garlic, 2mg Cialis, LEF Endothelial Protection

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2017, 05:42:37 pm »
Thanks.

See, it's not that losing weight, cutting sugars, and exercising more didn't lower it ENOUGH, it's that doing those things apparently RAISED it.  That makes advice to lose more weight, cut sugars more, and exercise more seem kind of weak to me (no offense meant).

I feel like there is something I am missing.  More of the stuff that made things worse doesn't make sense to me.

Can statins raise your blood sugar?  Another thing that happened here is that I got on a statin.

Can an increase in dietary fat raise your blood sugar?  When I tell people about my average diet, I sometimes get advice to "be careful" because I'm "not getting enough fat", but I think this is partly a knee-jerk reaction that some people have when they hear you aren't eating much meat.  I eat nuts every day, hummus almost every day, salmon a couple times a week, dip a slice of fresh whole grain bread in spiced olive oil as a treat -- all of this stuff is very very fatty.  I did not previously do these things, and I wonder if I am eating MORE fat than before.

yes you are missing stuff, THE FAT youeat is causing yuo problems


I missed it, what's your bodydat?
get your bodyfat lower, asap

and lower your fat intake



how much fat are you eating?
have you watched WHAT THE HEALTH on netflix? it explains this as does
sugar is not the issue
sugar does not make you fat, fat makes you fat
sugar gets stored as glycogen in liver/muscles/kidneys and get used all the time to maintain blood sugar.etc
when you eat fat, it gets stored as fat
Lyle mcdonald explains it better
https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/


or watch  dr greger MD talk about what the heck causes diabetes(not carbs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4PFR5GZTY
go to 4:20
the answer is FAT causing insulin resistance
eat low fat
veggies/fruit.egg whites and ge tot 15% bodyfat or lower

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2017, 05:44:44 pm »
Last year my A1C was 5.6, this year 7.0. My Dr. has me using a meter to monitor daily glucose levels. I am finding that most after meal levels are normal (below 140) but before meal levels are really high (above 170, a few above 200). What would this indicate? I had an appointment with a dietitian last week and she did not know.
I asked her about the liver dumping glucose between meals, she did not know.
Trying to change diet
Not overweight
No meds
some exercise

weight and bodyfat are not the same thing
get a bodyfat test
"wieght" isnt that useful

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2017, 12:23:18 am »
I am hypothyroid. The thyroid controls metabolism, so when metabolism is controlled by a pill and not the natural thyroid action, things get wacky in a hurry.

As suggested above, get an accurate meter and use it. Understand the fluctuations and what causes them. Strive to keep levels constant. For me, constant BG levels means constant consumption of the same low glycemic index foods, all day long. No surprise there (thyroid inop)



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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2017, 05:24:37 am »
. Strive to keep levels constant. For me, constant BG levels means constant consumption of the same low glycemic index foods

are you saying that due to thyroid, your blood sugar levels goes hyper(above 140) and hypo(below 70)?(to what specific  numbers,) when you dont eat, but stay on your medication for thyroid?


damn, that seems rough, but if so, it would seem that the meds arent working,?

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2017, 02:59:36 am »

sugar does not make you fat, fat makes you fat
sugar gets stored as glycogen in liver/muscles/kidneys and get used all the time to maintain blood sugar.etc

https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/

or watch  dr greger MD talk about what the heck causes diabetes(not carbs)


All the macros are potentially dangerous:  you can't exclude sugar for example.  Examples from the research:

--A higher fat diet will induce insulin resistance

--A higher fructose diet will induce insulin resistance

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Re: How to lower blood sugar?
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2017, 05:54:07 am »

sugar does not make you fat, fat makes you fat
sugar gets stored as glycogen in liver/muscles/kidneys and get used all the time to maintain blood sugar.etc

https://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html/

or watch  dr greger MD talk about what the heck causes diabetes(not carbs)


All the macros are potentially dangerous:  you can't exclude sugar for example.  Examples from the research:

--A higher fat diet will induce insulin resistance

--A higher fructose diet will induce insulin resistance
not really seeing Fructose is used preferentially by the liver and tends not to be as good at refilling muscle glycogen

but yeah, "too much" fructose will make you fat and cause Insulin resistance, but how much is too much?


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