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davidbrian

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Testosterone and my CRP Readings
« on: May 10, 2013, 04:24:33 pm »
Hi Everyone,  First post here.

Ok about 3 years ago is when I got my first reading of Testosterone.  385 total and 16 free. 

Combined with a CRP of 1.79, HDL 37 and Vitamin D of 58

I started taking vitamin D to bring that up higher (it usually dipped below 50 in the winter).  Now my most recent test shows a CRP of 4.6 and my HDL has gone down to 30!  I am able to keep my vitamin D up these days (62 or better).

However my latest T score was 364 total and 13 free.  It actually got worse!  And this is also after taking aspartic acid the two nights prior to the test (which increases my libido and is suppose to increase testosterone).  I had sex two days before the test too.

I am 30 years old, fit (even though I don't work out often), I take a lot of supplements (including whey protein, magnesium, tumeric, probiotics, inulin, multi, fish oil, vitamin d etc), I am the father of two young girls (but that was true 3 years ago too)

Why is my T getting worse instead of better?  Is it the inflammation that is causing the decline?  My protein was also a little high in my blood which might be causing the inflammation.  I am cutting down the whey protein as a result.  I am also going to start taking Rhodiola Rosea and Curcumin Extract 95% as that may help with CRP.

Any suggestions for T, CRP or HDL are appreciated.

Thanks.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2013, 04:58:35 pm by PeakT »

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Re: Testosterone and my CRP Readings
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 04:57:17 pm »
Thx for writing. 

So quick question:  do you have any of the standard symptoms of low testosterone or are you just concerned cuzz you know the level is on the lowish side?

Yes, you really want to manage that inflammation.  As I'm sure you know, CRP is a risk factor for heart disease and erectile dysfunction and many other medical conditions.  There were a few research papers awhile back that characterized inflammation as "the root of all evil" and I absolutely agree with that.  Inflammation is now know to be a root cause of the Big Three Killers:  autoimmune disease, cancer and, as I mentioned, heart disease.  If we got inflammation under control, we could get rid of three fourths of the hospitals in the U.S.

Anyway, here is a link about how to lower inflammation.  I have many ideas in it and studies as well:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Inflammation

Biggies are red tart cherry juice, fish oil, sleep and low glycemic foods.

Also, I have many links on the subject here for some basic background info:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Hdr_Inflammation

Now one thing that many men (and doctors) do not know is that testosterone seems to have an inflammation-lowering effect.  So your testosterone drifting downward is definitely not helping:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_inflammation

I would definitely recommend staying away from the standard wheys.  They are filled with excitotoxins because they are boiled and essentially turned into "MSG" in multigram dosages:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Excitotoxins_Glutamic_Acid

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Testosterone_Monosodium_Glutamate_Excitoxins

If I have whey, I only consume undenatured whey which is not boiled and thus very low in these excitotoxins:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Whey_Undenatured

So what's the big deal with excitotoxins?  Well, read the links, but if you have enough of them they can potentially damage the hypothalamus, most of which is not behind the blood brain barrier.  And, as you probably know, the hypothalamus signals the pituitary which in turn signal the pituitary which in turn signals the testes to make testosterone.

Thus, an injured hypothalamus from excitotoxins could mean secondary hypogonadism, which is what the great majority of men have by the way.

Let us know if you have any questions...

NOTE:  Can you post the HDL issue on another thread?
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Re: Testosterone and my CRP Readings
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Re: Testosterone and my CRP Readings
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 05:35:27 pm »
I am mostly concerned because mine if on the lowish side.  I am a fan of having optimal health.  But I do experience fatigue at times.  Lowish libido at times. 

I will add sweet bing cherries to the mix - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23343675

I looked up what you said about excitotoxins and it doesn't seem true.  Aspartic acid is a natural amino acid so it glutamic acid.  It's good for you.  It is in sprouting seeds, oat flakes, avocado, etc.

In fact I found a undenatured whey protein and it still has aspartic acid at 11%: http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/daily_protein_plus.php

Compare that to another random standard whey where aspartic acid is at 13% (not much difference).  http://www.nutritionexpress.com/supplements/whey+protein/whey+5+pounds/eas+100+whey+protein+chocolate+5+pounds

I will post HDL question elsewhere.

Thanks.


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Re: Testosterone and my CRP Readings
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 06:02:35 pm »

I looked up what you said about excitotoxins and it doesn't seem true.  Aspartic acid is a natural amino acid so it glutamic acid.  It's good for you.  It is in sprouting seeds, oat flakes, avocado, etc.

In fact I found a undenatured whey protein and it still has aspartic acid at 11%: http://www.wellnessresources.com/products/daily_protein_plus.php


You're right:  all wheys (and proteins in general) are packed with both glutamic and aspartic acid.  But the issue is FREE glutamine and FREE aspartic acid.  When you boil the living crap out of whey, which is what they do because it's a fast and easy way to concentrate the protein, it release about 15% of the glutamic acid into the free form.  It is this free form that can hammer your hypothalamus.

This is the same issue with yeast by the way.  Yeast has quite a bit of both and they nuke it in the processing and it becomes "autolyzed yeast extract", which is packed with free glutamine.  They put this in TONS of food products as a tricky way to get MSG into food without the consumer knowing it.  However, consumers are wising up and now they have to be still more subtle which is another subject.

I cannot emphasize how bad this stuff is for you.  Sure, 50 mg is not going to do anything to an adult male.  However, when you consume regular wheys, diet drinks, broths and the larger excitotoxin doses in these,  you are flooding your system with MSG.

I highly recommend Russell Blaylock's The Taste That Kills.  He goes through in great detail all the animals studies that show this and explains plasma conversions for animals to humans.  It's a must read imo...
THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE BOOK ON TRT/TESTOSTERONE:
https://www.amazon.com/Natural-Versus-Testosterone-Therapy-Myer/dp/1523210532/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499116128&sr=8-1&keywords=natural+versus+testosterone+therapy
And check out my New Peak Testosterone Program: http://www.peaktestosterone.com/peak_testosterone_program
If you are on medications or have a medical condition, always check with your doctor first before making any lifestyle changes or taking new supplements.  And low testosterone is a medical condition.

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Re: Testosterone and my CRP Readings
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2013, 06:02:35 pm »