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Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« on: January 05, 2018, 06:19:21 pm »
I've been on TRT for 3 months now and even though my T level is near top of the reference range, I have not experienced faster recovery from workouts or an increase in muscle strength or endurance. What's been bothering me the most is severe DOMS. It is worse than before TRT. Apart from TRT, the only things I have changed is taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement (Enzymedica Enzyme Nutrition Men's multi) daily and drinking home made milk kefir daily. Could any of these things be contributing to my severe DOMS? Is there anything that can be done to reduce DOMS?

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2018, 06:02:39 am »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2018, 08:31:59 am »
I've been on TRT for 3 months now and even though my T level is near top of the reference range, I have not experienced faster recovery from workouts or an increase in muscle strength or endurance. What's been bothering me the most is severe DOMS. It is worse than before TRT. Apart from TRT, the only things I have changed is taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement (Enzymedica Enzyme Nutrition Men's multi) daily and drinking home made milk kefir daily. Could any of these things be contributing to my severe DOMS? Is there anything that can be done to reduce DOMS?

How often are you squatting / deadlifting?   The older you get, the less elastic muscle fibers are, and thus the longer the recovery time between strength training days. 

Also, are you getting enough protein in your diet?   

Personally, and there are some studies to back this up, I have found that a daily Vitamin E supplement, Magnesium supplement, and beet powder supplement helps with both exercise performance and recovery.   That said, there is some evidence that while Vitamin E can reduce muscle and joint soreness, high doses of antioxidants can have a minor impact on gains. 
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2018, 06:20:52 pm »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

Basically, I'm taking 5-6 full days to recover from exactly the same workout that I recovered from in 3 days before TRT and vitamin/mineral supplementation. I'm disappointed that TRT has not given me any workout benefits. No increase in muscle strength or endurance at all.
I have read that antioxidants can actually increase, not decrease recovery time, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2018, 08:56:39 pm »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

Basically, I'm taking 5-6 full days to recover from exactly the same workout that I recovered from in 3 days before TRT and vitamin/mineral supplementation. I'm disappointed that TRT has not given me any workout benefits. No increase in muscle strength or endurance at all.
I have read that antioxidants can actually increase, not decrease recovery time, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

Just wondering how your sleep has been? Sleep plays a huge roll in recovery. Iím wonderimg if something in your protocol has changed your sleep quality.
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2018, 11:27:17 pm »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

Basically, I'm taking 5-6 full days to recover from exactly the same workout that I recovered from in 3 days before TRT and vitamin/mineral supplementation. I'm disappointed that TRT has not given me any workout benefits. No increase in muscle strength or endurance at all.
I have read that antioxidants can actually increase, not decrease recovery time, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

Just wondering how your sleep has been? Sleep plays a huge roll in recovery. Iím wonderimg if something in your protocol has changed your sleep quality.

I'm actually sleeping longer at night, but I'm feeling more tired during the day, often needing to take a nap after lunch. Perhaps I should get a sleep study done.

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2018, 10:53:46 am »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

Basically, I'm taking 5-6 full days to recover from exactly the same workout that I recovered from in 3 days before TRT and vitamin/mineral supplementation. I'm disappointed that TRT has not given me any workout benefits. No increase in muscle strength or endurance at all.
I have read that antioxidants can actually increase, not decrease recovery time, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

That is a long time to be "very sore".  Do you only workout once a week and if so how hard are you going? I had trouble with sore muscle when I had very high CPK, it was polymyositis (literally felt like I got hit by a truck). I think mine was a virus but maybe your kidneys could cause a similar problem if they don't clear it fat enough.

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2018, 11:59:43 am »
I've been on TRT for 3 months now and even though my T level is near top of the reference range, I have not experienced faster recovery from workouts or an increase in muscle strength or endurance. What's been bothering me the most is severe DOMS. It is worse than before TRT. Apart from TRT, the only things I have changed is taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement (Enzymedica Enzyme Nutrition Men's multi) daily and drinking home made milk kefir daily. Could any of these things be contributing to my severe DOMS? Is there anything that can be done to reduce DOMS?

Any chance your cortisol or estradiol is low?

Excessive doms is probably inflammatory in nature .  Red tart cherry or turmeric extracts can help per several studies.  I would pull ferritin before and after if you try that
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2018, 01:06:43 pm »
What's severe to you? Can't walk? Can't get out of bed? Soreness is price of the gym...not sure what say here. You're overdoing? Overtraining? If you can't handle the gym then back off from what you're doing? More protein? Stretching? Foam roller?

Basically, I'm taking 5-6 full days to recover from exactly the same workout that I recovered from in 3 days before TRT and vitamin/mineral supplementation. I'm disappointed that TRT has not given me any workout benefits. No increase in muscle strength or endurance at all.
I have read that antioxidants can actually increase, not decrease recovery time, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

I lift 3 times a week. 60-75 mins, but intense and with not much slacking... TRT did wonders in that regard. I gained muscle weight while dropping my BF the same time. I'm barely sore the next day, but I feel it was like that before. The only time I get sore if I get 2 or more weeks off.

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2018, 09:28:54 pm »


I lift 3 times a week. 60-75 mins, but intense and with not much slacking... TRT did wonders in that regard. I gained muscle weight while dropping my BF the same time. I'm barely sore the next day, but I feel it was like that before. The only time I get sore if I get 2 or more weeks off.

Good point.  I agree with this, although I'm not sure the studies really show it.
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 08:15:58 am »
I've been on TRT for 3 months now and even though my T level is near top of the reference range, I have not experienced faster recovery from workouts or an increase in muscle strength or endurance. What's been bothering me the most is severe DOMS. It is worse than before TRT. Apart from TRT, the only things I have changed is taking a multi vitamin/mineral supplement (Enzymedica Enzyme Nutrition Men's multi) daily and drinking home made milk kefir daily. Could any of these things be contributing to my severe DOMS? Is there anything that can be done to reduce DOMS?

Are you on an AI?   If your estradiol levels are getting too low, it will kill your gains and you will always be sore.
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 05:33:05 am »
I'm not on an AI. Just 0.5g of a 100mg/ml compounded cream brought my TT level to over 700. Before TRT I was around 300.
Unfortunately, my estradiol is at the bottom of the reference range and I'm not taking an AI.
I don't know what my cortisol level is. It was about mid range before TRT.
The only other thing I'm taking is 2.5mg/day Cialis. Could that cause all the muscle pain?

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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 05:13:52 am »

The only other thing I'm taking is 2.5mg/day Cialis. Could that cause all the muscle pain?

I don't think that's a common side effect but anything is possible with a drug of course.  (Your dose is pretty small also.)  Headaches and stomach issues are pretty common.   A pharmacist can dig up that kind of info for you.
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Re: Severe DOMS... TRT or Multi vitamin to blame?
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