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DIY Story
« on: May 22, 2013, 11:49:39 am »
I have insurance but as a self employed person I pretty much have to go with the high deductible because it's so cost prohibitive otherwise.

I am not completely stupid :) some may argue that any time one attempts to self medicate is a bad idea. I can't argue that but I can say that after talking to a several general practitioners about HRT, I feel its an area where you should do your own research.

So from that I can say I've done my research. Got my blood done. Found an internet source for meds and gave it a try. After being on the 5% gel for 3 months. I got my blood work done again and have decided to hand this over to a professional.

Initially I was @400 total. Free was in the normal windows also. Low normal I think most would agree. Im 50.

After using the cream Androforte 5% for 3 months. My total was 1060 and free is 25%
I was a bit surprised but not alarmed.

What I found interesting is that somewhere in between I felt really good. Especially libdo and erections. Not as good toward the end or should I say lately. Not bad just not like I did at say 4 weeks.

So I've joined a low t program and today is my first appt. Since two weeks ago when I had my blood work done, I have began to reduce the dosage. Mainly because I wanted my last tube of the Cream to last until my appt. I can only assume that my total and or free is dropping. At this point I have no idea where it's at but I feel like I did early on. I'm horned up big time.

I'll of course ask the dr. about this today.

FYI I have found a national treatment center that is all inclusive dr. appts, blood work, Rx, etc. 199.00 a month which is in my budget. If I get 4 referrals I get a year free. Not the reason for this post but I thought I'd mention it anyway. So far everything they advertise is great.

Anyway has anyone else experienced the sweet spot at least the way it seems?
« Last Edit: May 22, 2013, 11:52:46 am by tpntx »


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Re: DIY Story
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 01:11:04 pm »
Well, I can't really encourage DIY and there's a number of reasons.  For example, when you went high on the testosterone, you could have gone too high on your RBC counts for example.  And there are other potential issues as well.  But I also know that many guys feel very pressure by a lack of treatment in some countries.  The U.K. will leave men in the 100's and 200's ng/dl with no treatment very commonly from what I've seen, for example,  and many guys have debated self-treatment.

But, anyway, let me take a guess at what I think happened to you:

1.  At 400 you experienced improvement but your testosterone was not quite high enough to get the kind of benefit that you need.  It really depends on your situation, but you have to go high enough with the testosterone to overcome issues such as venous leakage, building those pelvic muscle and inducing at night the kind of neurotransmitter releases necessary for  morning erections.  You also have to go high enough with the testosterone to build up libido sufficiently.  Some studies, as I show in my book, discovered a dose-dependent relationship between testosterone levels and libido.  So, in most men, the lower the testosterone, the lower the libido.

2.  However, when you get to the high dosage, you began to overaromatize to estradiol.  This estrogen, if in overly high quanitities, will dampen or neutralize the effects of the testosterone and this is exactly what has happened to men time and again on the injectibles such as cypionate (and enanthate).  Here on the forum, almost all the men on weekly injections are also on Arimidex for just that reason.  The HRT clinics try to bring E2 between 20 and 30 generally from what I have seen.

Now here are a couple of important side comments:

--Be very careful with the topicals around women and children.  You don't want your child going through puberty at age 8 and your wife/girlfriend singing you baritone lullabies each night.

--The topicals may have risks associated with them.  For information on that read about it here:

http://www.peaktestosterone.com/testosterone_risks (See #1.)

--The HRT clinics over here generally go with weekly cypionate injections along with Arimidex if needed (and it usually is) for many good reasons and I discuss some of those issues here:


--I highly recommend that you learn just as much about estradiol and you have tried to learn about testosterone.  Remember:  it's generally the interplay of the two that counts in many tissues and you can't just look at one without the other.  I'd scan through these links for some basic info:


These links discuss why the HRT clinics are putting men between about 20 and 30:



Hope that helps.  Let us know if you have any questions...
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Re: DIY Story
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2013, 01:11:04 pm »