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400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« on: May 30, 2013, 07:34:50 pm »
Just took my first shot nurse gave it to me.. 400mg I believe.. Pretty sure about that.. Anyway we shall see what happens..
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2013, 09:17:26 pm »
400mg on first shot is VERY VERY high.  if this is correct, and you don't notice anything from it, you might not be suffering from low T.  A dose that high has potential to really get you rev'd up man.

How many CC (ml) did they give you? And do you know if it was 100mg/CC or 200mg/CC? It will say on the vial that the pharmacy gave you.

Regarding cost, T cyp is relatively dirt cheap.  You can even buy a 10ml vial out of pocket for under $100.  At 200mg/week which is a pretty good amount for TRT you are looking at $10/shot or roughly $40/month.

If the pharmacy only gave you the 1ml vials, which is likely, the cost is somewhat higher.  But I only pay $10/month copay with BC Anthem for 4 one ml vials.
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 10:08:58 pm »
Its a 10ml val.... I paid 12 bucks for it thank god insurance came through..So on the pack it says inject 2 mls every other week.. So how much is that???

And so far I dont feel anything no rush or nothing... I got the shot around 3 eastern time.. Nurse told me with mine that low it will take 2 or 3 shots to tell anything could this be the case????

I have to have something going on with Low T my total number is low... If its not this I dont know what else is going on with me I have been tested for everything.. I do have to do some vestibular testing however..
« Last Edit: May 30, 2013, 10:11:49 pm by alienshadow »
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 10:26:07 pm »
If it is 200mg/ml cypionate (it should say on the bottle), you are dosing 400mg every 2 weeks.

That is what my doc started me on. You should cut your dosage in half and inject weekly instead of biweekly for much better results. 400mg per shot is way too much overload on your system, spikes your E2 unnecessarily high and leaves you with low T levels the last 3-4 days.

You will feel much better taking half a dose weekly.

You will need to have bloodwork after a month or two to check your T levels. 200mg/wk is a large dosage and there is a good chance you will need to lower it eventually. Hopefully your doc will be checking your E2 levels as well. There is a high likelihood your E2 levels are high... particularly with you present protocol.
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 10:29:11 pm »
I made a big mistake guys saying 400 on the bottle each shot is 200ml.. I am very sorry for saying the wrong thing all of this is new to me. I never been through this. Just glad to be off the gel it did not work and I am hoping I can tell a differance in a few days..

I mean I shouldnt expect anything today or tomorrow right? Low T of 189..
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 10:29:57 pm »
Again, you need to look at the bottle and see if you have 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml.  It should be printed right on the label.  Usually it is 200mg/ml but not always.

If it is 200mg/ml then 2ml = 400mg as you stated.

Perhaps your doctor is trying to do what is known as "front loading" that steroid users often do with some types of steroids to work around long half lives.  But T cyp half life is somewhere between 5 to 8 days which isn't all that long. With a front-loading strategy, you would get big dosages initially and then fall back to the actual TRT maintenance level of somewhere around 150mg/week.  Also, I almost forgot, one moderate risk to a dose as high as 400mg is a spike in Estradiol (E2).  You don't want this.  And if you confirm your dose was 400mg, you should mention this E2 potential spike issue to your doctor.

When I got my first shot (200mg) I felt the blastoff about 4 to 6 hours later.  My T started that day though at 310 before the shot.  If yours is really low I suppose it might take a bit longer before you feel it.  Although, on the flip side, I would think if it is really low, a big 400mg shot should be felt pretty quickly.

And of course you must remember everybody's chemistry is different and some guys feel much more from the boost than others.  If you have been terribly low for a long time, it might take a while for other systems in your body to come back to full life in order for you to realize the benefit.
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2013, 10:41:05 pm »
I stand corrected I am right on the bootle itself it says 200ml... So I did get a 400mg shot.. He will retest after 2nd shot I know that much..

I did mention E2 to nurse and she said that as low as I am right now that isnt a concern right now.. And to make sure I talk with him so he test for it when he thinks its needed.. I feel good so far being with this dr. My regular dr said I dont need treatment at all because my free was 49 urologist disagrees and so does a Dr who only does HRT therapy.. But I cant afford him at all...

Again I think it may take me another shot I dont feel anything at all... Low T 189 after 6 weeks of androgel go figure...

Also I have felt bad for 18 months I tried to get tested early on but dr asked could I get erection I said yes he said then you dont have a hormone problem.. So if it is this we are talking awhile..

Symptoms again
Blurry vision
I have an off feeling foggy type no spinning..
Something isnt right..
« Last Edit: May 30, 2013, 10:44:45 pm by alienshadow »
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2013, 10:45:22 pm »

I did mention E2 to nurse and she said that as low as I am right now that isnt a concern right now..

This does not make sense.  With the "horse dose" of testosterone that you're getting, estradiol will get aromatized to E2.  Now it does sometime take a bit to "feel" those effects of the estradiol, but I don't understand what she meatn here.
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2013, 10:48:57 pm »
What are the symptoms of E2 because I have no idea at all???????
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2013, 10:54:40 pm »
What are the symptoms of E2 because I have no idea at all???????

The symptoms of high estradiol are almost identical to low T:  depression, mood crashes, loss of libido and erectile strength, etc.  Think of excess estradiol as neutralizing your testosterone and bringing you back, effectively, to a low T state.
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2013, 10:57:27 pm »
Itchy nipples or sensitive nipples for sure.

Also, uncontrollable crying while watching chick flicks.  ;D

And a sudden fondness of cats!   ;D ;D ;D
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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2013, 10:59:16 pm »
LOL LOL LOL KEN!!!! Well to be honest guys I dont know what he will test for and when.. Right now my main concern is to get rid of this off feeling I have it has really messed me up mentally..
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2013, 10:45:33 am »
No changes yet.. I did read anywhere from 24 hrs to 72 hrs that's its not a fast thing to take place..
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2013, 10:59:18 am »
Nice that you have started the injections so quickly from when you found out the gel wasn't working for you.
It can take 4-6 weeks for it to get working.

At that dose it would be nice to inject 100mg every 3.5 days...it would help keep the E2 down.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2013, 11:49:29 am »
Thanks man I am glad to hear that it can take that long. Because hearing a few hrs just dosent add up.. Especially since I am in the low levels area.. And I cant get my dr to let me do it like that just yet. He wants to get my T boosted up then span it out I think it will be eventually weekly.. I want to do the shot myself because I do B12 injections myself but that damn 22 gauge needle aint no damn joke!
I have had symptoms since Sept 2011..
Blurry vision
Off feeling (brain fog) no spinning just off
Total T levels 185 with androgel 189 on shots now 5-30-13
Total T Level as of July 23rd.. 637
Still no E2 testing.

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Re: 400 mg of cypionate - is it too much??
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2013, 11:49:29 am »