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Not wanting TRT because of age
« on: February 13, 2019, 02:43:40 pm »
27 currently weighting 150 6í2Ē

i have tried literally everything except one thing, increasing my weight. healthy diet i used to sleep 7 hours now its declining to 6 all my hormones are a mess. 100 ish test (280 two years ago) have done a lot of labs already with same results e2 is low even growth hormone is low. i used to exercise and had energy. now i took time off from the gym and returned feeling fatigued. i canít work properly and forget things. i tried meditating but cant even focus to read books. vit d is normal. labs seems normal except hormones.

all in all im just scared af about trt and what it could happen in the future like ďwhat ifĒ my red blood cells increases and need to stop or what if something else happens and have to stop. what if i cant pay trt or something. idk if trt makes you think megative about the future but im always negative and thinking ďwhat ifĒ

im lost

in less than 1 month i literally lost all my strength in the gym. im also depressed and have ocd which i dont think trt helps with.

i needed ssri for ocd and when i mentioned about my test and ssri related he refused to gove it to me. my ocd therapist is giving up on me :/

im at the point that i dont even know if i should go to the gym
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Re: Not wanting TRT because of age
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2019, 03:04:51 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.
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Re: Not wanting TRT because of age
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2019, 03:07:31 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2019, 03:18:21 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 03:25:51 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s

im 27. wait early 20 all the way to mid 60? have trt been that long?

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 03:33:24 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s

im 27. wait early 20 all the way to mid 60? have trt been that long?
The people that are on it in there 60s only been on it for 10 years. TRT has been around for a while but I would say within the past 10 to 15 years or so itís been more widely used. Iíve encountered numerous amount of people on it. Guys in there 20s because Iím high school they took steroids and really messed up there natural production. After the age of 30 your test levels very slowly decrease.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 03:43:30 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s

im 27. wait early 20 all the way to mid 60? have trt been that long?
The people that are on it in there 60s only been on it for 10 years. TRT has been around for a while but I would say within the past 10 to 15 years or so itís been more widely used. Iíve encountered numerous amount of people on it. Guys in there 20s because Iím high school they took steroids and really messed up there natural production. After the age of 30 your test levels very slowly decrease.

i dont think im getting you. you said you know people who used them since early 20 to (now) 60ís? thats around 40 years on it? hardest part lf this game is finding a doctor lol
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 03:48:30 pm by Redrak »

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 04:13:56 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s

im 27. wait early 20 all the way to mid 60? have trt been that long?
The people that are on it in there 60s only been on it for 10 years. TRT has been around for a while but I would say within the past 10 to 15 years or so itís been more widely used. Iíve encountered numerous amount of people on it. Guys in there 20s because Iím high school they took steroids and really messed up there natural production. After the age of 30 your test levels very slowly decrease.

i dont think im getting you. you said you know people who used them since early 20 to (now) 60ís? thats around 40 years on it? hardest part lf this game is finding a doctor lol
I know people from the ages of 20s to 60s on it. Not that they started in there 20s and now are 60. I know a couple guys that are currently in the mid 20s on it, a couple that are my age, another in there 40s, another in there 50s and one guy in his 60s. They all are doing great on it.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 04:31:26 pm »
Youíll be surprised what TRT can do. I too suffer from depression/anxiety. Iím on ssri Paxil, after being on 100mg of test cyp weekly my depression has gotten a lot better, and so has my anxiety. You can take the two together, Iíve ask both my endo and psychiatrist. You build more confidence in yourself. You can control your red blood cell levels by the amount of test you take. I give blood a 3-4 times a year which helps out, plus you are helping others. If I hadnít started TRT, I would be a total mess mentally. I personally think if people who are on it and donít feel better, they may not have found the right dose and protocol. For me, 50mg shots every 3.5 days is perfect. I donít need anymore than that, otherwise my E2 and red blood cells will start to go up. Plus Iíve always lifted weights, and it gives me the right amount of drive in the gym.

this is true. how long you have been on trt? im just scared of my age
Been on TRT for about 2 years. Iím 35 years old. How old are you? I know people on TRT from early 20s all the way to mid 60s

im 27. wait early 20 all the way to mid 60? have trt been that long?
The people that are on it in there 60s only been on it for 10 years. TRT has been around for a while but I would say within the past 10 to 15 years or so itís been more widely used. Iíve encountered numerous amount of people on it. Guys in there 20s because Iím high school they took steroids and really messed up there natural production. After the age of 30 your test levels very slowly decrease.

i dont think im getting you. you said you know people who used them since early 20 to (now) 60ís? thats around 40 years on it? hardest part lf this game is finding a doctor lol
I know people from the ages of 20s to 60s on it. Not that they started in there 20s and now are 60. I know a couple guys that are currently in the mid 20s on it, a couple that are my age, another in there 40s, another in there 50s and one guy in his 60s. They all are doing great on it.

now i get you. i just dont want to regret it in the future. lol

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Re: Not wanting TRT because of age
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 05:36:07 pm »
Red I have not been following your other threads enough to remember what all you have tried. There is a ton of thing you should checkout before considering TRT. In fact at your age most docs would require most of those things be tried before they will write a scrip for some one your age.

What else have you looked into regarding your condition?

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 12:19:58 pm »
You can generally come off TRT and most guys will return to their normal level of production.  (Which in your case is pretty low).  The Red blood cell count should be managed easily by not exceeding the natural range (> 1100).  Look, there are challenges, and you can look into other options like Clomid before you jump on TRT.  Just remember, you can come off it too.  If you try it, make sure you give it 6-9 months and your numbers are dialed in.  Otherwise you wont be giving it a fair shake.
Age 51, 5'10, 155 lbs
Cholesterol 162 (HDL 59, LDL 87, Trigs 88, LDL-P 850)
Fasting Glucose 65 (down from 97 pre TRT)
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9/15/18 labs:  Total T (trough day):  598 (250 -1100 ng/dl)  Free T 73.9 (46-225) Sensitive E2: 21  Hemocrit 43.7  SHBG 34
2/20/19 labs:  Total T (mid point):  776 (250 -1100 ng/dl) Free T 115.6 (46 - 224 pg/ml) Sensitive E2 24 (<29), DHT 43 (16-79 ng), DHEA-s 244 (70-495 mcg/dl)


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Re: Not wanting TRT because of age
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2019, 04:19:09 am »
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Man you are too skinny! I Would say underweight. Are you sure are you eating enough, healthy? And good things?

i have tried literally everything except one thing, increasing my weight.

For sure you should increase your muscle mass. What exercises you do in gym?


i used to exercise and had energy.
That was the right way Everyone needs to work out.

i took time off from the gym and returned feeling fatigued.
Why you stopped??


 

im at the point that i dont even know if i should go to the gym
You said that when you trained you felt better, then you stopped and you got worse, why you don't want' to go back to gym?
« Last Edit: February 15, 2019, 04:20:57 am by Gengiskhan »

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2019, 09:27:12 am »
27 currently weighting 150 6í2Ē

Man you are too skinny! I Would say underweight. Are you sure are you eating enough, healthy? And good things?

i have tried literally everything except one thing, increasing my weight.

For sure you should increase your muscle mass. What exercises you do in gym?


i used to exercise and had energy.
That was the right way Everyone needs to work out.

i took time off from the gym and returned feeling fatigued.
Why you stopped??


 

im at the point that i dont even know if i should go to the gym
You said that when you trained you felt better, then you stopped and you got worse, why you don't want' to go back to gym?

the answer is,  i cant recover well because of sleep which has been declining. did sleep apnear loke 3 years ago and it was fine and i did it because of this. low t might be impacting my sleep

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Re: Not wanting TRT because of age
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2019, 10:48:48 am »

i cant recover well because of sleep which has been declining. did sleep apnear loke 3 years ago and it was fine and i did it because of this. low t might be impacting my sleep

Man less you train worse your sleeping issues get.

training === > need to recover ====> good quality sleep

if you can't push hard because you are tired just train with less intensity. Go to the gym and do what you can do, is always better a 20 min. workout session than nothing.

From what are you writing I can feel many troubles, maybe is the OCD, maybe is bad mental health or  just low T maybe all is linked together.....

Do you like your lifestyle? Do you love your job? Seems that low T is just one of the issues here, there may be many others...


What about your sex life? Do you have a girlfriend or do you have sex with some girls? This would help a lot for your health (both physical and mental).
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